Switching type of operation on case 580L

rrman61

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Can a valve or valves be installed to switch from backhoe to excavator control for the backhoe?or switch from 1 to 2 and Back easily?
 
couple of questions before your question can be answered, # 1 if yours has the Case foot swing control with 3 sticks that answer would be no, # 2 If it is a wobble stick, there is no valve that you switch back and forth to change functions, you will have to change 4 hose on the wobble stick control
 
I guess I don't understand the q and question. A case backhoe/loader will operate all the hyd any time. You can buy electric doublers to put on any of the valves. Generally put on the joy stick of the loader to run a clam shell bucket.
 
One type of operation the left stick controls the boom and the right stick the dipper or stinger and vice vrsa for the other type
 
so you have what they call the wobble stick ? the left stick controls the boom and swing and the right stick controls the stick and bucket ,, you want it the other way I am taking it
 
So if I understand this correctly you have two cylinders one is controlled by a left hand lever and the second controlled by a right hand lever. You want a way to swap the left and right control operations. If this is correct and if my thinking is right a pair of these hydraulic multipliers would do this. The 4 hoses, 2 for each cylinder where they currently come to the valve would have a T on them running a hose to one of the outlets of this multiplier. To clarify a hose from one side of the T would go to one valve of the pair and the hose from the other side of the T would go to the opposite valve. The current output of your machine control valve would go to the single input of the multiplier that normally connects to the tractors remote outlet like an Ag application. In your case the valves would not have to be electrically switched, you could use a cheaper manual valves and just operate two levers or knobs simultaneously to make the switch. You would kind of have an octopus of hoses. I have no idea if the example valves in the link I am showing have the needed GPM or other specs for what you are doing. I would like to see someone else agree that my proposal is workable. If it seems feasible I would contact Surplus Center in Lincoln, NE and tell them what you are doing. Have your machines flow and PSI for these functions on hand when you contact them. If it is not obvious you would not need or probably want the couplers the valves could be directly plumbed.

Edit to make clarification of some items above and also to add. One feature or attribute this type of valve has that allows it to be used for this is the fact that the out ports that NOT in use are blocked. So the hose from the T that is not carrying flow for the function or is not selected as the ..live.. side is blocked at its connection. If you are considering doing this I could draw you a diagram to show how it would connect and use different color highlighter to show the flow or live oil circuits during the two different selected functions.
Example valve


This post was edited by used red MN on 05/01/2022 at 10:24 pm.
 
You may be able to swap four hose connections on your boom. I spent much more time on backhoe controls but if I spend eight hours or so(maybe less) on excavator controls I can get used to it. I would go out in an open area and start digging for practice.
 
Thanks used red mn and all who replied .I am looking to buy a used case and have two operators with experience on different types of operation.I will post again if I buy this machine now that I know its possible to do what I want
 


There are not "backhoe vs. excavator" differences in control. You are thinking of either "ISO or John Deere vs. SAE or Caterpillar controls, or the difference between straight hydraulic or electric over hydraulic control. Some machines take major re-plumbing to change over, from ISO to SAE while others are designed to be changed fairly easily. I believe that the "backhoe vs. excavator" difference that you refer to is more likely to be the difference between straight hydraulic and electric over hydraulic. Almost all larger excavators are elec. over hydro while MOST backhoes are straight hydro. Electric over hydro is WAAAY easier to operate. Mini-excavators can be either. The price for Elec over hydro is a lot higher. Knowing which difference you are asking about would make answering your question much easier.
 

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