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We frequently get asked "how do I do it??"So simple if the book was infront of them. I wonder.. Are people too cheap they wont spend 35 dollars on a book that can save countless hours and dollars on maintenance and repairs? Do they just not know a book is available,or where to find?Or do they think they can get all the 'free' infothey want right here and not have to spend 35 dollars?Or do they just get a 'new' tractor/implement home an want to try it out? I get that. I've done the same.IMHO,If you have an implement or tractor,you need a book. That is the first thing to buy for it.Like N OLD TRACTOR MECHANIC ONCE TOLD ME "THEY WONT SPEND 5 DOLLARS FOR A RAIN CAP TO KEEP THE RAIN OUT,BUT THEY WILL DARN SURE SPEND 5000 DOLLARS TO overhaul the engine when it got rain in it." Or wont spend 35 dollars on a baler book,but will spend several hundred dollars at the dealer,or loose a hay crop to rain Seems that 35 dollar book would have been worth 10,or 100 times
it cost..Please dont get me wrong.I dont mind helping and adviseing,that's not the point.I rather enjoy helping.Makes me feel good by helping others.The point is,help yourself help yourself by buying and reading the approiate books/manuals.Yes,Ive been working on these old tractors/implements for 50+ years,even worked as a professional mechanic for a time.I pretty much have a handle on a lot of tractors/implements. However,I still read the book from time to time. If I buy a tractor/implement that is 'new' to me,I will order a book.Owners,service,parts. It always pays off in the end.I frequently learn things I didnt already know,or get reminded of things I did know,but forgot'Continueing education'?OK,rant over... :)Happy reading!

















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Most of what I have manuals are not available unless you can get someone to part with theirs. Anything I can get manuals for I have. I have gotten several from other posters here that were not available. And in many cases I haven't had time to get one yet as well. I do always go through the stacks that the manual guys have at shows looking for anything I don't have.
 
I agree 1000%. I guess we seem like the minority most times. The first thing I do after getting a piece of equipment I plan on keeping is get the manual(s) for it. I don't mind helping either, but it gets a bit old answering the same questions all the time. How much oil do I need, what's this lever for, ......................
 
I agree with your thoughts, I've been in the business of repair and service for 45 years. If I don't have a repair manual for a customer piece of equipment I buy it.

A few years ago someone on this site was asking for torque specs for an Oliver diesel that he was rebuilding. I posted a link to a manual on this site for him to buy and he reposted that he didn't need a manual he just needed the specs.

I can't for the life of me how or why someone would attempt a major on a diesel without the manual for reference or any repair for that matter.

Generally when someone ask's a question on this site that can be answered in the manual I will post a link of where to buy it.
 
Jon, you can order any book for any CASE machine you have from the dealer yet,, I can give you the form number if your dealer acts like they cant get them,, as per Steves post,, i sure do not mind helping someone for a spec or two,, that said it does rub me seriously wrong when some one wants a FREE pdf ect,,, if you cant afford to buy a book but can buy the machine,, well,,, I will stop before I hurt some ones poor feelings
 
I agree with the comments above, but I would ad that some manuals are almost useless and sometimes the person trying to read them cannot make heads or tails of the instructions. It takes a real talent and understanding of equipment to write a good instruction, unfortunately not every manual was written by such a person.
 
I'm NOT a mechanic!!

There have been times, both with tractors and autos, that I have looked inside a repair manual and couldn't figure out the zoomed-in drawing. When that happens, I have to search through the book to find a more overall view where I can see the part.

Not [i:33ecfa5c46]everyone[/i:33ecfa5c46] can point to any spot on an engine and know what it is.
That said, I pretty much always get it figured out. But I sold my John Deere 4010 long ago because I simply couldn't figure out what was wrong. I bought the only book I could find on it and asked every farmer around as well as a former John Deere mechanic and nobody -- NOBODY was very willing to help. Seems I was supposed to know this stuff naturally. But as I said, I'm not a mechanic. Can do pretty much anything else there is to do (including transmissions, wheels, electrical, but I fail when it comes to an overall engine. I certainly cannot be the only one in this huge world, so I hope you will be willing to help others in need in the future.
 
(quoted from post at 15:16:18 02/18/21) Did you ever think maybe they want to be
part of this great community?
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Yes, there are some that stay and contribute. But there are also a lot of folks that come here for free advice, never to be heard from again.
 
maybe have to put a charge on this free advice, very seldom see a thank you, or how the problem was fixed , or else a question is answered and the poster is never heard from, or probably too embarrassed . but what ever, it is what it is, at least give a thank you for free advise. and there is ones that do that.
 
I've had good success getting used original manuals on eBay. They usually have greased fingerprints and notes of number changes and names of someone with a part, which I enjoy. The explanations and photos of joe(Wa) and mEI have filled in were the books aren't clear.
 
I buy originals any time I can,, I have hundreds of them, service manuals, parts books and operator manuals,, what my point to Jon was is any thing he wants I can still get,, yes most times it is a reprint of the original but they are far better quality than one from jensales ect,, I had forgot jon told me on the phone he wants originals,, heck i have several combine ones waiting here for him next time he comes out he needs,, I also buy from auctions on fb, from paper dealers,, recently I got the entire set of parts books from a friend and fellow ex CASE dealer of 55 years, just my "paper" takes up much of my CASE room,, like 50% of it lol
 
Well, I have some manuals and have given some away. I have a Farmall M that I busted the brake seal cage on last winter. I couldn't find any information in the service manuals about how to change it. I thought I had ruined the tractor forever, and did not have the equipment, knowledge or ability to remove the deck and get into the transmission. YT guys explained how to remove the PTO shaft, slide out the axle to remove the bull gear and pull the brake seal cage. Who knew. Armed with this information I had my tractor going again in about two weeks. Someone said they get tired of answering the same old questions, I am sure that my question had been asked before. Manuals don't always help. DeltaRed (Steve) actually helped me with my predicament. Ellis
 
I provide tech support to professional Service Technicians for a living. On average, the reading comprehension level is about 5th grade. You would be surprised the number that a book does no good as they cant understand it.
 
I have books for just about everything I own but sometimes real wold knowledge is best. An example was on my 567 baler the book spec and what works were different. I learned by watching a video on net wrap systems.
 
I just bought a cheap Massey Ferguson 12 string small baler. It is different than my 430W international. I asked google for Ag manuals fast. Had it on my phone in a minute! Printed it off eventually.
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There's a ton of knowledge here that can't be found in books, if simple questions bother you then don't read those posts or reply to them. The guys on the Case forum saved me a ton of work on hydraulic pump gear replacement because they have real world experience and thats why people visit these forums.
 
RCP, at work we have a shop full of Kia/Wia Hundai CNC lathes.

These are made in Korea, super high tech,high quality maachines that are very reliable, and generally trouble free.

But every now and then something will go wrong, time to get out the books...

What a mess! Scattered information, omitted information,incorrect parts diagrams.

But the worst is trying to decipher the Korean to broken English! I just can't imagine, a multi million (billion?) dollar mega corporation, that can turn out precision, high tech ,machines, and they can't find anyone that reads and writes English to write these manuals!
 
You have so many tractors and pieces of equipment I can understand. I was tempted to buy a book on a Case four row front cultivator like I used as kid on a 350, just for old time sake. Had so much fun watching two inch tall beans pass under the floorboards at two miles an hour.
 
Never understood the reluctance to buy a manual. Some leave a lot to be desired but I run mostly Deere equipment their manuals are well written, and they even sell manuals to explain theory of operation if you don't get it from studying it. I'm in the process of putting a Powerquad back in a 6420 I did myself there's enough little things in the manuals to justify the cost of purchase let alone the labour savings of taking it to a dealer. As far as I'm concerned one of the best ROI out there.
 

I see this in other areas too. I got into to a long drawn out back and forth with a fairly well known gun writer who went to a site and asked for information on a common cartridge he was loading up for an article. It was a pretty common cartridge that had been around a good 30 years by then (7 Weatherby Mag) and he wanted info for common weight bullets. I opined that any relaoder should have at least 2 manuals on his bench with that info and that I thought a professional gun writer would have a good 20 or so like I did. He got PO'd and we went back and forth. He was just so full of it!

These days everyone wants everything RIGHT NOW!!!! without having to expend any effort at all. I can see some stuff you have to ask for help with, like appliances, that's outside most people skill set. But simple stuff out of a manual should be easy for everyone. I think there is a growing number of people who just don't know how to try anymore.
 
(quoted from post at 22:12:28 02/18/21) There's a ton of knowledge here that can't be found in books, if simple questions bother you then don't read those posts or reply to them. The guys on the Case forum saved me a ton of work on hydraulic pump gear replacement because they have real world experience and thats why people visit these forums.
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Brandon, we have the same guys, time after time, asking for a complete explanation of the intricate list of steps to take to get a project done that is plainly outlined in the manual. THAT'S the stuff we get tired of. Someone walking someone through something they've never done before or helping them troubleshoot something is different. People who refuse to buy a manual or even look at it on a free site baffle me.
 
Back in 1983 I bought a brand new Pontiac Bonneville.
In the owners manual I had the option to purchase a factory maintenance manual.
I bought it. I received a big book. It was about 9" X 12", and almost 2" thick.
A lot of information was in there, but no information for spark plugs.
I gave it to several mechanics including my father in law. My father in law was an oil field mechanic who worked on oil field engines and compressors.
I told them I would buy them a steak dinner if they could find spark plugs.
No one found it.
 
I used to get in a bit of trouble with my employer for giving out too much information over the phone or when a customer came into the shop asking questions. Original employer, not so much if it wasn't a constant thing with the same person and he did a fair amount of business with us.

New owner, whole different deal. I did a phone conversation, service manager heard me and sent the guy a bill. That went over like a lead pipe. It took two visits from the customer who got the bill to tell them what to do with the bill.

So, you see, if you walk into a shop and the mechanic won't help you out it may very well be that he is instructed, give out free information and you are out of here. I did leave but not just over that kind of crap.

As for books, old tractors fine. Newer ones like for instance a 70 series Magnum can cost you $500 dollars for a new book and that book doesn't explain how everything works. That information is in the training manuals that are not normally for sale.

I used to take the superceded sections home with me instead of destroying them so I have about a 60 or 70 percent complete Magnum and Maxium manual. But they keep changing things so even those sections are not always the latest information. But I do have the training manuals also because I went to several service training sessions. Another but, forgot most of it now though as I didn't work on enough of them to get it set in stone.
 
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