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Steve@Advance

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I'm not a hunter, never had much experience with guns so bear with me.

last week I bought a new cheap 12 gauge automatic, a Huglu, made in Turkey. Home defense style, holds 6 shells. (Pretty much had to take what they had, not much selection).

I've not fired it or loaded it yet. They sold me a box of buck shot and a box of regular shot, both are low brass shells. I questioned if they would work in an automatic, he said they would. What has been your experience? Will they work?

Also, if I go to the company deer property and shoot cactus, will I be questioned by the game warden for no hunting license or plug? How do they know what I'm doing, or do they assume I'm hunting and start writing tickets?

I was going to go shoot it this weekend but the weather is bad, maybe next week...

Thanks!
 
If you are out during hunting season on public lands, you need to have the plug in the magazine. I also believe you cannot have more than enough shells for another reload on your person.

As to the low brass, they should work. My Stoeger M3000 will eat whatever I load it with. It has never had issues with either type. I am surprised they had buckshot to sell you, that's on the hard to get list right now.
 
It's always a very good idea to test out any firearm for function before you have to depend on it. Your question about trying it out in a hunting area is interesting. Here in Oregon, if you are in a hunting area with a firearm you should have a hunting license. You should also have a firearm that does not carry more than the round limit for your state. Here it is a total of five rounds in the firearm. In your case you would need a plug in the magazine tube to limit you to four rounds in the tube.

The length of the brass really doesn't mean anything for the power of a shotgun shell. It's the dram equivalent or the velocity as listed on the box. From my experience the "high brass" shell are just a gimmick.

OTJ
 
The older recoil and gas operated semi automatics were a bit sensitive but 20 or more years ago buyers demanded and got versitity from the makers. Unless that is a antiquated design it should handle a variety of loads but the only sure way to know is to shoot it.
 
Hum ? Shoot cactus ? They could be protected and get in trouble for that alone ! IIRC in Ohio where I'm from you can't even go target shooting on days when Deer gun season is in.
We can't use buckshot either so that could get you into trouble even if you had a license and were out during Deer season.
 
As long as the shells are the right length for your gun they should work fine.

Unless you come back with more than cactus bagged I wouldn't worry about it. In Texas you don't have to have a license to shoot a gun.
 
Having lived in AZ, and CA, And Colo, and Montana, I believe you may be shooting at the wrong target. The actual answer involves two questions, one to the local natural resources bureau, the next is to your boss/land owner. You could take a friend police with you! Jim
some regulations
 
Gimmick, don't believe so. Just looked at my 20 gauge shells. High brass had 2 3/4 drams of powder. Low brass had 2 1/4 drams of powder. The drams of powder isn't shown on all boxes of shells anymore, but first number on the shell is drams of powder, second is ounces of shot and third is shot size.
 
Drams is not the powder charge. 2 3/4 drams would be 79.17 grains of powder as 1 dram is 27.34 grains of powder,and that amount surely would be an extreme over load in a 20 GA shotgun. In all the years (55+years) I have been reloading shot shells I have never seen any amount of powder listed on the shell box, that is something the manufacture keeps to themselves.
 
Guess you are not old enough (75+ here)
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But it isn't "drams", It is "Drams Equivalent" which compares the powder charge to what it would take in drams of "real" black powder, which hasn't been loaded by any mainstream manufacturer in most of a century.
 
Thanks everyone.

This is private property, with permission. Shooting cactus is just a saying for target practice, even though they do shoot them, prickley pear, a nuisance cactus, voracious breeder, I think shooting them actually spreads them!

Never heard of a game warden coming on the property, and it gets hunted regularly by the owners and very select guests. Not to say they cant or won't, just be my luck to be there at the wrong time.

I see there are several birds in season, near the end of deer season, so I would probably be better to go to the gun range, just to be legal.

Thanks again!
 
Just kind of a side-note about the shooting on public land, etc. I was deer hunting with family and friends recently and we went to a public hunting area (Kanopolis State Park) and I was surprised to see it posted with a sign which included the statement "target practice on public hunting area prohibited". Probably differs from state to state.
 
I see no amount of powder on the shell box, what Dram measurement is, is the size of the inside base. I have been reloading since 1970 and I am 78. I reload for all my rifles. My reloader for shot shells was Texan FW, which was one of the heavyst at that time. I am still an avid reloader, I have a Dillon 650 with all the bells and whistles and a RCBS 4x4 press.
Show me the amount of powder on those shell boxes. Manufactures of ammo have NEVER put the powder charge in their loads.
Even one dram of powder would over load even 12 GA 3" mag.!!! 0ne dram is 27.34 grains of powder.
 
Yeppers, I made a mistake. It is comparing the velocity of the smokeless powder to the velocity that would be obtained from black powder.
Dram refers to the powder charge of modern shotgun shells compared to the equivalent weight in black powder. 3 drams would produce the velocity of 85 grains of black powder.
I had to go back and look in some of my old shot shell reload manuals.
 
(quoted from post at 19:45:28 12/30/20) Just kind of a side-note about the shooting on public land, etc. I was deer hunting with family and friends recently and we went to a public hunting area (Kanopolis State Park) and I was surprised to see it posted with a sign which included the statement "target practice on public hunting area prohibited". Probably differs from state to state.
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I haven't looked at the statute or reg, but I think the intent of the sign is to keep target shooters out so the hunters can hunt without someone scaring off game.
 
(quoted from post at 18:13:10 12/30/20) But it isn't "drams", It is "Drams Equivalent" which compares the powder charge to what it would take in drams of "real" black powder, which hasn't been loaded by any mainstream manufacturer in most of a century.
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Yes, Dram Equivalent, a comparison of power, not weight or volume. Dram Eq is such an outdated term, I can't believe it held on for so long. Most ammo I've seen in the last several years look like they are dropping the dram eq and listing velocity instead.
 
Brass height has no influence on function. If you are not on your property you had better have a hunting license. Hunting open season varmints requires a license in most states. Even if you only went out to shoot cactus its up to the game warden to believe you.
 
Yes shoot the cactus can in fact cause more problem because it does in fact spread them and so in turn you have more not less. In MO it is illegal to have that type cactus on your land
 
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