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Still dreaming of cab tractors

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SVcummins

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And looking through catalogs checking out foam sound deadening material . I think if I downed everything I could including the roof and mount the cab on rubber and put rubber washers under every bolt that mounts the cab to the tractor and then drill holes in any square tubing and fill it with that spray foam I think one could be made pretty nice
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My first cab was on a 1977 Ford 7700 we got in 1980.

They were of the first era of ?good? cabs so I guess I was spoiled farming. :)

In general I don?t care for a cab in normal summer weather, for a planter tractor I prefer by a lot the cables tractor. Even baling I will grab the cables one despite some dust. Even snow blowing, I use my small cables loader tractor because it?s so nimble and I have the loader right there with it, and I?m always in the yard can pop in the house to warm up 5 minutes of I need to.

But a day like today, the high got to 2 I believe, well then if I had to run a tractor, I would want a cab.... and the lomg days of tillage in early spring or late fall the cab sure is nice.

Paul
 
Please do get, build or buy a good cab. I do not know you, wish I did, but a good cab will improve your quality of life later. Voice of experience. Good luck and God be with you and yours. Sorry, kind of hit a nerve, not you the situation.
 
That?s what I think Paul i put the majority of hours on when it?s cold outside either early spring or late fall when it?s really cold sometimes ten hours Is about all I can stand id like to be able to work 12 or 14 when I can go
 
I?ve been looking at a couple just trying to decide which one I want I like the one in the picture becuse it has two doors but the guy has a better one I have not seen yet
 
(quoted from post at 20:45:42 01/01/19) I?ve been looking at a couple just trying to decide which one I want I like the one in the picture becuse it has two doors but the guy has a better one I have not seen yet
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A cab would be nice in cold or hot weather. In the meantime you might look into heated clothes. I bought a battery powered vest last year and it has been great. It keeps my core warm. They also make 12 volt you could wire in your tractor. Of course that could be a problem if you still have the dual batteries 24v system on your tractors.
 
I bale with an open station tractor, I have used a cab tractor but no ac, that wasent to nice, if I could have a cab tractor with ac in our hot summers I'd like that. Only thing I can do now, been saying it for 10 years is get a canopy for my baling tractor, I found there's always a breeze under the canopy and at least shade. I have to go the the tractor salvage yard and make a deal on a used rops with a canopy they have 2 that will fit my ford.
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This is what I need, but the ones I'm looking at are steel vs fiberglass or what ever this canopy is.
 
Both tractors are converted to 12 volt so that
wouldn?t be to bad to deal with a big blower in the
cab it would be pretty nice . The combine has the
same cab and it?s not bad and during grain cutting
time it?s normally around a 105 degrees and that
combine cab sure beats eating dirt and chaff it?s not
all that loud either
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Nice! I operated a 9 ' Jd fairway mower rear wheel steer, they were based on Jd combines, I couldent make straight lines with that thing to save my life! I got demoted to mowing tees and collars, working on a golf course isent my thing, glad I'm back working with horses! lol
 
That canopy would be nice in the summer jay . John Deere had a heat houser that would go with a 4 post ROPS and then you had a cab boy that would nice
 
I have a bunch of dads old gas tractors, but I farm mostly with the TW20 with cab, the 7700 with cab and 5000 without cab, and a little loader 1720 without cab. 145, 87, 60, and 23 hp.

The two middle ones can do about the same jobs, it?s nice to pick cab or no cab, as I go from one season to the next.

Paul
 
What was really good for less trouble than a full cab was the "Weather Shield". You had to have the factory ROPs and steel canopy. This weather shield had steel frame with glass for the front window. The removable side windows. Right and left door. Two canvas side curtains like a heat houser. I never saw one with a back window or curtain but I think they made one.

I have part of one on a JD 4020. I only have the front windshield. The rest was not with the tractor when I bought it. Even just the front window helps year round in keeping stuff out of your face.

In the past several neighbor had them. I actually liked them better than the full cabs. They were less noisy. Plus cooler in the summer. There is usually a breeze under a canopy. That is why they suck in the fall/winter. Even on a sunny day they are colder.
 
We had a heat houser on this tractor back in 1990, sure miss that tractor, I wanted to by it from the farm, they wanted it for the loader, I dident want the loader, any way ended up buying there 4610,
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It will be worth the money cause otherwise it's gonna be hard to find a gal who wants to go tractor riding this time of year without a cab.
 
I like to run some open tractors in nice weather, but I don?t want to bale hay with open tractors anymore, too much dust. Most days there is too much dust, too hot , too cold , too many bugs, or too windy to be comfortable for very long on open tractors. If you are going to ride a tractor for 1,000 hours a year, you need to be comfortable and have weather protection, or you will soon be sick of working out doors. My advice would be to find a more modern tractor with a good factory cab. JD led the way with the sound guard cabs, and cabs just get better.
 
Actually case led the way with the 70 series cab in 1969 and was light years ahead of JD and everyone else. Even the sound guard with the center post was no better than anything case had of the same vintage.
 
Looks like an Allis Chalmers 7000 series cab. As far as rubber washers,you'll need some pretty good heavy ones. White mounts use rubber and thin steel,stacked on a pipe that goes over the mounting bolt. Just putting one rubber washer between the tractor and the cab mount and drawing the bolt down would wear the rubber out pretty quick I'm afraid.
 

JD tractors had option of factory cab before '69 so how did JI Case lead the way? Nebraska tests show Case 1070 dBA @ 89 which is 6.5 points higher than 4430 equipped with SGB @ 82.5.
 
The db level varied by tractor, some
quieter than others. But the sound
guard had the center post which even JD
guys admit was a mistake. And the cab
JD has before the sound guard which I
think came in 72, was no better than a
year around or cozy cab, and some say
worse. Case had the first quality,
quiet, and roll over protection cab by
several years. Case was also first with
all the controls on a side console.
 
Don't forget you need to add air conditioning. A cab will turn into a greenhouse and you will cook when the heat is 105.

It may be more of a challenge finding all the parts needed to add AC. Putting a condenser in front of Radiator may cause tractor to overheat. Finding space to add a compressor. Running lines to cab and installing the evaporator. Then do you use an expansion valve, dryer?

It would be best to find tractor with a cab, heat and AC than to reinvent one. Good luck.

My dream of a cab is just that a dream. No one put a cab with heat and AC on a 40 hp gas tractor that weighs less than 4000#.
 
A Stolper cab would fit on your 3020 or 4020.Deere used them before the Hinson.They have the roll bar in them and yep they are noisy.I have one and the heater doesn’t work anymore but it still a whole lot better than facing the weather.No air either but you can take some windows out in the summer and it’s tolerable.
 

I've owned a JD 4255 with SGB since '93 & the cab post you referred to has never bothered me PLUS it's not located in the "middle" of the SGB.
 
The Sound Gard body won an engineering and design award upon its introduction as one of the first integral designed cabs....and the same design was used up to the early 90s. It took about that long for others to offer a similar cab.
Ben
 
Yes they did, so did case starting in
67. But neither were quiet, sealed
well, well heated and cooled, or roll
over protected. I'm talking about good,
quiet, comfortable cabs. In that area
case was first by several years.
 
You are a rare guy then, because they
removed it due to years of complaints
from owners and the difficulty of
attracting converts from other brands.
 
Case came with the pod cab in 79 with the 90 series. By then they had fallen behind in some ways, mostly noise.
 
JD I am originaly from the eastern US and there were more 4 post 30 series Deere tractors than cabs sold and on many of them the owners had the factory weather enclosures for winter work. Even know of one 4640 that had one. Tom
 
The centre post was never removed from the SGB....the whole cab design was changed in the early nineties, enlarged considerably to accomadate upcoming on board equipment we see in all cabs today. Besides, on most other cabs you looked at a muffler straight ahead of you, plus corner posts off to the side. The only complaint I heard about the SGB was it's rather narrow entrance for some of us bigger guys....and there is a solution to that, lol!
Ben
 
Lay down some "HushMat" or "DynaMat" on the floor and fenders before you install the cab interior. The stuff is amazing in its sound deadening qualities. Not cheap, but amazing.
 
I agree-the cab post is in line with the air cleaner pipe and the muffler so you don't even notice it.---Tee
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I have to disagree Jon. I would rather have one John Deere SG cab over 10 Case 70 series, and I'm a Case guy. Trust me, I have spent 1000's of hours in both over 40 years. The Case 70 series cab, although a huge step up from the late Case 30 series cab, was still a step below a SG cab. In 1974 my Dad bought a new 1175 and also a 4430. No comparison.

Then I could compare the 2470 to the 8630, still no comparison.

Or the 2670 to the 8560, still no comparison.

When the new Versatile came into play, then the Case cab looked pretty good.
 
That cab Case had on the 70 series is no better than a Hinson or Year Around and they had that echo chamber until the 20 series came out--Tee
 
Check production numbers of Case and then check the numbers from Deere for that time period-I don't think Deere was too worried about Case---Tee
 
They were worried about everyone, that's why they eventually caved and eliminated that issue. If it was no issue it would still be there. Proof is in it's dissapearance.
 
But I was talking about the cab prior to the sound guard. Case came out with it in 69, I believe the sound guard was in 72. There is no question the leap frogged back and forth over quality as time passed. But no matter how much you like them, they still had the center post which was a problem. Everyone has their favorite, but I've driven both too and I disagree with the sg being that much better. At best some models tested better but both were good for their time.
 
Caved in? Deere was the leader with that cab for 23-24 years, until the 8000 series came out-the rest of the industry had a outhouse with windows and wheels and called it a factory cab tractor!---Tee

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If it's such a superior design, why is it gone? Took JD a decade to copy case and move the exhaust out of the hood too.
 
Man wouldn?t that be a dream ? Honestly though i don?t think I would want a new tractor once the warranty is up with all that emissions garbage on these new machines I?ve seen the bills to repair those and done the repair on heavy trucks and I can say no way
 
Ya I think depending how the cab is mounted it will take some design work to rubber mount it like you said make it kind of like a transmission mount with a pipe and the rubber and then bolt through it all . If it?s mounted like the 5020 cab is I think you could sandwich rubber between the axle and the ROPS and then squeeze it tight I think a lot of noise is transferred from the axle through the ROPS to cab interior
 
Do you say no 4630/40/50s were ever parted out? You should go to Larson imp in Cambridge and look at the shelves full of used parts they have from all those jd tractors that never got parted out. Lol . You crack me up sometimes.
 
(quoted from post at 11:12:09 01/02/19) they still had the center post which was a problem. .
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The post you keep referring to as being in the center of JD SGB IS NOT IN THE CENTER!!!!!!! I guess JD tractor buyers/operators weren't as obsessed with the post as you are because the SGB was utilized by JD with great success from '73-'92
 
I stand by my assessment that the proof
is in the fact that it is gone. And it
may not technically be "in the middle",
but it is close and is generally
considered a center post. But now that
I think about it, it is slightly off
center, very much like me. Lol.
 


ford came out with the SUPER Q cab in '83 and that was a Great Quiet and Cold cab at 105 degrees out. One could actually hear the radio,, very comfy. foam filled supports, triple layered lower glass, and 2 inches of rubber mat on the floor made these tractor as quiet as most all high quality cars. And a/c had to be turned down after an hour or so as it got TOO cold. These are aka as the flat tops..

While its predecessor, the "Q cab" was just ok... Came out May '76. A/C was taxed, but keep the cab at 85 when 100 plus out running full blower. And the radio, well you could hear about every 3rd word under power. This cab was close to my jd 4430 factory cab, but probably not equal. these are aka as the round tops.

Before that (1976) is was various aftermarket cabs. these are aka "tin cans".. what? I cant hear you.
 
I had an 8600 with a turbo and what I
think was a Ford cab, had those 2
bigbeams in back? Anyway, I always said
it was like the early cabs on the 930,
it they had just put the muffler inside
at least then it would be cool and
quiet outside. Lol. Liked the tractor
tho. Had a 1256 with a cozy cab like
that too.
 

Hey Jon-you better read my post a little better-I never said one word about Deeres not being in the salvage yards. There probably are a lot more than Case because Deere outsold Case-what-ten to one? Maybe you should get your eyes checked and stop commenting on stuff that is not there. Have a good day---Tee
 
I did read it, understood it too. That's why I asked if you were insinuating. Guess you need to get your eyes checked and stop commenting on stuff that's not there. This is not your first trip down the crabby road tho. Lol
 

I have one cab tractor, mostly used when baling hay.
Allergies keep me from baling with a open station tractor these days, AC is nice to have on hot days.
Most all other farm work is done with open station tractors but I'm installing buggy style umbrellas on some.


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Here is a cheap trick for sound insulation. If you know somebody who does roofing, get some ice and water shield and stick it on the sheet metal panels before the foam kit. It deadens sound by reducing the ability of the metal to vibrate. It has very sticky glue on it but you would still need to clean the surface up first.
 
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