Tier 5?

Geo-TH,In · Sep 21, 2018

I was reading where Europe is still heading for Stage 5 standards soon.

Stage V. The regulation was proposed in 2014 [3125] and finalized on
September 14, 2016 [3478] (detailed technical requirements will be defined in
the implementing legislation expected in 2017). The standards are effective
from 2019 for engines below 56 kW and above 130 kW, and from 2020 for engines
of 56-130 kW. The Stage V regulation introduced a number of important
changes, including:
Widening of the scope of regulated engines including compression ignition
(CI) engines below 19 kW and above 560 kW, spark ignited (SI) engines above
19 kW, and other previously unregulated engines. Under the Stage V
regulation, emissions are regulated from the following engine categories:

Has anyone heard what will happen to compact tractors in the US? Will they be
tier 5 (stage 5) compliant ?
link to Eu stage 5

Mutt and Jeff · Sep 21, 2018

I do not believe any of these "yesterdays tractors" will fall into this category.

Geo-TH,In · Sep 21, 2018

Don't get upset. You are right, Tier 5 if only for new tractors.

Mike M · Sep 21, 2018

I'm sort of surprised a gas compact has not been produced ? Here at work they have been bringing out several gas versions of chippers and stump grinders in the 40 to 100 hp range. It was just going to be too costly to get a compliant diesel I guess ?
The one we made with a Kubota diesel their gas engine dropped right in. That is why I'm really surprised Kubota doesn't offer gas as a tractor option ? Maybe it is coming soon ?

Dean · Sep 21, 2018

Stay tuned, Mike.

Bureaucrats are destroying the diesel engine market. Manufacturers will respond accordingly. One such response will be gasoline engines for some markets.

Of course, bureaucrats jobs are never done, so as soon as gasoline powered tractors start to sell well, the bureaucrats will attack.

Dean

Dean · Sep 21, 2018

I know nothing of Tier V, but, of course, there will be a Tier V, Tier, VI, Tier VII, ad nauseum.

A bureaucrats work is never done. Bureaucrats must always conjure up sky is falling issues to justify their existence.

When was the last time a government agency decided that their work was finished and it was time to disband?

Dean

1948CaseVAI · Sep 21, 2018

I am sure sorry we sacrificed so many good men and so many resources to save Europe from itself twice in the last century. Good grief there is no intelligent life there now, for sure. I pray for huge failure for them.

pms · Sep 21, 2018

Bravo Dean.

Bruce from Can. · Sep 21, 2018

I have a new tractor that needs DEF, so far it has been no trouble to me, but I know the tractor cost more because of it when I bought it. The salesman at Kubota suggested to me that all Zero turn lawn mowers will be gas only, as the emissions equipment to meet the new standards, would send the cost into the stratosphere. Where will it end ?

ss55 · Sep 21, 2018

People like clean air and people like clean water. I don't expect that trend will ever go away.

DLMKA · Sep 21, 2018

It's not Tier V, it's euro stage V which is roughly equivalent to US EPA Tier IV. Stage V adds in requirements to meet NOx and PM in engines under 25.5 hp and over 750hp. Nothing new here, you can put your pitchforks and tar buckets away.

Gary Mitchell · Sep 21, 2018

ss55, I don't expect our grand children will need clean air and pure water any less than we will either. It chaps my rear end to think that the crooks pumping unknown chemicals into the ground,(and under-ground water), to "frack" out more oil, will probably be the same ones getting fatter from selling our descendants the only water left that's fit to drink. gm

paul · Sep 21, 2018

Well, people like clean air and clean water when they can force others to pay for it.

When they are affected, then suddenly the issue is entirely different......

Most folk only have a car or two to worry about, and so don?t see or care what it costs to get that last few percent of change from an internal combustion engine. Once their lawn mower has a cat converter and starts everything on fire and costs double, it will be too late for them to realize what happened....

Moving up to tier 2 did a lot of good.

Tier 3 is questionable, as it made everything so much less efficient I?m not sure what we gained. There is a bit cleaner air coming out the exhaust, but we are burning a lot more fuel and so what was gained for sure?

Going past 3 seems to be negligible gains for the cost, looking at the big picture of resources used, efficiencies, and so on.

But, as you say, it sounds good in the paper and someone else has to pay for it so let?s do more! Bring on tier 6 because more is better it doesn?t affect me!

Paul

ss55 · Sep 21, 2018

Paul, I think you have it backwards, people don't care much about how or what they pollute as long as it becomes someone else's problem. It's only when they have to pay to cleanup the mess they've created that they start to think about changing anything. It's easier and far less expensive to prevent pollution than to clean it up after the fact. Why shouldn't the guys doing the polluting be the ones who pay for the prevention or the clean up? The guys creating the pollution are the only ones making money from it.

paul · Sep 21, 2018

We are probably both saying about the same thing.

Glass half full or half empty?

If we want cheap food or cheap transportation who is ?the guy doing the polluting? the farmer and oilman, or the consumer eating and getting on the bus?

Perhaps you only think the farmer and oilman is supposed to pay, and if things start costing too much then we can just import from China and really show those aweful polluting farmers and oilmen! Ha showed them and now we don?t pollute at all!

Or perhaps we all should pay some equally, and perhaps instead of getting so focused on zero emissions by some segments, we work on an equal, across the board, lowering the emmissions that are easiest to get and realize everything has limits, including emissions regulations.

I?m not sure how to read your comments, really, could be taken many ways....

Paul

in-too-deep · Sep 21, 2018

I wonder how China, Russia, India, and South and Central America and all the other developing parts of the world are coming on their emissions reduction. I bet they're just pouring money into R&D and developing plenty of rosy regulations. Oh, and those volcanoes. They got a particulate filter and Nox reducer on the top before they blew, right?

SVcummins · Sep 21, 2018

You?ve been watching way to much cnn.

SVcummins · Sep 21, 2018

Until you quit driving a car and quit using electricity and quit eating you are the reason the crooks are destroying the world 🌎

ss55 · Sep 21, 2018

What are you guys suggesting, that the tax payers should shoulder all the cost at no expense to the guys profiting from pollution? That is no incentive to clean things up.

4play · Sep 21, 2018

When someone finally figures out how to make engines run on unicorn farts or pixie dust, we will continue to see them get choked down more with emissions devices.

The problem is they eventually want pure clean air emitted from engines and nothing is 100% efficient, not even the emissions devices. At some point it needs to stop or maintain a compromise.

Geo-TH,In · Sep 21, 2018

Would you be happier if Hitler had won the war?

FYI. The World Health Organization is the driving force behind many things, emission is just one. WHO has been around as long as the United Nations, because WHO is part of the UN.

So you can't really blame just one country.

SVcummins · Sep 21, 2018

Exactly

Bob Harvey · Sep 21, 2018

Well said, BUT, didn't some yabbo just rescind the rules about meeting the mileage rules that were to come into effect in 2020 - from a now mandated 37 mpg to 50 mpg, with the reasoning that lives would be saved because people would drive less at 37 mpg than 50 mpg - a dolt.

SVcummins · Sep 21, 2018

Not necessarily the gobernint is buying old semi tractors chopping the frame and destroying the engines and paying for companies to buy new emissions laden junk

SVcummins · Sep 21, 2018

I drive less when fuel is 4.00$ than when it?s 2.00$ . If some idiot on cnn said that you would think it was the smartes idea ever

Steamboat · Sep 21, 2018

The only nations who have not signed the Paris Climate Accord are Syria, Nicaragua, and now the United States.

jimg.allentown · Sep 21, 2018

Better look again. I recently bought one of those power units with the interchangeable attachments. In reading over the literature that came with it, I see mention of a catalytic muffler that should be replaced at some interval.
Yes, a catalytic converter on a string trimmer! I can only guess that they have them on mowers as well.

Bob Harvey · Sep 21, 2018

Nope, potus = dolt

Gary Mitchell · Sep 22, 2018

Well SV, we're working on them best we can with our solar array and 40 mpg car. gm

bison · Sep 22, 2018

(quoted from post at 07:00:20 09/21/18)
I am sure sorry we sacrificed so many good men and so many resources to save Europe from itself twice in the last century. Good grief there is no intelligent life there now, for sure. I pray for huge failure for them.

f Ya think it is any better in the US then you better think again.

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