Gasoline question

rrman61

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It is greed or is there another reason non ethanol gas is 20 to 50 cents more than 10% ethanol gas?
 
Ethanol blend fuel simply costs less to make so it is cheaper then 100% gasoline
 
old is correct, the octain needed for even regular gas requires more distillation and blending effort when there is no ethanol in it. Jim
 
The only place I've seen non ethanol gas is at a marina in Florida. It's almost a buck more a gallon.

Because of the high humidity, people in Florida won't use E10 in their boats. They buy from a marina.
 
We live close to Mark Twain Lake. In Perry, MO premium is about 25 cents higher than regular. There are two places to get it, has NO ETHANOL, either at the Junction station or at MFA. DOUG
 
Ethanol is still heavily subsidized through a complex tax scheme.

https://www.thoughtco.com/understanding-the-ethanol-subsidy-3321701
 
(quoted from post at 14:28:18 09/17/18) The only place I've seen non ethanol gas is at a marina in Florida. It's almost a buck more a gallon.

Because of the high humidity, people in Florida won't use E10 in their boats. They buy from a marina.

Ethanol-free gas is quite common here. Lots of conveniences stores have a pump for it. It runs 10 to 20 cents higher which seems a good value.
 
They call it "recreational fuel" here in my part of Ohio and it will cost you about a dollar a gallon more !
 
what old said 10% ethanol is added to subgrade gas to bring octane up to 85 it is cheaper to pull subgrade out of the cracking tower then continue to refine it , also like has been said there is a tax and subsidy benefit
 
Agree, ethanol at the plant where it is distilled is selling for 1.28 per gallon in bulk shipment. Regular gas here is 2.79 gallon. Adding 10% ethanol costing 1.28/gal to pure gasoline costing 2.79 should lower the retail price of E-10 blended gas. For every 10 gallon E-10 you buy you get nine gallons of pure gasoline plus 1 gallon ethanol.
 
The gas we have today smells nothing like it did back in d driving/riding. I liked the smell back then but hate the smell of it now
 
I'm not aware of any place in Terre Haute selling non ethanol fuel. I think the EPA requires we have blended fuels only.
 
Is there some sort of problem with the air that the EPA requires only blended fuels in TH? Seems like every other station here sells non ethanol.
 
EPA does NOT require any such thing.
Ethanol blended fuels are the result of RFS2007 that requires that a specified percentage of our fuels come from renewable sources. That brought on the big pus for E85 and Biodiesel fuels. Subsidies for ethanol production were part of the big scheme. Due to the fact that E85 was not widely accepted, there was large surpluses of ethanol being produced. It was then blended into gasoline to raise the octane ratings of substandard gasoline.
Personally, I don't like it being forced upon us, which is in effect being done just by the limited availability of non-ethanol fuels.
 
Most every station in my area has gas with and with out ethanol. Right now it is $2.499 for ethanol blend and $2.899 for gas with out it
 
(quoted from post at 13:13:14 09/17/18) I'm not aware of any place in Terre Haute selling non ethanol fuel. I think the EPA requires we have blended fuels only.

Probably no market for it. Closest is in Riley or Shelburn.

https://www.pure-gas.org/extensions/map.jsp?statecode=IN

Call first.
 
(quoted from post at 15:28:18 09/17/18) The only place I've seen non ethanol gas is at a marina in Florida. It's almost a buck more a gallon.

Because of the high humidity, people in Florida won't use E10 in their boats. They buy from a marina.

The only people in Florida that buy gas at a marina are those that have no other way to re-fuel.
Anything on a trailer gets their gas at many stations that carry 100%.
Usually around 50 cents more per gallon.
And many also burn 10% if they are going to consume all of it in a short period of time.
 
John,
My internet is down. I'm using my phone. Google EPA ethanol. In 1977 EPA clean air act. There are some exemptions, but Terre haute isn't one of the exemptions. Ethanol is suppose to help clean up emissions.
 
Only a couple of stations now have started handling non ethanol and it is way higher in price than the top grade premium and at least a buck a gallon over regular. And yesterday I paid $2.479 a gallon for regular at cheapest station around.
 
That's funny, we used to add HEET when we had water/ice in our gas in MN! Heet is methanol alcohol in the yellow bottle and isopropyl in the red bottle. I haven't bought any heet since they started putting ethanol in the gas, and the 2 bottles I had evaporated out of the closed container. I always use E10 in our boat, it's a 4-stroke Honda, 17 years and no fuel related problems.
 
Do you live in Florida where they have high humidity?

BIL has a 150 hp honda 4 stroke on lake Eustis Leesburg, Fl. He will only use non ethanol gas from Marina.
 
We have some very high humidity in MN! I don't think ethanol causes any problems in a humid environment, if anything it allows the condensation to mix with the gas and go through the system.
 
I been using E15 in everything for about a year now, chain saws, old tractors, mowers. Humidity is usually between 75 and 90% during the summer months. Tanks are kept clean, Pre Vent caps on all tanks, gas tanks painted white, diesel painted red with Pre Vent cap on it. Never had a problem, every thing starts and runs great. I would never even consider going back to reg gas.
 
No ethanol free fuel in Abilene, Texas area. Most or our fuel comes by pipe from Alon Refinery in Big Spring, Texas.
 
Supply and demand. Ethanol-free gas is a niche product, and for a store to sell it they have to install another pump and tank. Most stations don't want to shoulder that additional expense, so those stations that do can charge a premium rate to those buyers willing to pay it. No different, really, than stations that carry "racing fuel".
 
(quoted from post at 03:17:35 09/18/18) No ethanol free fuel in Abilene, Texas area. Most or our fuel comes by pipe from Alon Refinery in Big Spring, Texas.

And to think....everything coming out of the pipeline is pure gasoline.
Ethanol is trucked in and added to the gasoline to make it ethanoled gas.
 
(quoted from post at 07:15:29 09/18/18) Supply and demand. Ethanol-free gas is a niche product, and for a store to sell it they have to install another pump and tank. Most stations don't want to shoulder that additional expense, so those stations that do can charge a premium rate to those buyers willing to pay it. No different, really, than stations that carry "racing fuel".

We have a Pure brand station here that even sells Sunoco brand 110 octane, [u:d068296700]leaded[/u:d068296700] racing fuel. It is only about $3 per gallon more than the 87 octane 10%.
 
(quoted from post at 21:52:47 09/17/18) Do you live in Florida where they have high humidity?

BIL has a 150 hp honda 4 stroke on lake Eustis Leesburg, Fl. He will only use non ethanol gas from Marina.

Yes Geo-TH, In, I do and 5 miles from the gulf directly west of your BIL.
In fact, him being in the middle of the state, the humidity is likely less on average than here.

The problem with boats and ethanol is the time it sits in the ventilated tank. Burn it off in a weeks time your okay.
Or do like me and seal the vent(s) until the next time you go out.
 
There is no federal ethanol subsidy. I read the link posted earlier and the author of that article is at best, ignorant, and more likely, a liar.
 
(quoted from post at 18:55:10 09/17/18) It is greed or is there another reason non ethanol gas is 20 to 50 cents more than 10% ethanol gas?

Around us the only non-ethanol gas available is racing gas... at $6.99 / gallon. I'll stick with the 10% stuff, never caused me a problem.
 

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