303 Ban

Billy Shafer · Aug 16, 2018

First let me say I know nothing to very little about the stuff. So I ask my brother who is the manager of the local feed store. Been there since 1998. I also asked ten local farmers. They all use the stuff. They all agree this is nothing more. Than a group trying to get rid of a cheaper product. So they can sell a more expensive one to make more money. Nothing but a money grab.

They have used 303 for years with no problems. Another ban for nothing I think.

old · Aug 16, 2018

The local farm and home store Orscheln's has a replacement oil that comes In a yellow and green bucket and sells for around $27 but if on sale for around $20. Pretty much looks the same and smells the same and not much higher then the 303 fluid was

Dean · Aug 16, 2018

Anyone can use whatever they like in their own equipment and should do so.

I do not and will not use the cheap 303 stuff in any of mine.

Dean

JD Seller · Aug 16, 2018

Billy the oil that was banned was not around more than several years. It says right on it that it should not be used in a lot of equipment. So your polling group may very well have used 303 oil but not the oil being banned. The banned oil has failed testing for how it is rated.

Billy Shafer · Aug 16, 2018

Thanks JD as I said I know nothing about it. I am not a farmer. It just didn't make sense to. I saw nothing on a container of it that looked bad. All the farmers I talked to are older guys. Been around for years so I feel I can trust what they say. As one of them said. The government is always wanting to ban something. Money talks.

Traditional Farmer · Aug 17, 2018

X2, Cheap oil and grease usually ends up being the most expensive.

Moonlite37 · Aug 17, 2018

Are you sure "banned" is the word to use? Perhaps obsolete would be a better word. If it becomes banned, I shall hide mine in the belly pump of my Farmall M

Stephen Newell · Aug 17, 2018

The ban is just for retailers in a couple states. They can no longer sell it in their stores. You would be fine going to another state and buying all you want for your own use.

rustyfarmall · Aug 17, 2018

Just my opinion, but I think "303" is a trade-marked John Deere thing. Mother Deere intervened and made them stop using that name, or start paying royaltys.

sotxbill · Aug 17, 2018

(quoted from post at 21:23:09 08/16/18) First let me say I know nothing to very little about the stuff. So I ask my brother who is the manager of the local feed store. Been there since 1998. I also asked ten local farmers. They all use the stuff. They all agree this is nothing more. Than a group trying to get rid of a cheaper product. So they can sell a more expensive one to make more money. Nothing but a money grab.

They have used 303 for years with no problems. Another ban for nothing I think.

Removed in some states due to the fair labeling law. 303 was a jd spec that replaced type A (20wt) crudely distilled hydraulic fluid. It called for sperm whale oil (better viscosity properties) which was banned in a international treaty around 1978. You can not sell whale oil, and you cannot sell the substitute product under the law as it does NOT contain whale oil. The substitute oil contains a newer mineral base oil refined and additives to exceed the properties of the sperm whale oil. So they are having to pull it and re-label it, to meet the fair labeling act.

SO>. .you cant sale whale oil and you cant sell under the 303 spec that calls for whale oil.

buickanddeere · Aug 17, 2018

(quoted from post at 00:13:10 08/17/18) Thanks JD as I said I know nothing about it. I am not a farmer. It just didn't make sense to. I saw nothing on a container of it that looked bad. All the farmers I talked to are older guys. Been around for years so I feel I can trust what they say. As one of them said. The government is always wanting to ban something. Money talks.

Oh boo hoo. An conspiracy theory that Goverment and industry are all set to suppress dangerous people like you.
As previously stated the problem is trademark and cheapskates using substandard 303 in later equipment that require Hy-Gard.

Billy Shafer · Aug 17, 2018

No need to jump me. I was just asking a question. I am not a farmer don't have any equipment. Will never have any. Just trying to
learn. But yes I do think money talks in many ways.

1948jr · Aug 17, 2018

it says on the bucket not for use in 1974 and newer tractors

DoubleO7 · Aug 17, 2018

Unless you have insider info, all reasons and theories posted in this thread could be the reason for the ban.

Us peons will never know.

dhermesc · Aug 17, 2018

303 works in instances where basic 20w nondetergent oil would be used as hydraulic fluid. We use it in the hydraulic systems of our Takeuchi skid steers and change it every two years - some of them have over 10,000 hours on them without a hydraulic failure. I would never use it in place of a hytran spec.

rustyfarmall · Aug 17, 2018

(quoted from post at 06:59:49 08/17/18)

(quoted from post at 21:23:09 08/16/18) First let me say I know nothing to very little about the stuff. So I ask my brother who is the manager of the local feed store. Been there since 1998. I also asked ten local farmers. They all use the stuff. They all agree this is nothing more. Than a group trying to get rid of a cheaper product. So they can sell a more expensive one to make more money. Nothing but a money grab.

They have used 303 for years with no problems. Another ban for nothing I think.

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Removed in some states due to the fair labeling law. 303 was a jd spec that replaced type A (20wt) crudely distilled hydraulic fluid. It called for sperm whale oil (better viscosity properties) which was banned in a international treaty around 1978. You can not sell whale oil, and you cannot sell the substitute product under the law as it does NOT contain whale oil. The substitute oil contains a newer mineral base oil refined and additives to exceed the properties of the sperm whale oil. So they are having to pull it and re-label it, to meet the fair labeling act.

SO>. .you cant sale whale oil and you cant sell under the 303 spec that calls for whale oil.

THAT makes perfect sense.

BarnyardEngineering · Aug 17, 2018

Everything is automatically a conspiracy to grab money. If you didn't have the money grabbing corporations manipulating the government to rage about, you'd have no reason to get out of bed in the morning.

Destroked 450 · Aug 17, 2018

(quoted from post at 08:59:49 08/17/18)

(quoted from post at 21:23:09 08/16/18) First let me say I know nothing to very little about the stuff. So I ask my brother who is the manager of the local feed store. Been there since 1998. I also asked ten local farmers. They all use the stuff. They all agree this is nothing more. Than a group trying to get rid of a cheaper product. So they can sell a more expensive one to make more money. Nothing but a money grab.

They have used 303 for years with no problems. Another ban for nothing I think.

Click to expand...

Removed in some states due to the fair labeling law. 303 was a jd spec that replaced type A (20wt) crudely distilled hydraulic fluid. It called for sperm whale oil (better viscosity properties) which was banned in a international treaty around 1978. You can not sell whale oil, and you cannot sell the substitute product under the law as it does NOT contain whale oil. The substitute oil contains a newer mineral base oil refined and additives to exceed the properties of the sperm whale oil. So they are having to pull it and re-label it, to meet the fair labeling act.

SO>. .you cant sale whale oil and you cant sell under the 303 spec that calls for whale oil.

Best answer I've heard yet and one that makes the most since.
I've used 303 in my older equipment for years with no noticeable effects.
It says on the bucket not to use it in newer equipment and I don't.

I am slowing changing everything over to the supposedly higher grade hyd oil just for commonality, another $10 per bucket is cheap insurance.

DoubleO7 · Aug 17, 2018

Removed in some states due to the fair labeling law. 303 was a jd spec that replaced type A (20wt) crudely distilled hydraulic fluid. It called for sperm whale oil (better viscosity properties) which was banned in a international treaty around 1978. You can not sell whale oil, and you cannot sell the substitute product under the law as it does NOT contain whale oil. The substitute oil contains a newer mineral base oil refined and additives to exceed the properties of the sperm whale oil. So they are having to pull it and re-label it, to meet the fair labeling act.

SO>. .you cant sale whale oil and you cant sell under the 303 spec that calls for whale oil.

Interesting.............you should contact these guys as they claim the spec is unknown.
Since you know what the spec is, you could be a hero to the industry and sell what you know for millions.

Quoted: "The John Deere (JD) 303 designation is 57 years old and has been obsolete for 43 years. In addition, there are no specifications available for 303 THF, and as such products making only “303” claims cannot be tested to assure compliance with any known specifications. Because of this, in the interest of protecting consumers, the State of Missouri ordered that “303” THF cannot be sold in the state."

From:
https://pqiablog.com/2017/11/20/missouri-orders-303-tractor-hydraulic-fluids-out-of-the-state/

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