Roundup and GMO's/Anti farm media blitz.

oldtanker

Well-known Member
Flame suit is on guys, this is just what I see unfolding. I also posted this over on that red tractor site.

Thing is guys is the folks against this stuff are winning the media blitz. While the farmer is on here and other tractor and farms sites they are on youtube, twitter and facebook making a case against this stuff. Trying to pass the blame on to homeowners and cities has failed. Monsanto and the farmer has lost the media blitz. You can get on here and whine all you want. Here is not where you have to convince people. And face it. The chemical companies at best have a criminal background when it comes down to safety and profit. Doesn't matter if it's safe or not. What the people see (the people being the average tax paying city dweller) is a guy, called a farmer, trying to make a profit like any other business that cares little for product safety and only about profit. It's you guys actually farming today who have to fix that image. Now consider that the folks doing organic or sustainable farming has been the subject of your ridicule for decades.......they are riding the wave! Promising a so called safe alternative to you uncaring, money grubbing killers! (And that's how they see you)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look back. Where average joe citizen started to question the farmer was during the 80's farm crisis. The news media, with glee mind you, reported on the farm tractor drive to DC that only the rich farmers were able to afford to participate and the value of each tractor that the cam crews managed to get good video of. That means considering the speed of those tractors only the most expensive ones. So the news media, who were against the old farm subsidies got farmers good. They won that round. They got what they wanted and the masses considered them heroes. Until you guys can work together as one you will fail to overcome the media.

Just my opinion.



Rick
 
Farmers don?t have a fighting chance mostly
because the mainstream news media paints the
farmer as the anti christ and then you get guys like
traditional farmer saying oh your eating roundup oh
organic food is the only way . Who are people going
to believe ? A farmer no . They?ll listen to some
crack head that has no idea what they are talking
about has never worked a day on a farm but they
read a study on the internet that all food is going to
kill us unless it?s organic . And then they won?t tell
you the USA has the cheapest food of anywhere on
the planet but then they cry about farm subsidizes
 
Can't argue with you.

Look up 'Buffalo Commons' and those of us in flyover land have been deemed worth less than a herd of buffalo for some time.

Some small but relentless groups won't be happy until all of our food is imported from South America and other regions.

I used to voice my opinion in small and quiet and informative ways when I got among the city folk as good opportunity presented itself, but I find
myself less and less and less in the city, prefer my quiet farm.

Many years ago college age I went to a friends party in the big city, smart engineer types, one couple flew in from the really really big central
USA city, when we were all introduced they say wow, we never met a farmer before! Was a 15 minute period I felt like a zoo exhibit, was
interesting.

Paul
 
Maybe the cheapest food anywhere on the planet, but Americans are some of the fattest,most unhealthy people on the planet. Maybe because of what we eat? It's odd that we can bake bread with 6 ingredients but a loaf of bread at Walmart has 30+ ??? I don't think Roundup alone is the problem. Another example, dairy Queen " ice cream". That's a joke more chemicals than milk. What's homemade got 2-4 ingredients. Cheap food is killin' us. By the way, I use round up on my driveway and my fence lines. But not in the garden. I'm sitting firmly on the fence. Lol.
 
Yes you can bake bread with 6 ingredients, but see if you can bake 10.000 a day that way, AND have them not turn green in 2-3 days sitting on the buyers shelf in their house.
 
I've been a farmer a lot longer than you have that's for sure and I've seen crops grown successfully when I was young that you say is now impossible to do.Go figure.Anyway I'm just the messenger on this deal as apparently most farm folks have no idea how out of touch they are with a huge segment of Americans consumers and calling them crackheads ain't going to help your cause that's for sure.
 
As a former tobacco grower I see similarities to the attack on tobacco
products years ago. Activist attorneys see this as an opportunity for a big
money grab. As bad as tobacco was said to be, it is still a legal product.
 
There you are. If the bread turned green after 3 days the evil farmer and bread manufacturer would be accused of trying to rip poor people off.

The biggest medical issue of America's poor is obesity - and it keeps getting worse.
 
I could care less what happens to Monsanto. I use
their products but I can also live without them. They
are about as greedy and controlling of an
opperation as you can find. When RR corn first
came out here the sales people said let the weeds
take over than hit it with roundup. That philosophy
soon went to the wayside because of yield loss.
Then it was recommended to either spray twice or
mix other products with it and spray early. That's
expensive. So I asked if I can get conventional corn
and use a pre-emerge spray. The salesman said I
can use the more expensive spray but I still have to
pay for RR corn because that's all that's available
now. Talk about having a monolopy.
 
In the 60s and 70s society got the idea foodshould be fast and convieient and store forever, and we humans are attracted to sugar and fat and salt.

And so, that is what the food processors made to sell, because that is what people wanted, bought.

Then in the 70s and 80s people wanted cheap food, so they could spend money on the toys and extras and luxuries of life.

And so processors took the fast foods, and found ways to make then cheaper, but still salty, fatty, and sugary.

Then in the 90s folks said, hey, wait a minute, we are all getting fat and sick, we need healthy food! And the food processors gulped, looked around, and said, uh, uh, oh it's the farmers fault, thry make poor grain, but if you buy this extra high priced organic stuff we get from South America where they promise it's all organic, then it will be good for you!

And that is the path affluent folk have followed. The food processors have the ad budget, and control enough of the market, and are used to manipulating the markets. They have channeled poor people into buying the highly processed bad stuff from Walmart, and the affluent people into paying crazy stupid prices for the same stuff labeled organic, and made USA farmers out to be the boogeyman. It fits their needs and marketing plans, to keep ahold of the different marketplace.

Common folk have become unfamiliar with farming and farming terms. It's easy to make the farmer the bad guy.

Really, the problem is we need to eat less processed, better, Whole Foods. And many common folk are trying to do that, and good for them.

It is unfortunate they are being misled by both the big advertising food giants, as well as the over zeulios small organic folk like Traditonal Farmer exemplifies.

If you take good wholesome grains and meats that and common farm in the USA grows, and fix it right, it is the best wholesome food in the world.

It's the processors that have mucked it up, but they did so because decades ago folks demanded cheap fast easy foods. So where does one start with the blame? Obviously, it is only evil farmers of the USA that are the root of all evil.

The back to organic movement is understandable, and frankly a good thing consumers are trying. It is unfortunate that the trend is being all messed up and controlled by a few out to line their pockets by misleading folks who want better, but just don't know what questions to even as and don't understand the answers.

The gallows humor of it all is that among the many good and positive organic growers that are out there, the vocal ones are exemplified by Traditional Farmer, who is using the very same tactics as Monsanto and General Foods and the rest who use misdirection and empty content to mislead common consumers.

There are a lot of good organic growers, they work hard at their farms and do good things. I always hate these discussions, because they are the ones that get thrown under the bus.

Paul
 
I commented on the perception of farmers by city slickers from my cross country train trip last year. They are convinced we are poisoning them and they hate us with a passion. I was also convinced that rational discussion on the subject was not possible and was a complete waste of time. I could say a lot more about this, but it would just get me banned. All I will say is don't waste your time trying to convince them you are the good guys. Just make your money for yourself and your family and forget about the perception of farmers by city slickers. Don't waste your time on noble sentiments like "we produce the cheapest and safest food on the planet" either. It's falling on deaf ears and the only ones listening (or believing it)is us.

That cross country trip was a real eye-opener.
 
It?s not impossible just lower yields and more weeds . Liking organic does not make you a crackhead but the stupid talking head on tv you love so much is . I?ve seen and harvested field after field of organic crops grown buy many different farmers and the result is always Lower yield and poorer quality. It?s easy to run an organic beef operation . I do but I will doctor a sick animal or spray weeds I?m not just going to let my place fall to crap because some uneducated idiot thinks it?s unsafe. I sprayed weeds for the first time in 30 years on my pasture and I haven?t had to doctor a sick calf in over ten years oh but your eating roundup and vaccines If you eat mine . And in now a farmer feeds 155 people in 1930 he fed 4 . Oh but your unicorn poop yields just as high
 
And I really don?t give a rats *** what you or any other libtard mainstream news media lover thinks of me or what I produce . go hungry or grow your own and see how fun It is to watch the weeds take your crop over and your animals that you spent years into raising and working all day and night making hay for and fixing fence and fixing water for die because you can?t doctor them or use nnalert because the news media says you are a bed person and don?t care about anything but profit if you do
 
There are corn associations, soybean associations, pork associations,cattle associations,cotton associations, hay associations, milk associations any ag commodity produced on the farm you can think off all working to promote their product. All working at local regional and national levels to push a positive image of agriculture and the products they produce. Even farm bureau's do this. This is being done on the basis of representing large groups of farm interests, so this is already being done on TV, newspapers, farm magazines, newsletters, major internet available ag news programs seen by millions each week.
 
I worked for a major chemical manufacturer for 27 years. I disagree that all manufacturers put profit
over safety. This is the type of sensationalism that the fake news agencies push.
In fact if any thing most are probably overboard with safety concerns because of the great potential for accidents.
 
[i:654c4848f0]I've seen crops grown successfully when I was young that you say is now impossible to do[/i:654c4848f0]

I've cr*pped in an outhouse before. Sure, we "could" go back to that, but why? I wouldn't want to tell you where to do your business (!), but those of us that enjoy porcelain and running water shouldn't be forced to go back just because you don't like it.
 
Your wife bakes that bread and it is eaten within a day or so. My Grand mother did the very same thing. My mother did that too. Now how many mothers under 40 years old are going to bake bread every other day year round?????

How many families are going to cook good food??? The majority want quick and easy. Then high in calories as it tastes better. More salt because we crave it too. You make a good healthy product with a few natural ingredients that has shelf life of 2-3 days and you going to go broke selling because of the waste.

The fat people is some diet but even more so it is exercise. We do not have communities that are set up to walk in them. You drive miles to get the things you want/need. The average person is not walking or exercising hardly any anymore. I am guilty of this myself. It is this life style change that is helping drive the obesity trend.

You and you wife are as far from matching the "norm" for people today. You both do a lot of physical work. You grow a fair amount of your food. You wife cooks mostly food made from scratch. You have a two parent house hold. All of these things make for a better lifestyle. A big thing is your active.

Many people today are living a very sedentary life styles. They actual need way fewer calories but eat way more because of taste/want/processed. So the end result is more obesity.

When I hear about these people weighting 400-500 LBS. that can't even walk or even get out of bed/chairs. Who is the fool feeding them????? You do not stay at that weight starving
 
(quoted from post at 09:38:56 08/16/18) And I really don?t give a rats *** what you or any other libtard mainstream news media lover thinks of me or what I produce . go hungry or grow your own and see how fun It is to watch the weeds take your crop over and your animals that you spent years into raising and working all day and night making hay for and fixing fence and fixing water for die because you can?t doctor them or use nnalert because the news media says you are a bed person and don?t care about anything but profit if you do

That is exactly the attitude that's killing you guys. The consumer is the one spending the money. They get to choose what they spend in on. You won't buy something new that isn't what you want now will you? Well no one else has to either.

Attacking the person you are trying to get to buy your product is not a good marketing strategy! Calling them stupid and out of touch even though they may in fact be stupid and out of touch only makes them mad and believe me, they know what you think.

Another thought for you. You GMO guys that is. These companies that don't have a great track record with being real safe or producing safe products. We they come up with something, anything really but in this case GMO crops and roundup. Most of the studies claiming they are safe they funded. And you are perfectly willing to take their word for it? Now why is that? I know it ain't cause of your great concern about humanity and feeding the world. Cause you ain't feeding the world. It's plain and simple. It's about profit! Now I don't see profit as an evil thing as such. Nor do I claim that GMO's are bad. But you guys need to consider what the general public sees. That's the general public that has the checkbook.

Attacking TF and others like him is accomplishing nothing. You don't have very many city slickers reading this. If any it will be the ones against GMO's and Roundup hoping to catch just one of you GMO guys saying "well gee, maybe they ain't safe" or words to that effect. They are just waiting for that ammo.

You don't care what the average Joe worker has to go through to make and or distribute what you buy, so why should anyone care about what you go through to produce what they buy. This us against them attitude is counter productive.

Rick
 
This is a great idea,,, lets just argue over our differences. How about we all agree we love old tractors and equipment and leave the rest alone. There will always be the us against them, and Mom always loved you the best people out there. This site is called YESTERDAYS TRACTORS. How about if you don't have something to say about an old tractor than try saying nothing at all. What do we gain by throwing mud? Al
 
(quoted from post at 10:31:15 08/16/18) I worked for a major chemical manufacturer for 27 years. I disagree that all manufacturers put profit
over safety. This is the type of sensationalism that the fake news agencies push.
In fact if any thing most are probably overboard with safety concerns because of the great potential for accidents.

Now yes, but people judge them by their past actions.

Rick
 
Farmers need to unite,,not divide,,everyone should be proud to be a farmer non organic,or organic,or
somewheres in between.Farming is tough,everyone should be proud and applaud any hardworking farmer
no matter what.Theres got to be a way to all stand tall as farmers..
 
If a guy can make organic work good for him I?m not
really meaning to attack tf .its the anti farm crowd
that knows absolutely nothing about farming or food
and has not spent one minute on a farm or in a
class room that gets up and runs there mouth and
that who people choose to believe ?? I do not
spray chemical for fun I do not buy thousands of
dollars of vaccines just so I can poison you . Which
is what the organic people want you to believe ??
No they don?t !! Oh ?good news everyone your
eating chemicals in your cereal ? traditional farmer
can play off own people?s fears and played up false
information and make more money God bless him .
Nothing wrong with trying to make more money
farming
 
We had the NFO and it would have had been more successful if we would have accepted the support from the AFL. Actually the farmers and industrial workers have a lot in common.
 
Now who is spreading it on thick, where are my knee boots? Your exaggeration is silly! Being Organic doesn?t mean you cannot use antibiotics as a life saving measure to cure a sick cattle, it only means that you have to do so I bet a Veterinarians supervision, and the treated animal is no longer Organic. And must be removed from the herd once it?s health has been restored.
 
(quoted from post at 09:38:56 08/16/18) And I really don?t give a rats *** what you or any other libtard mainstream news media lover thinks of me or what I produce . go hungry or grow your own and see how fun It is to watch the weeds take your crop over and your animals that you spent years into raising and working all day and night making hay for and fixing fence and fixing water for die because you can?t doctor them or use nnalert because the news media says you are a bed person and don?t care about anything but profit if you do

Dude, one of the first things most libtards do when they are losing an argument is assign derogatory names to those who disagree with them.

Funny you predict doom when 1: people farmed the old ways for centuries SUCCESSFULLY without herbicides or GMOs while managing to feed people. 2: Millions of acres of land in the US is sitting idle so running out of food is very unlikely and could be considered to be right on the edge of a lie.

So the real issue is not convincing TF that his way is wrong. It's convincing people that what you produce is safe. Calling TF names isn't helping you at all.

You have to overcome things like the Bhopal disaster and other chemical accidents that have occurred around the world. That and the anti chemical folks out there.

Rick
 
I agree with you whole heartedly Al. I plan to get together with a bunch of YT guys over the next few days at a show and none of us would antagonize anybody else and start things face to face the way some like to stir the pot behind an internet handle. Those who do it want the attention or they wouldn't do it. I don't see very many of them crying to the moderator claiming they're being picked on or bullied.
 
(quoted from post at 11:26:04 08/16/18) If a guy can make organic work good for him I?m not
really meaning to attack tf .its the anti farm crowd
that knows absolutely nothing about farming or food
and has not spent one minute on a farm or in a
class room that gets up and runs there mouth and
that who people choose to believe ?? I do not
spray chemical for fun I do not buy thousands of
dollars of vaccines just so I can poison you . Which
is what the organic people want you to believe ??
No they don?t !! Oh ?good news everyone your
eating chemicals in your cereal ? traditional farmer
can play off own people?s fears and played up false
information and make more money God bless him .
Nothing wrong with trying to make more money
farming

See, funny thing there. A person has to be able to chew and swallow to gain the bennies of food. They don't have to know a darn thing about how to grow it. So why does it matter if they know how to raise food? Lot of things some of them city slickers can do that you can't but you used the products they design and make now don't you? Don't make them any better than you and your knowledge of farming doesn't make you better than them.


Most Americans can read or tune into the news. Using that they can make informed decisions. May or may not be well informed decisions, but at least informed to a certain extent.

Rick
 
Political parties make no difference, insults are a sign of lack of intelligent.

Just look at the P O T U S.
 
What customers I'm supposedly lying to? I don't sell anything these days but if I did there is a huge market for locally grown produce especially organically grown in my area,customers here seek out the growers not the other way around.Apparently you live in an isolated area with few people that have any money.In my area thousands of well educated people with good jobs that are able to buy what they want and apparently organic food is one of their wants.Within 15 miles of my farm there are two large organic grocery stores,Whole foods and Trader Joe's,two more grocery stores
that have very large organic sections Wegmans and Foods of All Nations and Foods of All Nations is a very high dollar place.Plus 2 Walmarts and other grocery stores that have good size
organic sections.You need to get out and see how more of the people in the USA live.
 
The problem with your satements is
that the cold ways fed the old planet,
there are many more mouths to feed
today so claiming that the old ways
worked is very missleading.
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So does the American public and news media have it in for farmers more than lets see:

Car companies that kill people but don't do recalls on ignition switches? (car companies)
Coal mines that kill 25 men due to safety violations? (mining)
Drug companies that put opiode medicine sales ahead of addiction issues? (drug companies)
Salad mixes sold by grocery stores that have salmenila? (food chains)
Obesity and Tobacco use health data? (Healthcare)
School bus safety issues? (education)
Agent orange health facts? (Armed forces)
For profit colleges that give out worthless degrees and huge student debt? (education)
The American press aggressively reported on all those issues...all across business and government.

..they are reporting on and exposing the issues of the day. That is what a free press is all about.
Who do you propose should be the head of America's free speech censorship agency ?
 
(quoted from post at 09:04:09 08/16/18) Yes you can bake bread with 6 ingredients, but see if you can bake 10.000 a day that way, AND have them not turn green in 2-3 days sitting on the buyers shelf in their house.

Hey, our home made bread will make it a week before the green spots appear....about as long as the loaf lasts. My wife eats very little bread, so it is just me. We have not bought a loaf in about 4 years now...was shocked at what they wanted for a decent loaf last time I checked.
 

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