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Crazy Horse
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Jeffcat ...... am I reading your reply correctly? Tell me you're joking. So dump 4% of the USA land area into the ocean along with 80% of the American population who live there?
Info below is from one of the maps in the link from the post .....
"Even though urban areas make up just 3.6 percent of the total size of the 48 contiguous states, four in five Americans live, work and play there. With so much of the U.S. population in urban areas, it?s little surprise that these areas contribute an outsize amount to the economy. The 10 most productive metropolitan areas alone contributed to about 40 percent of U.S. GDP in 2016"
Info below is from one of the maps in the link from the post .....
"Even though urban areas make up just 3.6 percent of the total size of the 48 contiguous states, four in five Americans live, work and play there. With so much of the U.S. population in urban areas, it?s little surprise that these areas contribute an outsize amount to the economy. The 10 most productive metropolitan areas alone contributed to about 40 percent of U.S. GDP in 2016"
GEO-TH, In
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If I want a paper map. I go to AAA. AAA is a nice place to visit for good advice for places to visit while traveling and booking motels.
Traditional Farmer
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And where would the money come from to make the Farm Welfare payments?
If we could do it with no real harm to them in fantasy land, seems like more than a fair trade to me. 
I'm just not a city person, been getting my fill of 'city ideas' of late.....
Besides, they wanted to get rid of us first, with their 'Buffalo commons' idea. You can look that up.
Paul
I'm just not a city person, been getting my fill of 'city ideas' of late.....Besides, they wanted to get rid of us first, with their 'Buffalo commons' idea. You can look that up.
Paul
Piling so many people into so small an area as the URBAN areas adds to the breakdown of society by aiding and abetting crime and whatever is associated with crime. Wish there was a way to reverse the URBAN trend and get people spread out again and WORKING instead of more and more folks living off "hand outs".
Actually it's hard to put into words what I'm thinking. Do you get what I'm trying to say?
Actually it's hard to put into words what I'm thinking. Do you get what I'm trying to say?
Traditional Farmer
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No one is 'piling' people anywhere,free country people can move about and live where they want.Probably less crime these days in urban areas compared to rural as far as population is concerned.
Traditional Farmer
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People are people no matter where they live,everyone is an individual.And actually many urban dwellers these days have more traditional rural ideals then many farmers do.
I think it is amazing to think of all the work that it took to build the largest economy in the world and millions upon millions of acres that were put into some kind of production. Not to mention that most of the work was done by manual labor and beasts of burden up until recent history.
David Snipes
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55 50: To do what you want would require everyone going back to subsistence farming, farming with horses and hand tools, making your own clothing and furniture and living in poverty.
Crazy Horse
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So JDFarmer, sounds like you want a "farmers only" website? Have you been drinking again or are you just yankin' our chains a bit?
Ultradog MN
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If you dumped those of us who aren't farmers this place would dry up and blow away.
Janicholson
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Really. Nah. Jim
JD FARMER? Do you mean me? I just thought this INFORMATION may or may not be of interest to some of the posters here. I'm sorry if this post ( like so many others)went sideways. My mother always said " If you cannot say something nice about someone, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT !!!!). JD just say the word and I am gone! BTW I own more than 2 acres and more than a half dozen tractors, none green. JOE
Almost every state in the nation fits that same pattern.
In MN 60 percent of the population live in the twin cities metro area alone and they probably pay 75 percent of the state's income, that's not including any of the other urban areas in the state. Person per person and dollar for dollar, rural areas already have more clout than urban areas, rural populations are simply outnumbered. Nebraska's unicameral legislature shifts clout even more disproportionally away from population centers to sparsely populated rural areas.
In MN 60 percent of the population live in the twin cities metro area alone and they probably pay 75 percent of the state's income, that's not including any of the other urban areas in the state. Person per person and dollar for dollar, rural areas already have more clout than urban areas, rural populations are simply outnumbered. Nebraska's unicameral legislature shifts clout even more disproportionally away from population centers to sparsely populated rural areas.
Traditional Farmer
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Unless I missed something this site is dedicated to old tractors and equipment and is for those that collect,enjoy,own,use,admire etc etc etc them no matter where they live in the World or
what they do for a living.
what they do for a living.
David Snipes
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OK, got it. Sorry.
SodBuster87
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There is alot of people( myself included) who aggree with his thoughts. Cities although they have high populations, factories, etc., This is offset by crime, large welfare rolls etc. Not to mention politics.
Sod Buster
I think a lot on here have a fantasy view of rural America.
It is a lot like the cities were in the 70s, high drug use, welfare and crime, due to unemployment and the prospect for none to come.
I am lucky, I live close to a semi-major city, so can work my job and farm.
It is a lot like the cities were in the 70s, high drug use, welfare and crime, due to unemployment and the prospect for none to come.
I am lucky, I live close to a semi-major city, so can work my job and farm.
John Deere D
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old-9...Thanks for this info Link:
Bob...
Bob...
LOL maybe we were too smart to be farmers? :wink: :wink:
Actually last time I checked this site is for antique tractor lovers. Doesn't say anything about having to be a farmer. And doesn't have to be a farm tractor either, sections covered include construction equipment and garden tractors and lawn mowers......even classic trucks and stationary engines.
Rick
SodBuster87
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crime rate. Not by a long shot Welfare rates? Has more to do with which rural county we are talking about. Some have greater welfare numbers than others.
Despite what some people would have you believe the largest single block of welfare recipients is in CA. The have about 12 million people on the welfare roles. If you add all of the welfare folks together from "poor rural southern states" as people from CA like to claim the total on welfare is less than 10 million if you include MO, KY, TN, WV, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, LA and AR. To match the numbers from CA you have to add in FL. And honestly GA and FL really no longer count as "rural states" anymore. Now I omitted OH and VA because neither is rural by today's standards.
Now if you refer to the piece written several years ago claiming that most "poor rural southern states" had over 50% of the population on welfare you have to look at who was counted as receiving welfare. The list is impressive and includes the following.
People drawing SS or SSDI.
Government workers and retirees (including local, state and federal).
Military retirees.
And there were a few more that were very questionable. Thing is the did this to make some red states appear to have more folks on welfare than they have paying taxes. Now don't get too upset. A conservative did a piece that heavily padded numbers trying to make the blue states look worse than they are first. The other side just turned the tables.
Rick
SodBuster87
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So before I jump deeper into this rat hole. What is "Welfare"? 4 out of every 5 Americans are recieving govt. money. Having said this. S.S. retirement is govt. money so is SSI, SSDI, SNAP, HUD WIC. etc. Some of these programs the one recieving is required to pay in "X" amount to be eligible and some don't. And to realy kick the hornets nest here farm subsidies are also govt. money. Before discuss who is cashing the govt check we need to better define what welfare is.
Sod Buster
Odd way to look at it I guess, from my perspective.
Property taxes are the killer, they get funneled to the town's, sucking out of the rural pockets. Sure they are on a county level, but it's the urban folk controlling it, mostly at state direction.
We've waited for half century to get a road project done in the county, only happens if enough people die they have to rebuild the road.
Seems lots of things happen in the Cities, rebuilt pretty quick.
Grass is greener, I suppose.....
Paul
Property taxes are the killer, they get funneled to the town's, sucking out of the rural pockets. Sure they are on a county level, but it's the urban folk controlling it, mostly at state direction.
We've waited for half century to get a road project done in the county, only happens if enough people die they have to rebuild the road.
Seems lots of things happen in the Cities, rebuilt pretty quick.
Grass is greener, I suppose.....
Paul
Traditional Farmer
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How many taxpayers per mile where you live compared to how many in the city? You have 3 or 4 people a mile in your area vs 30 in the city makes sense the 30 are going to get their
mile fixed first since they are going to pay way more taxes sooner and they will be stuck with chipping in to pay for work on your mile too most likely.Here in Virginia urban Northern VA
next to DC pays a whole lot more money in road taxes than they get back even though they get a lot more road work done than the rural areas.The rural areas get way more road money than
they contribute.
mile fixed first since they are going to pay way more taxes sooner and they will be stuck with chipping in to pay for work on your mile too most likely.Here in Virginia urban Northern VA
next to DC pays a whole lot more money in road taxes than they get back even though they get a lot more road work done than the rural areas.The rural areas get way more road money than
they contribute.
Traditional Farmer
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You're exactly right I live in a county that has had suburbia move in really urban in some areas with a lot of businesses,very good economy with a lot of well off retirees they build big expensive houses and pay a
lot of real estate tax so our taxes are somewhat higher than rural counties to the South but we also have great emergency and police services compared to the rural counties.Crime is very low where I'm located nothing like the amount of theft going on in the more rural counties.
lot of real estate tax so our taxes are somewhat higher than rural counties to the South but we also have great emergency and police services compared to the rural counties.Crime is very low where I'm located nothing like the amount of theft going on in the more rural counties.
caterpillar guy
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Yup if you believe The Bloomberg outfit. This might be true, though don't have much trust in most statistics since they are like surveys can be skewed by however you want with the information used.
Now the states with the larger cities controlling the law making protocols unfortunately they have no idea as to what is needed nor practical for the rural areas of their state due to the lack of experience in those areas like not knowing how or what practices are useful for different crop or livestock production or even that is doesn't come from the store first. The lack of comprehension by most of the public makes for those urban areas to be so out of touch with the reality of general production of most any product whether it be agriculture or industrial. Thus being how most of these misinformation's about how business is done.
Though I do think how nice it would be for the federal government to sign California back to Mexico sometimes.
Now the states with the larger cities controlling the law making protocols unfortunately they have no idea as to what is needed nor practical for the rural areas of their state due to the lack of experience in those areas like not knowing how or what practices are useful for different crop or livestock production or even that is doesn't come from the store first. The lack of comprehension by most of the public makes for those urban areas to be so out of touch with the reality of general production of most any product whether it be agriculture or industrial. Thus being how most of these misinformation's about how business is done.
Though I do think how nice it would be for the federal government to sign California back to Mexico sometimes.
Local town built a new school. The mansions on the hill in town pay $125 a year, the common houses pay $35-60 a year.
My very small farm by today's standards, I'm paying $800 a year for the next 20 years. A real average size farm would thus be chipping in $2500 or so?
similar story on township and county roads. Rural is taxed a lot heavier per person.
So, my county has 5 commissioners. Two represent a big city suburb. Two represent half of the county seat town including a abundant arts college of 2500 plus a small rural surrounding. One actually represents the small villages and rural areas of this agricultural county.
So my county is all concerned about spending money on cultural issues, abundant arts issues, bike paths for city residents to be able to ride out into the country.
Out in the country, they put up signs, "no snow plowing after dark" and other such things that are so 'helpful' to the people who pay the bulk of the taxes, while we have to work around the bike paths......
It is a joke.
A few years ago the state revised the way property taxes were homesteaded, so city folk get some cheap taxes, rural folk get to pay the bills.
There is no representation. Our county is not run by or for the people out in the county, it is run by transient college kids and city folk who have no skin in the game. Rural folk are taxed much heavier than city folk, and college kids in a religious collage pay almost zero taxes for their bike paths.....
Paul
Paul
My very small farm by today's standards, I'm paying $800 a year for the next 20 years. A real average size farm would thus be chipping in $2500 or so?
similar story on township and county roads. Rural is taxed a lot heavier per person.
So, my county has 5 commissioners. Two represent a big city suburb. Two represent half of the county seat town including a abundant arts college of 2500 plus a small rural surrounding. One actually represents the small villages and rural areas of this agricultural county.
So my county is all concerned about spending money on cultural issues, abundant arts issues, bike paths for city residents to be able to ride out into the country.
Out in the country, they put up signs, "no snow plowing after dark" and other such things that are so 'helpful' to the people who pay the bulk of the taxes, while we have to work around the bike paths......
It is a joke.
A few years ago the state revised the way property taxes were homesteaded, so city folk get some cheap taxes, rural folk get to pay the bills.
There is no representation. Our county is not run by or for the people out in the county, it is run by transient college kids and city folk who have no skin in the game. Rural folk are taxed much heavier than city folk, and college kids in a religious collage pay almost zero taxes for their bike paths.....
Paul
Paul
Being honest here and on the other side of the state most of the taxes here are paid by the lake shore owners. MIL's 150 foot on the water place with a very small one bedroom home pays about 2800 a year in property taxes while I pay about 1200 on a 200 acre farm. MIL's place is valued at about 200,000 dollars, mine at 500,000. Hate to see what some of these lake homes are valued at for taxes. And most of the owners don't even live in them. They are summer homes.
Funny about the roads. They paved a road going out to a lake a few years ago. There are 4 rural homes on that road before the lake. The only reason they paved it was because lake home owners were crying about getting their cars dirty. My BIL farms and lives on that road. There are about 6 homes on that road that use that road in the winter (they only pow to the last home lived in year round). On a very small country highway the rebuilt about 3 miles of that road too. To accommodate Offit's 4 potato fields that road. Being honest the whole thing needs repaved but they only did 3 miles. Widened it and got the load rating up for trucks hauling out potatoes from the field to another highway.
Rick
Rick
dr sportster
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I thought it was about a love for tractors . Where does it say farming ? You sound stupid .
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