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I was talking to our dealer today and we got to chatting about the new M8 200+ hp ones that have been confirmed to be a go. He said word in the industry is they will be sporting Cummings engines. That would be some tractor.
 
(quoted from post at 13:07:36 05/14/18) I was talking to our dealer today and we got to chatting about the new M8 200+ hp ones that have been confirmed to be a go. He said word in the industry is they will be sporting Cummings engines. That would be some tractor.
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Funny how those coreeands want to dupe everyone by calling the engine a Cummings.
 
It will be interesting to see - the Gima plant mates Cummins up to their transmission and axle for a couple of brands, as well as motors from John Deere, Sisu, Perkins/cat, deutz, hmm am I forgetting any others?
 
Philip Not to say you are not right but realize this. Every KUBOTA product out there EXCEPT air cooled entry level lawn mowers are powered by a KUBOTA engine. Old line dealer resistance to any other brand engine is very strong. In fact when the dealers were surveyed 85% said they had rather wait a year or so on the larger tractor to make sure the engine was in house ie. KUBOTA
 
At work our company uses both Kubota and Cummins engines. We have ALOT less issues with the Kubota engines and ALOT better warranty service from Kubota too ! for the few that did need warranty !
 
The highway trucks are headed in the other direction these days. Most have the in house standard offering with Cummins as an option.
 
Critical time for Kubota.....time will tell how they handle success. Hope they don't outsmart themselves.
 
Well a couple of weeks ago I caught a news clip on The "Rural Ag News Report" on RFDTV saying that Kubota was going to open 3 new engine plants in the USA. I didn't try to read between the lines about the product.
Loren
 
Sorry, Bruce, but that is no longer true. Heavy truck manufacturers have been moving in the opposite direction for the last decade or so. All now have their own proprietary engines and most their own transmissions and axles. The days of ordering a Volvo truck with a Detroit engine are gone. (Freightliner owns Detroit). Some manufacturers still use Cummins in specific niche applications where they don't have an in-house powerplant suitable, but by far most heavy trucks roll off the line powered by the manufacture's own power plant.
 
There's a lot of money in the 200+ HP market, but I think the biggest engine Kubota makes is a 4 cylinder. Maybe that's why they're farming it out - if Perkins are still as good as they used to be, that would be even better
Pete
 
(quoted from post at 19:49:24 05/14/18) There's a lot of money in the 200+ HP market, but I think the biggest engine Kubota makes is a 4 cylinder. Maybe that's why they're farming it out - if Perkins are still as good as they used to be, that would be even better
Pete
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Seems like they would just take the 168hp model and ad one or two cylinders.
Keeping the same pistons, connecting rods etc. etc.
 
CASE BB tried that when the introduced the 1690. Basically two 3 cylinder engines cast into a 6 cyl. block with two 3 cylinder heads. The cooling system circulation was their downfall.
Loren
 
(quoted from post at 12:07:36 05/14/18) I was talking to our dealer today and we got to chatting about the new M8 200+ hp ones that have been confirmed to be a go. He said word in the industry is they will be sporting Cummings engines. That would be some tractor.
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I find it AMUSING and CONFUSING that you guys choose a classic AMERICAN-made tractor site to salivate over the potential NEW offerings from a company based in a country that wreaked death and destruction to America only a generation ago.

A new 'bota is hardly a "Yesterday's Tractor".
 
"A new 'bota is hardly a "Yesterday's Tractor". "

Neither are pick-up trucks.

See below.

Dean
 
I agree, JM.

I expect that Kubota will make their own engines, eventually, if not initially.

Dean
 
I wonder if they want the big tractor out there before their big engine is ready, so drop in an off the shelf engine and go.

Kubota is a class act on small and medium Diesel engines, but they never have done a big one have they? With the emissions of today, that's a big deal to ramp out.

Paul
 
My understanding was that the M7 tractors are already somewhat a component tractor. If you buy the CV transmission, that it is not built by Kubota, and the front axel is not Kubota either. Kubota has announced a ne warehouse/ office facilities to be built on a 50 acre site not to far from me, opening 2019-2020. Love them or hate them, Kubota is now a force in the market, and gaining ground at the expense of the old main line brands.
 
With people starting threads and posting pictures and explanations about their feet rotting away due to diabetes or how coffee makes them
constipated, you decide to complain about one that deals with tractors? Holding a grudge for actions that happened over 70 years ago against
a company based in that country is a tad pathetic.
 
(quoted from post at 10:46:09 05/15/18) With people starting threads and posting pictures and explanations about their feet rotting away due to diabetes or how coffee makes them
constipated, you decide to complain about one that deals with tractors? Holding a grudge for actions that happened over 70 years ago against
a company based in that country is a tad pathetic.
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OU CLEARLY WERE not THERE!
 
I find it AMUSING and CONFUSING that you guys choose a classic AMERICAN-made tractor site to salivate over the potential NEW offerings from a company based in a country that wreaked death and destruction to America only a generation ago.

A new 'bota is hardly a "Yesterday's Tractor".
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More like 4 generations ago.
 
(quoted from post at 07:54:58 05/15/18)
(quoted from post at 10:46:09 05/15/18) With people starting threads and posting pictures and explanations about their feet rotting away due to diabetes or how coffee makes them
constipated, you decide to complain about one that deals with tractors? Holding a grudge for actions that happened over 70 years ago against
a company based in that country is a tad pathetic.
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OU CLEARLY WERE not THERE!
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I've always wondered why some people harbor this grudge against Japan, but are perfectly fine with being friends with Britain and Germany.

Germany should be lumped into the same pile with Japan if you're going to harbor a grudge, and if 73 years isn't too long, then what's 250 years? After all, the British were pretty oppressive in their day.
 
(quoted from post at 14:36:23 05/15/18)
(quoted from post at 07:54:58 05/15/18)
(quoted from post at 10:46:09 05/15/18) With people starting threads and posting pictures and explanations about their feet rotting away due to diabetes or how coffee makes them
constipated, you decide to complain about one that deals with tractors? Holding a grudge for actions that happened over 70 years ago against
a company based in that country is a tad pathetic.
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OU CLEARLY WERE not THERE!
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I've always wondered why some people harbor this grudge against Japan, but are perfectly fine with being friends with Britain and Germany.

Germany should be lumped into the same pile with Japan if you're going to harbor a grudge, and if 73 years isn't too long, then what's 250 years? After all, the British were pretty oppressive in their day.
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he men who suffered at the hands of the Japanese will never, ever forget. Maybe a generation or two after they are all gone, everybody will become comfortable & all worm & fuzzy. They still frown on family members that drive Japanese or German cars & if I were them, I might do the same.
 
(quoted from post at 14:00:20 05/15/18) . They still frown on family members that drive Japanese or German cars & if I were them, I might do the same.
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At some point in time, you have to get on with life.
 
(quoted from post at 12:00:20 05/15/18) The men who suffered at the hands of the Japanese will never, ever forget. Maybe a generation or two after they are all gone, everybody will become comfortable & all worm & fuzzy. They still frown on family members that drive Japanese or German cars & if I were them, I might do the same.
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My grandpa was on Wake Island when the Japanese attacked. He was a civilian working for a contractor building a air strip for PanAm airlines. he spent the next four years as a "guest" of the Japanese in China in a shipyard. He drove a Japanese car toward the end of his life. I guess he could differentiate between a military of a dead and gone government, and the modern-day people of Japan who have been a close ally of the US for decades since the war.
 
My Dad spent about five years in North Africa and Europe. 1942 to 1947. When he came home and got a job, he flat out refused to
buy a VW and finally bought a Corvair. But the war changed him in other ways, too. We were not allowed to have Spam in our
house......
 
(quoted from post at 19:58:28 05/14/18) I thought you were gonna say Kubota was buying Deere.
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Only the folks who can't afford either a JD or IH tractor think that way. The rest of us hope that JD doesn't wind up owned by CP Group (Thailand, owns half of AGCO) or FIAT. At least a Deere is still a Deere.

Heck I like IH as far as old tractors go. Sure wouldn't mind having a new Kubota.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 04:00:09 05/15/18)
(quoted from post at 12:07:36 05/14/18)
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I find it AMUSING and CONFUSING that you guys choose a classic AMERICAN-made tractor site to salivate over the potential NEW offerings from a company based in a country that wreaked death and destruction to America only a generation ago. A new 'bota is hardly a "Yesterday's Tractor".
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Get over it, that war ended a long time ago and Japan has been an ally since then. Although I agree that a new Kubota isn't a yesterday tractor.
 
Go to the South Korean Kukje www site and have a look around at the rainbow in their tractor plant and their listings of tractors and model
numbers manufactured by them....in addition to my Branson 6530C with a B 3.3NA and 2400 with the A1100N, both Cummins (licensed)
engines. You'll find numerous popular colors including green and yellow.
 
(quoted from post at 17:14:46 05/14/18) CASE BB tried that when the introduced the 1690. Basically two 3 cylinder engines cast into a 6 cyl. block with two 3 cylinder heads. The cooling system circulation was their downfall.
Loren
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So one failed design means that the engineers learned nothing, and that it should never ever ever ever EVER be attempted again?

I heard that when Dodge/Ram started putting coil spring suspensions in their new trucks. "Oh GM tried that in the 67-72 trucks and it was an absymal failure. Dodge/Ram is making a huge mistake! These trucks will never be any good."

Well, come to find out people had figured a thing or three out about coil spring suspensions in 40 years. I'm pretty sure RAM is still using coil spring suspensions in all of their 1500 trucks, and now the 2500 has a coil spring suspension too.

I'm pretty sure many successful engine designs have been made by adding/lopping cylinders to/from an already proven design. The engineers at Kubota are not stupid, and they know what's at stake.
 
(quoted from post at 06:45:02 05/16/18)
(quoted from post at 17:14:46 05/14/18) CASE BB tried that when the introduced the 1690. Basically two 3 cylinder engines cast into a 6 cyl. block with two 3 cylinder heads. The cooling system circulation was their downfall.
Loren
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So one failed design means that the engineers learned nothing, and that it should never ever ever ever EVER be attempted again?

I heard that when Dodge/Ram started putting coil spring suspensions in their new trucks. "Oh GM tried that in the 67-72 trucks and it was an absymal failure. Dodge/Ram is making a huge mistake! These trucks will never be any good."

Well, come to find out people had figured a thing or three out about coil spring suspensions in 40 years. I'm pretty sure RAM is still using coil spring suspensions in all of their 1500 trucks, and now the 2500 has a coil spring suspension too.

I'm pretty sure many successful engine designs have been made by adding/lopping cylinders to/from an already proven design. The engineers at Kubota are not stupid, and they know what's at stake.
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HMMM didn't know FIAT was doing that with their trucks! I mean come on. I wouldn't drive a Dodge on a bet but that's my choice. But for the "that's not a _________ built in America guys......CaseIH, New Holland, Chrysler and Dodge are all owned by FIAT. Half of AGCO is owned by a company in Taiwan. So I guess if you are going to back up your statements yer gonna trade everything you own that ain't JD in for JD stuff right now.....right???? :lol:

Rick
 
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