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Rustred,
The practice of driving back with plows out of the ground is often done in the Midwest. It eliminates "debt" furrows on hilly ground; a "debt" furrow(open furrow)is ripe for starting serious soil erosion. Plus, plow operators of today often do not know how to adjust plows to skillfully back-fill a "debt" furrow.
Wasting of fuel? Maybe, but no more than having parades, tractor shows, car shows, etc....most of us can afford that little bit of fuel while having a lot of enjoyment. I am sure every driver in that video is happy at the chance to join in the fun.
I would prefer to see old wheeled-tractors following the crawlers instead of that new powerful iron. Our old tractors need that exercise to keep them running better!
We have a local plow day with pre-1960 tractors, last year over 50 old tractors showed up, about 150 people come to watch, local 4-H serves food and drink, we get donations and also sell videos of our big day and give all the funds to ag-related charities in our area.
The 4-H keeps their profits...I always say that group is the richest 4-H club for miles around!
Win-win-win.
LA in WI
The practice of driving back with plows out of the ground is often done in the Midwest. It eliminates "debt" furrows on hilly ground; a "debt" furrow(open furrow)is ripe for starting serious soil erosion. Plus, plow operators of today often do not know how to adjust plows to skillfully back-fill a "debt" furrow.
Wasting of fuel? Maybe, but no more than having parades, tractor shows, car shows, etc....most of us can afford that little bit of fuel while having a lot of enjoyment. I am sure every driver in that video is happy at the chance to join in the fun.
I would prefer to see old wheeled-tractors following the crawlers instead of that new powerful iron. Our old tractors need that exercise to keep them running better!
We have a local plow day with pre-1960 tractors, last year over 50 old tractors showed up, about 150 people come to watch, local 4-H serves food and drink, we get donations and also sell videos of our big day and give all the funds to ag-related charities in our area.
The 4-H keeps their profits...I always say that group is the richest 4-H club for miles around!
Win-win-win.
LA in WI
showcrop
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LA I think that you mean "dead" furrow. They can be eliminated by just sinking your first bottom in the right place when you come back, so that all of it gets tuned over. Rust red, you may have noticed that the crawlers all shifted to a higher gear when starting back. running at low RPMs and low load takes very little fuel.
rustred
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just saying they could be plowing on the way back also and get twice the work done in real life. did not know this was just a demo . never heard it called a "debt" furrow,.. know it as a "dead" furrow.
dont think it was even thought of around here to travel back empty. would have really got skidded for that.
i only remember traveling cutting one way with the binder in layed out grain , then had to travel back empty.
dont think it was even thought of around here to travel back empty. would have really got skidded for that.
i only remember traveling cutting one way with the binder in layed out grain , then had to travel back empty.
fixerupper
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Another reason for one way plowing is to throw the topsoil back up the hill. We should have done that many years ago but it’s too late now.
showcrop,
No,I did not mean "dead" furrow. I was on an Iowa farm starting in 1937 when I was born. I know every body and his brother say "dead" furrow nowadays, but that is because dead and debt sound alike. Those old timers who knew the English language pronounced it "debt". My grandfather said "debt", then my father called it "dead" and so did I until I checked plowing history.
Technically, when you leave an open dead furrow, the old farmers said you needed to plow some soil back to refill that furrow...in other words you needed to "repay" that furrow with soil to make it even again. When you re-pay you are settling a debt you owe.
Besides, what is dead about a "dead" furrow? I never hear talk about other furrows being "alive"!!
So, technically and grammatically, I feel I am correct, but our language is so filled with slang words today that it is easier to just go with the flow....I was just having fun because I know some of you would jump on the "debt" word. I forgive your ignorance (smile, darn it).
I loved the subject of English in school because the English teacher was funny and a great person.
You young whippersnappers under 75 stick with me and we will get this all straightened out!
LA in WI
PS Now if you get the chance to drive an old "H" Farmall pulling a #8 IH plow that is set correctly, then by golly you go do it. I also drove a JD "B" pulling a plow...but no need to drag that scary scene back to life!
No,I did not mean "dead" furrow. I was on an Iowa farm starting in 1937 when I was born. I know every body and his brother say "dead" furrow nowadays, but that is because dead and debt sound alike. Those old timers who knew the English language pronounced it "debt". My grandfather said "debt", then my father called it "dead" and so did I until I checked plowing history.
Technically, when you leave an open dead furrow, the old farmers said you needed to plow some soil back to refill that furrow...in other words you needed to "repay" that furrow with soil to make it even again. When you re-pay you are settling a debt you owe.
Besides, what is dead about a "dead" furrow? I never hear talk about other furrows being "alive"!!
So, technically and grammatically, I feel I am correct, but our language is so filled with slang words today that it is easier to just go with the flow....I was just having fun because I know some of you would jump on the "debt" word. I forgive your ignorance (smile, darn it).
I loved the subject of English in school because the English teacher was funny and a great person.
You young whippersnappers under 75 stick with me and we will get this all straightened out!
LA in WI
PS Now if you get the chance to drive an old "H" Farmall pulling a #8 IH plow that is set correctly, then by golly you go do it. I also drove a JD "B" pulling a plow...but no need to drag that scary scene back to life!
showcrop
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Well, LA, just in case, before I typed my response, I checked for both dead and debt, and I could find nothing for debt furrow. I can see your explanation, and I always thought that a dead furrow was named because it is like where ground gets dug up and refilled. There is a low place there like it would be if a body were buried there and after a few years left a low place that you would get thrown by when you went over it going crossways. I relate very strongly to how the Kings English is constantly changing. My mother was an English teacher once I got into high school, and she always got after me and my brothers and sister to use correct English. People constantly misplace their modifiers in their speech, and just recently the use of the word "so", which is either a conjunction or an adverb, is used to start almost every sentence where neither an adverb or a conjunction is needed or correct. Another new speak is the word nuance or nuanced. You are not cool if you fail to use it at least once in every five minutes. Another that I just noticed last week is "optics". It is just starting to become popular. You better start figuring out how to work it into every few sentences or you will be considered to be illiterate. Good luck!
Showcrop. Another word that can drive you crazy is Whatever. Then the
person will shrug their sholders. Now a funny thing you brought up is
useing "So". Now if you listen to spoken Japanese they will say so or
they will say so so at the beginning of a sentence. It sort of means
that you understand. Useing it once or twice depends on the situation.
I know that schools, the pits of education garbage they are becoming
just stirs my guts. End of rant.
person will shrug their sholders. Now a funny thing you brought up is
useing "So". Now if you listen to spoken Japanese they will say so or
they will say so so at the beginning of a sentence. It sort of means
that you understand. Useing it once or twice depends on the situation.
I know that schools, the pits of education garbage they are becoming
just stirs my guts. End of rant.
showcrop,
How about today when you say "Thank you" to someone they say "No problem". Where did "You are welcome" go? I know it was no problem I gave them, I simply want to thank them for the help they gave me. Makes me want to pull my hair out...if I had any.
"Like" is today's slang for a lot of things.
"Exact same"...ye gods, it can be exact or it can be the same, but it is impossible to be both at same time (or exact same time).
"He goes" means a person starts talking...I think. who really knows?
We left a restaurant last week and the manager said "Good night, guys"...my wife replied "I am not a guy". I can accurately state that she is definitely not a guy!! I don't think the mgr even realized what she said. Will we eat there again? I sure will not take a guy there for a nice evening meal with candle light.
I do like your dead body in a furrow story..."like it is exact same thing I heard once before.
LA in WI
How about today when you say "Thank you" to someone they say "No problem". Where did "You are welcome" go? I know it was no problem I gave them, I simply want to thank them for the help they gave me. Makes me want to pull my hair out...if I had any.
"Like" is today's slang for a lot of things.
"Exact same"...ye gods, it can be exact or it can be the same, but it is impossible to be both at same time (or exact same time).
"He goes" means a person starts talking...I think. who really knows?
We left a restaurant last week and the manager said "Good night, guys"...my wife replied "I am not a guy". I can accurately state that she is definitely not a guy!! I don't think the mgr even realized what she said. Will we eat there again? I sure will not take a guy there for a nice evening meal with candle light.
I do like your dead body in a furrow story..."like it is exact same thing I heard once before.
LA in WI
I am not in hill country so that plow uphil was not a factor for me. The reason for going back empty for a lot in hill country was the one way plow was easy gotten and way cheaper than a 2 way so they could plow both ways. And this set of posts is first time I ever heard it called debt furrow, it always was dead furrow as in meaning last furrow or dead same as dead in deadend on a road. Meaning can go no farther. And I am on shady side on 74, just a couple of days away from being on sunny side of 75.
It's always been dead furrow in my area. But for me it's just the dang wiggle in the field can't combine beans over easily..... glad I went to chisel plow mostly now.
I had an English teacher had us read "1994" and then tested us on it. He graded us on our replies to how society would be. Not on the grammar we used, but on our actual opinions! Yikes, that was not my favorite English teacher...... how can you grade a student right or wrong on their opinion of how the future will be?
Paul
I had an English teacher had us read "1994" and then tested us on it. He graded us on our replies to how society would be. Not on the grammar we used, but on our actual opinions! Yikes, that was not my favorite English teacher...... how can you grade a student right or wrong on their opinion of how the future will be?
Paul
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You can add 'whole entire' to that list. I've heard TV news anchors say it.
I'm 85 years old and all I ever heard it called was dead furrow..I think it was called that was because it was if they'd plow the dead furrow in the same spot too many times it would get so deep that nothing would grow there because the good dirt was gone and it was down to the clay. I would always turn around and plow the furrow back shut as soon as I had a strip done.
I would lower the front of the plow and raise the back end part way to close the furrow..
I would lower the front of the plow and raise the back end part way to close the furrow..
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