Kubotas taking over!

Philip d

Well-known Member
They're flying off the lots on PEI. One neighbour has a M6 111 open station loader ordered another is looking at several models and they're colouring quite a few livestock operations of all types on the island. 0% financing free 6 yr warranty and lower prices than the other main brands it's hard not to give them a serious look. The M7's are real heavyweights too,over 13k pounds shipping weight. Still not sold on buying one that many hp to keep with a 4cyl but they'll likely hold up well enough.
 
Philip we are seeing some of the older like 8580 and 9580s come thru the shop with 5 and 6 thousand hours and no engine problems. Original engine with maybe on the second or third clutch but those 4 cylinder engines are tough
 
Same over here in Cape Breton, but then again not much local competition. Dealer in Sydney peppering the country side with the small ones. Some farmers are buying m 108 model because you can't beat the price for the hp.
Myself I think some are a little light for the hp they put out, but they will probably work out fine. Those m7"s are a different story, they look strong. I prefer buying some older clunkers from over your way and bringing them back to life.
I bought a used massey 3650 from atlantic cat just before they gave up the agco line and also an agco whte 6710 from Hjv.
 
I like mine , and see no reason to complain. Local dealer is selling plenty of Kubotas. Tractors , skid steers , mini hoe, lawn and RV , as well as some haying equipment. Stuff don't have to be red,green or blue, to work well.
 
I have four and all are serving me well.

Watch out for Kioti. They are investing heavily in new models.

They are out competing Kubota these days and growing rapidly.

Stay tuned.

Dean
 
I wished I had gone back to Kubota. I bought on in 1987 and used it hard for 20 years. When I went to replace it I went with Deere because it was cheaper and it lasted less than a year using it a lot less hard. Had problems from the get go and the dealer wouldn't fix it. I took it back to them twice and they left it sitting on the lot untouched for a couple weeks at a time and gave it back to me.
 
Dean I am interested how do you think they are OUT COMPETING Kubota.. Their market share in UNDER 100hp is actually less than 8 % and less this year than last. Seems to me they have made their run and about a thing of the past. Folks take a dealership around here and when the one year free floor plan is over they are gone. No real reason I see for them to get stronger as their prices are certainly nothing less than Kubota on comparable unit and Kubota has much better (or more) dealer support.
 
Biggest problem for Kubota in this area is the dealer. I can't imagine how anyone could deal with them. If they had a decent dealer I expect there'd be a lot more orange tractors around here.
 
The lease is up on our T6 NewHolland in a year,our nh dealer is also a kubota dealer,before we decide weather or not to buy out our leased tractor we're going to price up a new blue one and orange one as well.
 
I have a Kubota, as do 3 of my neighbors. More Kubota than Deere on the under 100 hp side.
 
Their incentives are better and new model introduction is ramping up.

I think that they are about where Kubota was in the mid 1980s.

I own 4 Kubotas now, all have been great and three were bought within the last two years, but I'm currently looking at a small HST Kioti to replace a Ford 8N to pull a 5' mower in some areas where things do not look right if mowed with one of my larger tractor/mower combinations. Yes, this will be an experiment.

Stay tuned.

Dean
 
My local dealer once sold MF and NH. He dumped MF and picked up Kubota about 20-25 years ago. Tells me that it was the best thing that he ever did.

Lot now has 2 or 3 NH tractors and probably 25 or 30 Kubotas.

Dean
 
No but if I was going into tractor sales that's the first place I'd look right now lol
 
Our local Kubota dealer is excellent, but I've seen a lot of Mahindra dealers popping up too
I have a friend that has a snow removal company - he has always run Kubota loader tractors, but in the last couple years he has switched to Kioti. In the 100-125hp range he's saving $10 - $15k per tractor
 
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Near as I can tell Kubota has 2000 workers in America, mostly laborers . Deere has over 20,000 including many white collar engineers, in high paying( and high tax paying)positions. Wonder where this is going and who will be crying about job losses in 20 years.
 

Cost of ownership is very low for Kubota. After fifteen years they allowed me 90% of what I paid for my first one towards the new one.
 
(quoted from post at 06:49:00 03/14/18) Near as I can tell Kubota has 2000 workers in America, mostly laborers . Deere has over 20,000 including many white collar engineers, in high paying( and high tax paying)positions. Wonder where this is going and who will be crying about job losses in 20 years.

Kubota tires and rims are Titan out of Missouri. Loaders and mid mount mowers are also built by USA jobbers.
 
I see your point but if an offshore company puts a vastly superior product on the market at a similar price the it's at least partly the domestic companies that are at fault here. I drove old cars and trucks until I was almost 50. Fords and Dodges. When I could finally afford an almost new car I bought a Dodge Caliber with less than 10000 miles on it. It was no end of trouble. I suspect it was underbuilt to hit a price target as many folks around here were not satisfied. I am paying on a Mazda now and it is a far better car. I will always buy as close to home as possible if price and quality are similar but I've bought too many inferior products to wear blinders anymore.My sister and her husband in Newfoundland traded their Deere on a Kubota last fall.
 
(quoted from post at 19:22:12 03/13/18) I wonder where they will be in 50 years or more ?


Don't know about 50 years in the future but they've come a long way since 1969. (The year that Kioti/Daedong started) :eek:
 
Big sales numbers don't mean a top quality product.N Fords out sold all others in their day but few would argue they were the best tractor being built then.
Chevy out sells Cadillac too,Harbor Freight sells more tools than Snapon etc etc.Cheap price, $0 down and $0 interest sells things these days.
 
around here kubota has changed marketing. made one local move to a major highway (just like CASE-ih did back in the 1980s) Another one that was retiring kubota would not allow them to sell the franchise with the business and had to give it up. i think they ended up just liquidating instead.

the one that moved changed hands too. new guy doesn't seem like he wants to deal. not on Toro/wheel horse parts anyway. i'd like to support the local guy but when i can get the same factory toro parts (2 belts and blade set) shipped for the price of just his blades i can't. that was too much $$ to ignore.

on the deere side as someone mentioned. don't forget they too have alot of equipment built overseas and sell it here. still better to keep the profits in US stock holders hands but they're not so innocent and of course CaseNH is fiat owned.
 
Just remember when your college grad in engineering son can not get a job....Your Kubota was engineered, designed, tooled and tested....in Japan. Your choice.

Lots of folks complaining about low wages and lack of jobs on this forum..but don't see the relationship.
 
(quoted from post at 12:39:33 03/14/18) Just remember when your college grad in engineering son can not get a job....Your Kubota was engineered, designed, tooled and tested....in Japan. Your choice.

Lots of folks complaining about low wages and lack of jobs on this forum..but don't see the relationship.

Kubota will move more here over time as their market grows just exactly like Honda, Toyota, etc. have done. We need to greatly downsize government regulations to make it more attractive to be here. Fortunately that process has begun.
 
Yep...Americans used to run lead the world....now we follow the orders of our foreign bosses, for half the wages
....thus we pay half the taxes...so the deficit grows and grows.
Somebody keeps saying we need to bring good jobs back to America, and I agree, but the place to start is to quit losing
the jobs we have now.
 
Cheap yen helps Japanese exporters as well. Japan is the most indebted country in the world with total per capita debt at 400% of GDP. That helps keep yen cheap
 
(quoted from post at 12:39:33 03/14/18) Just remember when your college grad in engineering son can not get a job....Your Kubota was engineered, designed, tooled and tested....in Japan. Your choice.

Lots of folks complaining about low wages and lack of jobs on this forum..but don't see the relationship.

That's exactly how I see it.

Then also think about where all of the profits go; back to Japan. Don't get me wrong, competition is great. It keeps them honest, and it kind of looks like Deere needs a lesson in that: talking about the rights of the owner to repair his own machine here!

I do agree that manufacturing in the US is a great big plus if the suppliers are here, because the jobs are multiplied several times over since those workers are employed here as well.
 
Did not expect you to have a lot of good to say but can you believe that there are folks that are actually on maybe their third or forth one. Satisfied customers bring on more satisfied customers. Kubotas quality is selling tractors believe it or not. Yes financing and price figure into it but over and over on market surveys we send out the number one reason for purchase is " long life product' hear it over and over, just a dang good tractor at a good price.
 
Pitch not any more KUBOTA has THREE plants in Georgia that makes all the loaders and mower decks. Actually make all the loaders for Kubota products sold nation wide. They just announced to dealers the intent to spend 82 million next year to build the firs plant in the US to manufacture engines. Will be in the mid west somewhere around Kansas City. Kubota also has a US plant that makes the RTV using an engine build in Japan.
 
And I can find a whole bunch of folks that'll swear up and down that an N Ford was the best tractor ever built too.I know several not so satisfied Kubota customers BTW of course that is true of any brand.Like I said Harbor Freight sells a lot of tools and probably plenty of satisfied customers its all what someone wants.
 
I agree whole heartily, all in what the guy wants . You been doing OK>. Saw where you been hitting the auctions, good stuff is selling strong here an junk no takers
 
(quoted from post at 18:22:12 03/13/18) I wonder where they will be in 50 years or more ?

Well I saw my first Kubota tractor in 1978 at the IH dealer in Alexandria MN. So they only gotta go 10 more years to hit that 50 year bench mark!

Now I don't know about you but I've spent days in the seat of tractors that while cool were not fun to operate day in day out. In fact they tried to beat you up. Worst 2 were a JD R and an IHC factory WFE M. Been on much newer tractors with AC and heat, quite cabs, comfortable seats that have adjustments to make em nicer yet with great hydraulics and power steering and a power shift. Don't wanna spend the day on an old one no more. What's more, I don't have to. Really thinking about dumping my Ford 8Ns for a Kubota. Heck already got the implements.

Rick
 
Interesting ..... We have not seen very little price incentive here. Their programs are not really that strong after the dealer gets thru the first year. They do offer the dealer an 8% price advantage for the first year. That is why you see so many dealers staying one year then giving it up. They can be completive OR make more money on sales that first year but after that hard to make it with Kioti alone, at least in these parts.
 
Clean good tractors are bringing good,haven't seen much rough stuff yet a few sales in the next few weeks with that kind of tractors.Last Fall I bought a non running IH 2444 with a good loader
for $100 and an IH 340 Ind not running for $50 so those types are pretty much in the tank but good for me to part out.
 
Kubota's here too in West Pa. Just bought a RTV900 from dealer over in Ohio. This area has lots of gas drilling/pipeline work and that industry is hard on equipment; Not uncommon for dealer to deliver 5 RTV's at one time for pipe line employees.
 
(quoted from post at 07:32:21 03/15/18)
(quoted from post at 18:22:12 03/13/18) I wonder where they will be in 50 years or more ?

Well I saw my first Kubota tractor in 1978 at the IH dealer in Alexandria MN. So they only gotta go 10 more years to hit that 50 year bench mark!

Now I don't know about you but I've spent days in the seat of tractors that while cool were not fun to operate day in day out. In fact they tried to beat you up. Worst 2 were a JD R and an IHC factory WFE M. Been on much newer tractors with AC and heat, quite cabs, comfortable seats that have adjustments to make em nicer yet with great hydraulics and power steering and a power shift. Don't wanna spend the day on an old one no more. What's more, I don't have to. Really thinking about dumping my Ford 8Ns for a Kubota. Heck already got the implements.

Rick

Spring is just around the corner Bota gives a rebate that time of year :wink: Just encase anyone wants to know they are not sold at HF...
 
IF you guys would do the research you will find that the JDs have foreign made major components like engines and hydros. IIRC the 2000 and 3000 series are assembled in the US. The rest are made overseas. So JD ain't gonna hire yer grand kids or kids to be engineers either.

It's simple math guys. Most small tractor are purchased overseas. Asia, India and places like that. Cheaper to make em close to the point of sale. Simple business decision.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 22:08:48 03/14/18) IF you guys would do the research you will find that the JDs have foreign made major components like engines and hydros. IIRC the 2000 and 3000 series are assembled in the US. The rest are made overseas. So JD ain't gonna hire yer grand kids or kids to be engineers either.

It's simple math guys. Most small tractor are purchased overseas. Asia, India and places like that. Cheaper to make em close to the point of sale. Simple business decision.

Rick

I don't see the math there.
 

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