So this is the first tractor I've ever
owned. And have been fixing quite a few
minor things as they arise and being
mechanicly inclined I do all the fixings
myself. So far I've replaced water
pump,power steering pump,front wheel
bearings,brake adjustments, and now just
replaced shift lever. previous owner broke
it and welded close to pivot and it got
stuck in 3rd gear and of coarse as soon as
it happened im like well it's an old
tractor maybe I need to give a lil more
force and pow! shifter broke and that's
when I noticed it had been welded before
there.... anyway besides that I had a few
questions to sum tractor riggers out there
on pto speeds, mainly how to get 1000rpm
from the pto for a pto operated hydraulic
pump for high flow(40gpm 2250psi)for
obviously hydraulic attachments but instead
of for a bobcat my mf3165 tractor haha...
If anyone has any input would love to hear
what ya think about this. I seen something
on web about this but couldn't get much
info on it and still researching...
 
1000 rpm pto is "usually" on tractors from about 100 hp, and up. The used to be a gearbox made that would speed up a 540 rpm pto to a 1000 rpm pto.
 

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Would this be the type of thing I would need or are the specs different then what I need and if so what specs would i need to accomplish what I'm talking about I'll post pic of the pump I'm looking at also......
 

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This is the hydraulic pump I'm talking about...
 
So what I'm thinking here is if I rigged up a 3pt carry-crate and mounted the 2:1 gear box to the said crate, the 1 side toward pto and obviously get sum adapters to connect and then the 2 side would stick straight up and I could get adapters for that shaft to hook right into hydraulic pump there for giving me 1080rpm to spin the hydraulic pump for the 40gpm option the pump has because I don't think the 540rpm @ 20gpm would operate a forestry mulcher they claim 30gpm and up for operation so I figured this setup would have me running threw the overgrowed property I'm wanting to clear.... let me know your thoughts on this good and bad please haha I'm still in the research phase and there is already 1500bucks in the said pot as it is haha but still no where near the price of a bobcat with high flow options so this is the more affordable route for me and if this is able to be done affordable to alot of ppl out there like me.... thanks mike
 
The specs on a 70" Bobcat forestry mulcher, operating weight 3000 lbs, the skid steer to run it 85 hp, and up. According to my brother who works on them, all the mulchers that are used on skid steers are pieces of junk, and are hard on skid steers. If you need one you are better off with either the big tire, or track type commercial forestry mulcher (you seen how big those are). With the weight of the mulcher, and all the things you need to make it work (gear box, pump, oil, oil tank, oil cooler, and the steel) that's a lot of weight by itself. I don't think the 3165 would be up to the task even if you got a mulcher narrower than 70".
 
Now now then sounds like your undermining
the mf3165's power here the specs on My
tractor loader claim it can carry 3400lbs
min. @ 3ft height so I dont think hauling
the mulcher around would be a problem and
I have the liquid filled tires so rear end
would stay down and especially if I added
300lbs of steel for the 3pt pto high flow
attachment to run hydraulic pressure
The picture is the fecon bullhog mulcher specs for the two narrower options and i think its possible because all im wanting to clear is alot of underbrush nothing bigger then 6in and if I come to anything that big I'll jus steer clear of it and come back with chain saw and make firewood but chainsawing underbrush and about 5acres of underbrush with chain saw would take months lol
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Is your tractor gas or diesel? The most PTO power if diesel would be 52 HP, if it's the G176 Continental gas maybe 48. I'm with PTfarmer, you need a larger tractor..
 
(quoted from post at 04:57:50 02/18/18) Now now then sounds like your undermining
the mf3165's power here the specs on My
tractor loader claim it can carry 3400lbs
min. @ 3ft height so I dont think hauling
the mulcher around would be a problem and
I have the liquid filled tires so rear end
would stay down and especially if I added
300lbs of steel for the 3pt pto high flow
attachment to run hydraulic pressure
The picture is the fecon bullhog mulcher specs for the two narrower options and i think its possible because all im wanting to clear is alot of underbrush nothing bigger then 6in and if I come to anything that big I'll jus steer clear of it and come back with chain saw and make firewood but chainsawing underbrush and about 5acres of underbrush with chain saw would take months lol
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OK we have a lot of good people here who know what they are talking about. We also see lots of info on here concerning people being seriously injured or killed around machinery. You will not that you haven't been told you can't do what you want......just that you can't do what you want with that tractor safely!

But you gotta argue. If you know so much why are you on here asking if something can be done? You keep getting the same answer.....YOU NEED A BIGGER TRACTOR!

Rick
 
Ok slick rick I'm not trying to act like a
smart a$$ jus simply asking why this
wouldn't work. nobody replied on why it
wouldn't work jus ppl saying you need
bigger tractor and my question is why if I
can get adapter to make my pto spin twice
the speed without extra load on engine and
all the specs for the attachment are met
why could this not work? And if the chance
of me dying/getting hurt is here then
please explain to me how it could
happen.... I'm jus here for info and lots
of it didn't wanna get into a argument over
me jus wanting more info on a idea geez. I
thought this site was here for questions,
not ppl getting butt hurt over other ppls
questions, but i quess thats how screwed
our society is today so what can we do.....
hopefully someone can provide more in-depth
info on the tractor subject rather then
starting arguments over questions being
asked on a site made for questions to be
asked.... thanks mike
 
Why do I need more pto power I'm looking into the hydraulic mulcher not the pto power ones. all my pto will be doing is spinning 540rpm,to 1:2 gear box to make 1080rpm for the hydraulic motor to spin at 1080rpm for 40gpm pressure to then operate hydraulic mulcher.... And I just want to know how this wouldn't be inline with the specs for the hydraulic mulcher attachment... to my understanding the hydraulic mulcher would be less strenuous on tractor then the pto powered ones cuz if the hydraulic one boggz down it would affect hydraulic motor pressure,instead of pto linked to tractor correct me if I'm wrong but please with explained details as of why.... And I feel I need to restate, this is my first tractor and I just want to know the ins and outs of everything I can do with it so I would like to have valid info rather then jus hear say and guessing....
Thanks mike
 
Is there some sort of back pressure (created from hudraulic mulcher bogging down) put on the hydraulic pump therefore putting to big a load back to gear box and then to tractor?? I'm not a expert on hydraulics just seems to me that if there were a load put backwards on hydraulic pump there would be some sort of check valves inline or an internal relief valve on pump for back pressures but I could be crazy. And I'll state again I'm not a expert just here for expert info on my in-depth questions that hopefully (other ppl that want to do this setup) can learn "how it can work" or "how it can't work". Thanks mike
 
At the minimum requirements of 3000 psi, and 28 gpm you are going to need 50 hp minimum. The diesel if its in good running condition it will be lucky to make 50 pto hp at 540 pto rpm. Speeding the pto rpm up is going to take more power to run the pump. The mucher once you get all the stuff you need to run it will be close to the weight of the tractor, its going to beat that tractor up (if it could run it) even with a 100 hp skidsteer weighing around twice as much it's still hard on a skidsteer.
 
I'm not quite gripping the 'speeding up the
pto would take more power deal' I thought
using a 1:2 gear box was the "double power
cheat code". So my tractor pto running
540rpm would have 1080 rpm at the other end
of gear box making my tractor more powerful
then what it is so then I hook hydraulic
pump to the "double power" giving the
hydraulic pump what it needs even tho my
tractor doesn't really have it. but this
wouldn't work if there was some back
pressure with no internal relief valve in
pump for the back pressure from mulcher
bogging down cuz it would then bog my
tractor correct? So is there not a safety
back pressure relief valve in hydraulic
system for bog outs?
 
good morning mike, I am no mulcher or tractor expert, but I do own a case 1845c skidsteer and 3 tractors one with a loader. the problem I see that you might run into is that tractor loaders are built a lot lighter than skidsteer loaders big enough to handle a mulcher. the mulcher will be a lot further out in front of the machine on a tractor than it would be on a skidsteer or pupose built mulcher( there is a lot of videos on you tube with skidsteers clearing brush with smaller built mulchers) if you watch those videos mike there is a lot of twist and torque put on the mulcher and machine when it's down in the brush cutting and those are up close to the machine. when you mount that mulcher out at the end of your loader arms it's a lot further out in front and I think that twisting torque would be multiplied by the distance from the tractor, my concern here mike would be doing damage to the loader unit, not so much the tractor. at home here I use a sthil brush saw with a 12" spinning blade at the bottom that hooks to a harness and hangs from a hook at my waist, I just walk along swinging the saw side to side and it will cut up to 3" or 4" trees no problem, bigger trees with the power saw of course.
 
I have one of those forestry weed eater
fs240 with same saw blade it's ok but you
can't just swing threw the 3in stuff haha
takes about 1-2min where as this mulcher
thing cuts like 6 3-4in saplings in seconds
you see the time delima I'm looking for
haha 5 acres of swinging weed eater around
is pretty brutal and my land is rolling
hills. But I look at it as more of a hand
held bushhog cuz my bush hog cuts same size
stuff but not as maneuverable as weedeater
but I've seen videos on YouTube with
tractors having mulchers on loaders with
the rear pto conversion I'm talking about
so I'm just wondering why I can't rig that
up? I do get the loader torque your talking
about that makes sense but if your just
grazing the ground like your mowing
saplings(no bigger then 5in) would it put as much torque I'm
not trying to lift the mulcher higher then
3ft due to weight and definatly not trying to cut trees down jus 5in diamter saplings max but now that you bring
torque into play the higher you have loader
the more torque will be put on it but if
you graze ground for saplings you think it
would still be to much torque on loader?
Thanks mike
 
(quoted from post at 09:31:50 02/18/18) I'm not quite gripping the 'speeding up the
pto would take more power deal' I thought
using a 1:2 gear box was the "double power
cheat code". So my tractor pto running
540rpm would have 1080 rpm at the other end
of gear box making my tractor more powerful
then what it is so then I hook hydraulic
pump to the "double power" giving the
hydraulic pump what it needs even tho my
tractor doesn't really have it. but this
wouldn't work if there was some back
pressure with no internal relief valve in
pump for the back pressure from mulcher
bogging down cuz it would then bog my
tractor correct? So is there not a safety
back pressure relief valve in hydraulic
system for bog outs?



If you were reducing 1000 rpm down to 540 you would have more power available (you are multiplying the available power) power). Gear something down = more power, gear something up = less power. Take a 3 bottom plow going 6"-8" deep in 2-L, then try the same thing with the same tractor but in 2-H, its not going to pull it. That more, or less what you are trying to do.
 
I'll see if I can make this simple enough for you to understand.

Things like tractors have a design parameter where they will operate with a margin of safety. When you exceed those limits you have what's called an accident.

What you are wanting to do exceeds safe operating conditions for that tractor. Not saying it can't be done......it can. Either make the tool small enough for the tractor to safely handle it or if you really need to work that much faster get a bigger tractor.

Gotta remember, never ever violate the 10% safety rule. If the equipment is 10% smarter than you are????? DON'T TOUCH IT!

Rick
 
Ok so I totally get that now. Thanks for
breaking it down like that cuz that's what
I needed haha. but I wasn't aware the
hydraulic pump needed a certain pto hp to
operate at 40gpm pressure I thought the
hydraulic pump just need to be spun to
correct rpm for pressure and pump does the
work via pressurized fluid recirulating
threw the attachment and thought there
would be a relief valve so back pressure
wouldn't be put on machine... but I guess
I'm just gonna have to kill myself clearing
cuz no way in the near future am I gonna be
able to afford a skidsteer capable of this.
maybe these manufacturers will view this
discussion And make a smaller mulcher setup
for smaller tractors... but I guess they
wouldn't make as much money off there big
bad machines then so once again [0 for
consumers; 1 for corporations] thanks again
to everyone who provided great
understandable information. I'm just gonna
stick with hand clearing I guess, against
my better judgement lol
Thanks mike
 
Hey slick dick I mean rick you can keep
your smarta$$ comment to your self why
reply if all you got is crap to say all
other ppl were giving great informative
info seems to me your like one of those ppl
who likes to make others feel stupid cuz
you know more then them guess your
childhood sucked pretty bad or sumthing to
be like that towards others but I'm done
debating with you over me just wanting good
informative info yeah maybe I needed
sumthing broke down to fullest extent to
understand but atleast he broke it down so
i could understand rather then you jus
saying im dumb and need a bigger tractor.
Have a great misrible life and try to be
nice to others just wanting answers on a
site made for questions........................... no
thanks mike
 
(quoted from post at 10:13:46 02/18/18) I have one of those forestry weed eater
fs240 with same saw blade it's ok but you
can't just swing threw the 3in stuff haha
takes about 1-2min where as this mulcher
thing cuts like 6 3-4in saplings in seconds
you see the time delima I'm looking for
haha 5 acres of swinging weed eater around
is pretty brutal and my land is rolling
hills. But I look at it as more of a hand
held bushhog cuz my bush hog cuts same size
stuff but not as maneuverable as weedeater
but I've seen videos on YouTube with
tractors having mulchers on loaders with
the rear pto conversion I'm talking about
so I'm just wondering why I can't rig that
up? I do get the loader torque your talking
about that makes sense but if your just
grazing the ground like your mowing
saplings(no bigger then 5in) would it put as much torque I'm
not trying to lift the mulcher higher then
3ft due to weight and definatly not trying to cut trees down jus 5in diamter saplings max but now that you bring
torque into play the higher you have loader
the more torque will be put on it but if
you graze ground for saplings you think it
would still be to much torque on loader?
Thanks mike
you would have to keep your travel speed as slow as you can mike, in order to get the power you need for the hydraulic unit to power the mulcher your engine rpm is going to have to be nearly full throttle, the question then comes how slow is the lowest granny gear you have on that tractor? will it be slow enough to creep through the brush and still maintain high enough rpm for the mulcher? the slower you can travel the less torque and stress on the loader. kind of like the "monk and the bell rope scenario" do's your tractor have a live pto? if so you can slow it down on the clutch, kind of like when your baling and coming into a big swath to creep though. mike take your tractor out for a drive, put it in the lowest gear and range, 3/4 to full throttle and see what your travel speed is, you will have a good idea if it's going to be ok or if it's too fast. keeping in mind the rpm has to be kept up there for the mulcher to do it job. you will also have to be feather light on the controls and steering, as that mulcher will be a lot further out in front of you and any sudden movements will have that mulcher swinging all over.
 
mike I was just cruising through tractor data and it says the draw bar hp rating on your mf 3165 is 43 hp, the weight is 4400 lbs, now yours having a loader and weighted tires I would guess the weight would be at close to 6000. lbs. i'm going to do a search and see if there is a smaller mulcher rated for a 40hp or less machine, the 70" ones I have been able to find all want 85 to 100 hp driving them. I did see a video where one guy took a 5 ft. brush hog took out the pto drive, installed a hydraulic drive with the same 2 blade system, put a skidsteer quick attach on it and it seemed to work well. skidsteer was a 45 hp bobcat. you would have to rig up mounts to fit your loader arms. I will try and find the video. the critical part here is to find a brush hog or mulcher that is rated at or a little less than your 3165.
 
sorry mike, looking through my post forgot to mention they guy with the bobcat and brushhog had gone in before hand and had cut anything 3" and over down and skidded them out to a pile, what he was cutting was from the size of your little finger up to 2 &amp;1/2". you could see the stumps as he was going along. john.
 
I'm not quite gripping the 'speeding up the pto would take more power deal' I thought
using a 1:2 gear box was the "double power
cheat code". So my tractor pto running
540rpm would have 1080 rpm at the other end
of gear box making my tractor more powerful
then what it is so then I hook hydraulic
pump to the "double power" giving the
hydraulic pump what it needs even tho my
tractor doesn't really have it.

Power is power. The speed doubler on the PTO doubles the RPM while at the same time the usable torque is halved. There is no magic "double power cheat code".

In reality since the engine power has to overcome the friction of the bearings, seals, gears, and lubricant in the doubler you "lose" some of the power. That "lost" power is realized as heat in the gearbox. Plan on at least a 5% loss in power though that doubler.
 
Hey thanks for the info I did have a probably easier questions about something.... could I hook up a bucket truck hydraulic saw to my loaders controls like inline threw the beyond ? And if so could I hook a quick coupler right to it and then add a tee for return coupler?
Thanks mike
 

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So I couldn't give up on the "easy way" clearing land....what do ya think about this on the tractor loader and the flow rate here would work with my tractor as is but on the lower (17gpm)side but if I went forward with the pto hydraulic pump I could still get 20gpm with my 540rpm pto and this attachment is under 1000lbs so I would assume the loader could handle much better and tractor wouldn't be weighted so much in front. Let me know what ya think about this idea cuz I pretty much gave up on the mulcher idea for my tractor anyway....
Thanks mike
 
$6k would buy you at least 3 weeks rental on a 25k lb excavator around here. You don't end up with an attachment for the tractor at the end of the job though. You would be able to do a much better job with the excavator than a tractorand pile all the brush and trees much easier.

You could probably find a guy with an excavator to do the job for you in less time and money than the cost of that attachment.
 
A machine like that is going to be rough on the loader and tractor frame. Every time the saw blade snags on something, and it will snag A LOT, it will jerk the loader frame sideways. Tractor loaders are not built as heavy as skidsteer loaders. Loaders are an afterthought add-on on a tractor, but are integral parts of a skidsteer.

You're still going to need a PTO pump because the onboards won't have the pressure to run the saw effectively. Yes, it has the GPM but it requires BOTH pressure and GPM to make power.

There are online calculators available to use to find out how many HP it will take to run a specific pressure and GPM. In the case of 17GPM and 3000PSI, that's 30HP. Power transmission is not 100% efficient so it will probably take every bit of your 3165's 50-ish HP.
 
Ok well once again my hopes and dreams are let down...lol well anyway besides the overpowered attachment talk how about hooking a bucket truck hydraulic saw to loader hydraulics is this possible? And if so how exactly should it be plumbed in? Thanks for all the info on my hopes and dreams, they needed the truth even tho I didn't really wanna hear it haha. But like I said not gonna be in market for skidsteer anytime soon just wanted to make sure my tractor couldn't handle anything easier for clearing but she is just gonna have to stick to the normal tractor duties....
thanks mike
 
And to the rental/hire suggestion I just can't see myself forking over that much for a service im just not that kind of person. I like to pay for for equipment that can be used over and over I've also been thinking 6000 could buy a fixer upper small dozer that I'm sure could just push the 4in and down saplings down and then I could shape land also lol I'm more of a two birds one stone kinda guy you could say lol and I don't mind buying older equipment that just need tlc to work great that's how you get them deals im only 25 and mechanically inclined so I don't mind learning how my rig works before being able to use it been there done that with '72 c50 dump truck,'84 whisper chipper,'85 f600bucket truck, and of coarse the mf3165 tractor. so i dont think a small bulldozer needing tlc would be to much for me to handle defininalty would be one notch up tho lol
 
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So I couldn't give up on the "easy way" clearing land....what do ya think about this on the tractor loader and the flow rate here would work with my tractor as is but on the lower (17gpm)side but if I went forward with the pto hydraulic pump I could still get 20gpm with my 540rpm pto and this attachment is under 1000lbs so I would assume the loader could handle much better and tractor wouldn't be weighted so much in front. Let me know what ya think about this idea cuz I pretty much gave up on the mulcher idea for my tractor anyway....
Thanks mike
good afternoon mike, a couple of suggestions on that saw setup, call the people who make it and ask if it will handle the job, and if your 3165 with external pto driven pump will have enough power and flow. did you do the travel speed test in low low with 3/4 throttle or pto speed setting? and how did it come out? john
 
another suggestion mike if it will work for your brushing job, you can maybe hire out yourself, tractor with saw to do brush clearing for neighbors if it works well. that way you can recoup some investment. BUT DON'T LOAN OR RENT IT OUT!
 
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So I couldn't give up on the "easy way" clearing land....what do ya think about this on the tractor loader and the flow rate here would work with my tractor as is but on the lower (17gpm)side but if I went forward with the pto hydraulic pump I could still get 20gpm with my 540rpm pto and this attachment is under 1000lbs so I would assume the loader could handle much better and tractor wouldn't be weighted so much in front. Let me know what ya think about this idea cuz I pretty much gave up on the mulcher idea for my tractor anyway....
Thanks mike


3 point, 540 pto drive tree saw (would be better if you have a tractor with hydrostatic drive) but it still beat lugging around a chain saw http://www.turbosaw.com/tractor.php
 
Hello John, I actually did talk to the ppl over the phone and they said it would work for the smaller stuff and the larger stuff would be a little much for tractor but the attachment can handle it and I'm guessing they meant the loader strength by saying tractor would be weaker cuz I explained the pto pump thing and he said he knows ppl that done that with tractors and it would work as long as the gpm and pressure was there but im just worried about the loader breaking that would be terrible...... but my tractor runs 1.61mph in 1st gear low range I'm looking in my operator manual .....doing sum repairs on tractor at the moment so cant test pto thing but according to my manuals it's a live pto not exactly sure on the meaning of that I just know it has a lever on left side to engage but that doesn't like to work I usually shut off and engage then start up while engaged but have done some clutch adjustment since so it might work better once I finish up other stuff...
 
And yes John it did run threw my head of hiring out once my job is done and I feel it's safe to hire out haha. But I would never loan/rent out a piece of equipment like this maybe a plow or blade but nothing as delicate as this. But I'm just worried about the loader handling the torque output I mean if I use for just 4in and down I feel it would handle and obviously bigger stuff not so much and hell if I can handle 4in and down I could hire out til it's paid for itself then a nice down payment on a skidsteer that would love this thing on the front of it lol
 
mike I would go in and fall everything 3" and up, skid it out of the way to your firewood pile, and then go in with the brush saw. having a live pto is a huge bonus, what a live pto means mike is once it's engaged by your lever and the pto is turning, you can step on the clutch to slow down or stop and the pto will keep spinning at 540 rpm, my case 310b 30hp. do's not have a live pto and when I tried baling with it (not enough tractor for a baler) every time I stepped on the clutch to slow down for a big pile of hay both the tractor and baler would stop :evil: cleaned out a few plugs in the baler :lol: got a Minneapolis Moline m5 65hp with live pto and amplitorque tranny, a dream to bale with. as to the tractor speed in 1st low at 1.6 you should be ok with the live pto as you can ease the clutch and the saw will still be spinning at rated rpm.
 
mike I would go in and fall everything 3" and up, skid it out of the way to your firewood pile, and then go in with the brush saw. having a live pto is a huge bonus, what a live pto means mike is once it's engaged by your lever and the pto is turning, you can step on the clutch to slow down or stop and the pto will keep spinning at 540 rpm, my case 310b 30hp. do's not have a live pto and when I tried baling with it (not enough tractor for a baler) every time I stepped on the clutch to slow down for a big pile of hay both the tractor and baler would stop :evil: cleaned out a few plugs in the baler :lol: got a Minneapolis Moline m5 65hp with live pto and amplitorque tranny, a dream to bale with. as to the tractor speed in 1st low at 1.6 you should be ok with the live pto as you can ease the clutch and the saw will still be spinning at rated rpm.
 
And to the rental/hire suggestion I just can't see myself forking over that much for a service im just not that kind of person. I like to pay for for equipment that can be used over and over ....

I understand for sure. Just wanted to throw that out there in case you had not considered.

3 years ago a big windstorm blew down a bunch of trees on my place and the neighbor just south of me. He hired a man with a mid sized Doosan excavator to clean up his place. While I tackled mine with the tractor. In ~5 hours he got done what took me and one of my sons ~4 days. Made enough of an impression on me that I recently bought a small excavator :).
 
Thank you again John for not letting me give up this idea haha everyone else kinda has me worried I don't have the power or I don't have the sturdyness I need and your talking me threw it on how I can make it work for me haha love ppl like you but this is one thing I'm confused on that was discussed earlier with hp to hydraulic flow.?.?.?.

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These are the specs for the pto hydraulic pump I was looking at and the arrow I put is where I feel I can make this work power wise no problem, if someone can explain to of how this is not what it seems please do explain... Thanks mike
 
And if I were to do the 1:2gear box between pto and pump I could get the 1080rpm for the 40gpm and I under stand that doing that cuts my hp in half so say I have 45hp@540 rpm then that would put me at 22.5hp@1000rpm for the 40gpm rating. I see that I would be lacking 6.5 hp but wouldn't that still give me more power with hydraulics then if I were running it at 20gpm rating ? My crazy thought process tells me since I'm lacking 6.5 hp I'd be running at more like 30gpm ish correct me if my mind is crazy haha cuz I'm not a pro at this but do think outside the box. And possibly to far outta the box haha.
Thanks mike
 
And if I were able to make this work john, my plan would be to make enough money with the setup hiring out (after my needs are complete) to then buy a skidsteer to handle it safer and with more power to make even more money to pay the skid steer off and of coarse then have a big bad machine to do even more heavier duty doings lol
 
Hmmm havnt seen these yet looks like it would work my only thought is how well does it cut threw saplings, it doesn't look very wide(cutting area) if there was something like this with out the side guards and made guards onto where it hooks to 3pt linkage so sapling thickets could be murderd cuz I got 4in and down saplings growing on top of another, deer can't even walk threw them hardly. The picture on the site and video just show cutting 6in ish trees and pulling them off which I like that but I don't think it will be as effective in my growth im in Midwest humid as swamp and hot summers and lots of rain so trees don't grow as sparcly as in that video here I wish my problem was a cedar tree here or there. I got sassafrass trees galore mixed with black cherry saplings, briars, hickory saplings, vines, 6in plus oaks, and 6in plus hickorys. so what I think happend is it was logged years ago they let oaks and hickorys and black cherry I guess grow galore then maintained to certain good trees once they were 15ft tall (4-5in or so diameter) for a timber stand and only maintained for less then 5 year after in between those trees then new owner got it and let everything between grow up to the 15ft sapling stage in between 25-30 ft (said to be timber stand) and screwed the first person who logged it idea and now we are trying to fix the previous owners neglect to the owner before's plan haha and this is all thrown together ideas but if you get what I mean you should know what kind of thicket I'm talking about now. This is why I liked the hydraulic attachment cuz it was wider cutting path.... but if they made that hydraulic attachment hook to 3pt/pto and provided shield above 3pt linkage it would be the golden ticket I'm looking for lol "please Willy wonka where is it at lmao".
 
If they made something like a bushhog but instead of blades swinging a big saw blade and cut the bushhog deck (behind gear box area)allowing for saplings/trees to be cut but you would need the pusher to keep stuff from falling your way as it was cut. Anyone seen this idea out there maybe I should patent it lol jk
 
Ok so I found it.... the stumpster tree hog "u toob" it.... my thoughts tho on this , i think it would be much cheaper if i just bought a bushhog and removed the blades and attached the tree saw replacement blade to gear box and cut rear of deck out to allow (saplings in my case)to be cut by the blade what do you all think about this and if a slip clutch was installed to gearbox then to pto it should work great without issues right? And they are cutting 10in trees with tractor looks a bit bigger then mine but I'm jus wanting to cut 4in and down and if I can make the tree saw blade(750bucks) work on a old 3pt bushhog
(200-300bucks) then slip clutch (100bucks)then I would have the stumpster for the "hillbilly rigup" price of 1500 bucks or so plus my riggery time.... any thoughts on this crazy idea of mine lol
 
(quoted from post at 17:50:05 02/21/18) Ok so I found it.... the stumpster tree hog "u toob" it.... my thoughts tho on this , i think it would be much cheaper if i just bought a bushhog and removed the blades and attached the tree saw replacement blade to gear box and cut rear of deck out to allow (saplings in my case)to be cut by the blade what do you all think about this and if a slip clutch was installed to gearbox then to pto it should work great without issues right? And they are cutting 10in trees with tractor looks a bit bigger then mine but I'm jus wanting to cut 4in and down and if I can make the tree saw blade(750bucks) work on a old 3pt bushhog
(200-300bucks) then slip clutch (100bucks)then I would have the stumpster for the "hillbilly rigup" price of 1500 bucks or so plus my riggery time.... any thoughts on this crazy idea of mine lol


The Turbosaw has a slip clutch on the pto, the "stumpster" with the hydraulic cylinders to move the blade instead of having to back the tractor into the tree is a good idea.
 

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