Re: Giant tractor show... many many pics!

Great photos!!!

Really enjoy seeing machines that we can't see
here.

What a monstrous belt pulley on that green beast
with a red seat (photo is shot from the back).

I like the Deuliewag and the Lantz tractors too.
 
Hi, very interesting to see machines that
we are not familiar with. Good on you for
posting these photos. Ed will 5.4c - 6:30am
Pst oliver bc
 
(quoted from post at 07:12:20 02/13/15) Any "houtgas trekkers" ?

There are only very few Holzgas tractors still in existance. The black Schlüter tractor may have been one in ist "former life" .

I own a Lanz Bulldog hot bulb tractor that was made as an Holzgas tractor in 1942. Almost all Holzgas devices were scrapped after WWII.
 
Hot bulb is like a glow plug, but in the combustion chamber, like a model air plane engine. It provides the "heat" to fire the compressed fuel/air mixture.
 
(quoted from post at 07:22:12 02/13/15) Also great photos!

What does "hot bulb" refer to?

Thanks for posting.

Hot bulb means a pre-heated area integrated in the cylinder head. Diesel fuel is injected onto that area for combustion. Hot bulb engines have an ultra low compression ratio, so that hot bulb area must be pre heated by a blow torch before starting.

Lanz Bulldog (See "Zündkopf" for hot bulb):
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Blow torch underneath the hot bulb before starting:
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Thank you for posting your very interesting pictures.Obvious quality and workmanship. Interesting leaf spring front ends on the Eichers. Would like to hear a Lanz Bulldog running some day. Does the exhaust stack act as an expansion chamber?
 
This is what Wikipedia says about hot bulb engines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_bulb_engine

(quoted from post at 08:12:28 02/13/15) Thank you for posting your very interesting pictures.Obvious quality and workmanship. Interesting leaf spring front ends on the Eichers. Would like to hear a Lanz Bulldog running some day. Does the exhaust stack act as an expansion chamber?

You are always welcome to my home. I would be pleased to start my Lanz up for you...:lol:
Until then, have a look at YouTube. There are hundreds of Videos of startig and working Lanz Bulldogs´.

And yes, I think the exhaust stack was meant to act like an Expansion chamber. I know that Lanz engineers always spent much time in developing the exhaust stacks.
 
Hi, very interesting to see machines that
we are not familiar with. Good on you for
posting these photos. Ed will 5.4c - 6:30am
Pst oliver bc
 

Great pictures. We can see John Deere "Reihenkulturen" anytime here. Are the American made tractors real common there?
 
Antique American Tractors are rare in Germany, because they have never been exported to Germany. Nowadays, only few collectors lik me got the "US tractor bug" because of the German law. It is very complicated to get an US tractor road legal over here. all tractors have to have light (including turning lights), independent brakes, fenders, and so on. I was successful in getting my John Deere R and my Oliver Super 88 Diesel road legal, but it was not easy at all.

Collectors in Belgium or the Netherlands have no problems with that. This why there are so many antique US tractors in Belgium or the Netherlands.
 
Thanks for all the great pictures. I thought we Americans were the only ones silly enough to throw good money into old tractors.

Frank
 
(quoted from post at 16:42:47 02/13/15) Antique American Tractors are rare in Germany, because they have never been exported to Germany. Nowadays, only few collectors lik me got the "US tractor bug" because of the German law. It is very complicated to get an US tractor road legal over here. all tractors have to have light (including turning lights), independent brakes, fenders, and so on. I was successful in getting my John Deere R and my Oliver Super 88 Diesel road legal, but it was not easy at all.

Collectors in Belgium or the Netherlands have no problems with that. This why there are so many antique US tractors in Belgium or the Netherlands.

If that kind of law was passed here most farmers would be Scheiße aus Glück heraus. It would be a tough law to enforce though.
 
Hi Hendrik, thanks for the great pictures. Here in the UK I attend many shows here in the UK doing the commentry for the ring parade. Do you get to the UK tractor shows at all?. MJ.
 
(quoted from post at 17:27:23 02/13/15)
would be Scheiße aus Glück heraus. It would be a tough law to enforce though.

:lol: :lol:
Yes, you have to feel sorry for us...
Do you have to scrounge the parts for the tractor lights/directional signals, or is there a kit you can buy? If there is a need for something like this someone should develop and sell these kits.

Believe it or not a descendant of mine held the first patent for directional signals on automobiles. He had lived in California in the late 1900's to early 1920's. He worked as a chauffeur and must have seen a need for directional signals. He tried to sell the patent to car manufactures, but the idea was ahead of the times. The patent rights ran out, and later on Buick used his design for the first directional signals to be used on the automobile. so ist das Leben.
 
Yes, my Dad ran several units in Holland during the war. He built one here from memory ( on an E27N Fordson) in the 1980's which I still take to shows now and then.
My Uncles in Holland agree on the capabilities of the Hanomag tractor; they have a couple in their collection, smaller models.
Thanks for the pictures!
Ben
 
(quoted from post at 10:07:12 02/13/15) Hi Hendrik, thanks for the great pictures. Here in the UK I attend many shows here in the UK doing the commentry for the ring parade. Do you get to the UK tractor shows at all?. MJ.

MJ, many Germans love to have a trip to the Great Dorset Steam fair. I've been there in 2008 and I am sure to visit it again (and again and aigain and again...)
 
(quoted from post at 10:29:27 02/13/15)
(quoted from post at 17:27:23 02/13/15)
would be Scheiße aus Glück heraus. It would be a tough law to enforce though.

:lol: :lol:
Yes, you have to feel sorry for us...
Do you have to scrounge the parts for the tractor lights/directional signals, or is there a kit you can buy? If there is a need for something like this someone should develop and sell these kits.

Believe it or not a descendant of mine held the first patent for directional signals on automobiles. He had lived in California in the late 1900's to early 1920's. He worked as a chauffeur and must have seen a need for directional signals. He tried to sell the patent to car manufactures, but the idea was ahead of the times. The patent rights ran out, and later on Buick used his design for the first directional signals to be used on the automobile. so ist das Leben.

Ja, so ist das Leben!

The easiest way is to take out all the original lighting stuff out of the US tractors and built it up from the beginning. It's worthless to try to mix the American way (cut our relay, positive earth, sealed beam etc) with the German way. I tried it on my JD R and I will never do it again. For example, we have to have a hazard flashing light, but that won't work with positive earth.
 
(quoted from post at 19:48:43 02/13/15)
(quoted from post at 10:29:27 02/13/15)
(quoted from post at 17:27:23 02/13/15)
would be Scheiße aus Glück heraus. It would be a tough law to enforce though.

:lol: :lol:
Yes, you have to feel sorry for us...
Do you have to scrounge the parts for the tractor lights/directional signals, or is there a kit you can buy? If there is a need for something like this someone should develop and sell these kits.

Believe it or not a descendant of mine held the first patent for directional signals on automobiles. He had lived in California in the late 1900's to early 1920's. He worked as a chauffeur and must have seen a need for directional signals. He tried to sell the patent to car manufactures, but the idea was ahead of the times. The patent rights ran out, and later on Buick used his design for the first directional signals to be used on the automobile. so ist das Leben.

Ja, so ist das Leben!

The easiest way is to take out all the original lighting stuff out of the US tractors and built it up from the beginning. It's worthless to try to mix the American way (cut ourj relay, positive earth, sealed beam etc) with the German way. I tried it on my JD R and I will never do it again. For example, we have to have a hazard flashing light, but that won't work with positive earth.

Unless you want to keep the tractors completely original, you can switch the electrical system from positive ground to negative ground. We do it all the time here.
 
Hendrik, do you know of the niederschwaben area of northern baden-wurttemberg in the reutlingen district? Small towns Genkingen or Gonningen? I know it's a big country, but it never hurts to ask. Family tree grows there! Email is open. P.S. I may or may not be related "Ulrich" of bavarian football fame!
 
Hendrick, I'm interested to know, on the big
Hanomag GR50 tractors, what are the springs for
I'm seeing inside the center of the rear wheels
between the spokes? And thanks for posting these
pictures and comments on each. These are
wonderful to see!
 
Very interesting pictures, Hendrick.Brought back memories of an antique tractor show I visited in Fraunfeld, Switzerland last spring. Have you ever attended that show? I really enjoyed that show.... just wished I could have talked with some of the farmers there. (language problems!)
Again, nice pix!!
 
(quoted from post at 21:29:05 02/13/15) Hendrick, I'm interested to know, on the big
Hanomag GR50 tractors, what are the springs for
I'm seeing inside the center of the rear wheels
between the spokes? And thanks for posting these
pictures and comments on each. These are
wonderful to see!

These are called "Blitzgreifer". You will know how these work by these pictures:

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Come on over to the US this fall; you will find many, many shows in August & September.
Lake Region Pioneer Threshermen will be featuring International Harvester this year; Sept.11,12,13.
IH Collector chapters 15 & 26 will be joining us!!
Should be a great show!

Call 218.77zero.46two3.
 
Noticed the hand crank on Hanomag RD36 and others. Bet manual starting a diesel would really be a trick! What mounted to the bracket located on the right front of the engine?
 
More nice looking tractors.

Sure is good to see these different makes and models.

Thanks for sharing your photos with us.
 
Thank you very much for posting these great pictures. This as close as most of us will ever get to going to these shows.

I also liked the video of the tractor "ring" . Really neat. My Grand son was convinced that it would fall off the ring as it went up. LOL

What happened to the Hanomag Company???

I saw where you said that a certain model had troubles and helped the demise of the company. Any more information???
 
That 1961 Hanomag R450 EL tractor is one rugged looking
machine. I always look at the ones I have never seen the most.
Thanks for posting.
 
(quoted from post at 07:04:59 02/14/15) Where there no old Deutz tractors at this show?

Well... yes, at least 500 of them. I have to say that I'm not a Deutz fan... so I didn't take any pictures of them.
Deutz will be the featured make of the 2015 Nordhorn tractor show, so I will take some pictures.
 
(quoted from post at 07:26:24 02/14/15) Noticed the hand crank on Hanomag RD36 and others. Bet manual starting a diesel would really be a trick! What mounted to the bracket located on the right front of the engine?

The pre war Hanomag Diesel tractor had a lever that engaged a decompression system. Other German makes had a decompression system and kind of a "cigarette" you screwed into the combustion chamber that lightened up while starting.
See this video with me starting up my Allgaier Diesel tractor.
http://youtu.be/vGJgnrU5yRQ

The bracket on the right hand sinde of the Hanomag engine held the generator.
 
(quoted from post at 10:41:27 02/14/15)

What happened to the Hanomag Company???

I saw where you said that a certain model had troubles and helped the demise of the company. Any more information???

Hanomag was the largest tractor manufacturer in Germany in 1954. Many farmers bought their new 2-stroke Diesel tractors R12 (12 hp) and R24 (24 hp) because they were all-new and cheap and all-pupose. The supercharged engine had almost no torque and was oil slobbering all the time. And it didn't sound like farmers expect a strong tractor should sound.
Here is a video of my 1954 R12:
http://youtu.be/Jq0za9qgstU

So Hanomag sales decreased heavily. They switched back over to their well-known 4-stroke engines in 1957, but it was too late. Many farmers had already bought smooth and powerful running McCormicks, Fendts, Massey Fergusons and so on.
Hanomag made tractors until 1969. The last Hanomag tractors were powerful high quality tractors, but they were not as cheap as foreign makes. So Hanomag switched over to produce crawlers, small trucks, loaders and other heavy construction machinery. In the 1990s, Hanomag was bought by Komatsu.
 
Not too many masseys around me. Can you explain the
brake thing? What is wrong with them for Germany?
Thanks for all the great pics.
 
The Pony's take me back a LONG ways. Dad traded a John Deere A for one with hydraulics,a snow plow and a bunch of mounted tools. He bolted a block to the clutch pedal so I could reach it and plow snow with it.
 
(quoted from post at 05:51:32 02/17/15) Not too many masseys around me. Can you explain the
brake thing? What is wrong with them for Germany?
Thanks for all the great pics.

OK, I'll try.

The MF V8 have a Transmission based parking brake. And a hydraulic rear wheel brake that only works when the engine is running. Am I right?
These are not legal for tractors that were built after 1960. in Germany, These tractors have to have two independent brake systems. The rear wheel brake has to work all the time, even if the engine does not run.
The parking brake has to act like rear wheel brakes. This is for situation when you are driving your tractor and the rear wheel brakes fail, you still have the parking brake to stop securely.

Please note that in Germany tractors drive 90% of their daily ways on regular roads. So it's obvious they have to have all the hazard lights, hi-lo beams, turning lights, independent brakes and so on.
 
Hi Hendrik, great pictures. The big tractor rally at Newby Hall in Yorkshire is featuring Massey Harris, Ferguson and MF tractors this year. They are going to try to get 100 grey Fergusons together. I do the ring commentry for them every year. You must come and see us, it is on the 6th and 7th of June. MJ
 
(quoted from post at 11:06:38 02/17/15) Hendrik, just how giant was this tractor show? Is it an annual event? Where was it held?

Please see page 3 of this thread. It's an annual show in Nordhorn, North-western Germany. Just right at the Dutch German border.
More than 2,000 tractors every year!
 
Boy what tiny little combines! Cute as a button. I have seen how small they are in Japan for rice fields. Can carry one in my little 5x8 trailer!
 
My dad operated such in Holland during the war and actually prefered field work over stationary work since the motion of the tractor would keep the wood moving down in the gasifier and prevent it from bridging. When threshing, if the tractor started missing, he would have to quicjkly open the gasifier and poke the wood down with a long bar. I guess you needed alot of patience to operate one.

Enjoy your pictures!

Ben
 
Looks like an Imbert style. The one my dad built here incorporated a car heater blower fan to eliminate all that cranking!

Ben
 
(quoted from post at 03:30:13 09/06/15) How ingenious! This was factory built by Fahr?
Thank you so much for posting these pictures.

All these Wood gas tractors made between 1942 and 1945 have been factory made. Many German tractor manufacturer built these like this Fahr. The design of these wood gas tractors was set up by the German Nazi government. They made a law that said that only wood gas tractors (and cars and trucks!) were allowed to be produced. All the liquid fuel was held back for the German Wehrmacht those days.
 
Don't know what the steering ratio is, but it looks like it would have been either hard to steer or the steering had a real slow response time.
 
Great pics, but looking at that tractor, in 1927 I think I would have gone with a Fordson or Deere or McCormick or Case or Oliver....

Ben
 
(quoted from post at 14:07:11 09/18/15) Great pics, but looking at that tractor, in 1927 I think I would have gone with a Fordson or Deere or McCormick or Case or Oliver....

Ben

Ben,
did Fordson, Deere, McCormick, Case or Oliver make Diesel tractors in 1927?

By the way, John Deere tractors weren't sold in Germany until the 1960s, Olivers have never been sold over here.

Hendrik
 
(quoted from post at 15:38:01 09/18/15) With those wheels, was it a road or industral tractor? Very nice!!

joe

Yes, this seems to have been an industrial version. Cast steel wheels were available too.
The Deutz MTH 222 Diesel tractor was never meant to pull a plow or other implements on the field. It was more likely a "self-propelled stationary engine" that was able to pull machinery (like a threshing machine) from farm to farm.

Like this:
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Hendrik
 
Thank you for posting these. I spent 3 years in your country in the early 1970's, We traveled thru the countryside for many kilo's and never saw anything looking close to them
 
Great fotos, Thank you for posting.
On the MTZ220 with winch, how does the attachment to the rear draw bar work??
 
You probably told, but I missed or forgot, What era are these units from? Pre WW2, or after the war? 1930s maybe? They look in good shape for that age.
 
Hi hendrik, always like to see these old tractors,
even though they they are not seen around here in
the real state. Thanks for the interesting posts.ed
will oliver bc canada
 
(quoted from post at 10:37:47 10/05/15) You probably told, but I missed or forgot, What era are these units from? Pre WW2, or after the war? 1930s maybe? They look in good shape for that age.

Deutz MTH 222: 14 hp, 1926-1927
Deutz MTZ 120: 27 hp, 1927-1929
Deutz MTH 220: 33 hp, 1929-1933
Deutz MTH 320: 36 hp, 1933-1935

Hendrik
 
Thank you for posting them. I always thought they were all air cooled. Neat pictures. What is the top speed on the road tractor?
 
Top pic on the right what is the model in the white shorts looks pretty new and in good shape no restoration was needed
 
What is that big round thing on the left side of the tractors? Is it some type of starting arrangement? How would it work?
 
Yes its always nice to have a nice backgroud on any pic of a tractor or lots of other stuff as sometimes we arent interested in the subject thats where the background come in to play.
 
There is a totally different evolution of engineering between there and here...it's interesting to see...
 
Hendrick, where in Germany. My wife and I are traveling to Germany to see our son and family. We're looking for something farm related when we
get there. Son lives near Baden Baden. I would love to see a MAN tractor also.
 
(quoted from post at 08:39:14 10/08/15) Thank you for posting them. I always thought they were all air cooled. Neat pictures. What is the top speed on the road tractor?

Only the top speed of the later MTH road tractors differed from the agricultural tractors. The ag tractors had a top Speed of about 3 mph, road tractors had a max. speed of about 8-9 mph.
 
(quoted from post at 09:17:13 10/08/15) What is that big round thing on the left side of the tractors? Is it some type of starting arrangement? How would it work?

It's mostly the same like on many ther antique tractors: clutch, belt pulley and chain drive to the transmission.
Deutz MTZ and MTH tractors have always been started on the right side.
 
(quoted from post at 19:37:21 10/08/15) Hendrick, where in Germany. My wife and I are traveling to Germany to see our son and family. We're looking for something farm related when we
get there. Son lives near Baden Baden. I would love to see a MAN tractor also.

This tractor show is located in Nordhorn:
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Which is, as you can see, just at the German-Dutch border.

Here's the announcement for 2016:
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Some other very interesting locations in Germany to see antique tractors are:

http://www.deutsches-traktorenmuseum.de/de/
http://www.traktormuseum.de/de/

Hendrik
 
Funny how as much as we all like tractors I too was thinking EXACTLY the same thing ! LOL.
 
I had no idea Deutz has been around that long.

How do you say the name properly ? Around here in Ohio some say it with more of a Dootz with O sound or OY to it and others Duutz with a U sound to it. Maybe both are wrong ?
 
Hey thank you for these pictures. I knew that germany made tractors. The line was interesting in the models. Such as PORSCH was a style type very air space looking. I have seen one or two her in the U.S.A then came the Bull Dog never seen one but heard stories about that brand. Then I think the brand of Lantz was in that group. To be it is interresting what type of cars and equipment you have in that Country.
 
My tractor club has it's plow day this Saturday in south Central Texas. Wish I had a jacket and hat like the fellow is wearing to plow. Keep posting any more pics you
have.
 
Interesting. Thank you for sharing. I worked on a hog farm northeast of Hannover back in 1986. Nobody had Deutz in the area. We had mostly Fendt, and one farmer was using a Unimog.

Is there an active market for these old tractors? Can you still find and restore them?
 
Thank you for sharing these great pictures. I spent 3 years in your beautiful country in the early
1970's. I believe some of my neighbors were using some of these same models or similar tractors
while I was there. They always had a friendly smile and a wave for a farm kid from the US. again
Thank You!
 
(quoted from post at 14:32:40 11/11/15) Interesting. Thank you for sharing. I worked on a hog farm northeast of Hannover back in 1986. Nobody had Deutz in the area. We had mostly Fendt, and one farmer was using a Unimog.

Is there an active market for these old tractors? Can you still find and restore them?

Antique tractors are big business over here in Europe. Barn finds are still possible but I think you won't find rarities like these Deutz MTH or MTZ anymore.

I am very surprised that so many of you folks have already been (and working!) in Germany. I like that!

Hendrik
 
Hi Hendrik, great pictures. We new it as BAOR British Army Of The Rhine. Had our big tractor show here in England at Newark with over 900 entries. I am one of the orgernisers so I was kept very buisey all weekend. MJ
 
Hendrik,

Love the red road tractor with cab. Really enjoy seeing this pictures from your side of the world.

That plate with the shift pattern looks like it could be a real shin-banger or knee-knocker... but maybe it just looks that way due to the angle the photo was taken from.
 
Thank you, I appreciate your time and effort, I don't always reply, but I always enjoy your pictures, and appreciate your time and effort.
 
Hi, very interesting to see tractors foreign to us.
Thanks for sharing photos. Ed will oliver bc
 
OUR RUSSKY YAK 52 AEROPLANE HAD AIR EVERYTHING...START, BRAKES, FLAPS, LANDING GEAR RETRACT...700 PSI AIR...ALWAYS STARTS ON COLD WINTER DAY, SIBERIA...1 HR 3/4 GAS, SO U DONT THINK TO FLEE MOTHERLAND...ALWAYS WORKED, OR USE SCUBA BOTTLE TO RECHARGE...BE BLESSED, GRATEFUL, PREPARED, NIK
 
wow where are you from i assume siberia ya it gets really cold there i never knew at all that you could work it that way
 
Thanks for the pictures. I always enjoy seeing tractors from other places besides the US and Canada. But then I enjoy seeing them too.
 
Four is NOT many many pics!!!!!!!!! ...100 is many many pics. So you still owe us 96 pics!!!!

Schnell
 
Hendik I spent two years in Crailsheim from 1969- 1971 and I can remember seeing a lot of tractors like the first kombi with the box up in front.
 
Please keep the pictures coming. I spent 3+ years in your beautiful country and see some pictures
of tractors that bring back memories of friends I will never see again. Thank You. Tom
 
Can you put the HP of the tractor in the photo if you know them.It would help gauge the tractor with photo. Just my ideal. Thanks
 
(quoted from post at 06:39:05 08/19/16) Can you put the HP of the tractor in the photo if you know them.It would help gauge the tractor with photo. Just my ideal. Thanks

Sir, that's a good idea. I'll try to remember next time.

Hendrik
 
Very cool pictures. The Lantz would be my favorite. One was at Penfield 2-3 years ago that was nice. You don't see many of the early non-states tractors here.
 
I wish I could have been there , your pictures really show
a different approach at what Americans think a tractor
looks like, some of those shown are really different from
what we see here. Thanks for posting .
 
Yes thanks, we may not always say that, but THanks!! Sure do like those European / German IH tractors.
 
Thanks, some extremely cool tractors. Thank you. That first picture showing the spring-loaded front axle, is a great idea. Wish all my tractors had that spring feature.
 
Nice pictures! I especially love that so many are in their original looking condition. I remember growing up on a Farmall Regular (my dad's was on rubber) and the oil filter tells me that regular was one of the last "regulars" made. Thanks for the nice pictures. kelly
 
Once again, Hendrik, great photos.

I had no idea that so many US made tractors were sole in Europe back in the day. Were they imported or built locally?

Dean
 
(quoted from post at 10:25:40 11/09/16) What part of Germany are you in, Hendrik? I was just there in September visiting my daughter, son-in-law and grandkids in Erlangen.

Mike, I'm in the north-western part of Germany, near Bremen. Not far away from the North sea shore.

Hendrik
 
Hendrik: Thanks again for keeping me up to speed on machines I didn't know existed! Can you explain the spelling of this type of tractors name?
 
There must be some way to get the PC to display the dots over the letter "U" in the tractor name. U-umlaut the umlauted form of "U" somehow modifies the pronunciation of the letter "U". Been a long time since German in high school.
 
Hendrik, enjoyable as always. Nice to see tractors that we didn't know even existed. Thanks for the tour and keep them coming.
 
Hendrik, thanks for posting tractors that most of us will only see because someone took the time to post them. Again thanks.
 
500 HP in 1978? Wow. V12 turbo too. Would like to see one in action, but since are 1978, my guess is they've done their share, time to take it easy, show up at the parties and look at the up and coming youngsters. I was stationed in Germany in the early to mid-80's and used to see tractors out in the fields, nothing that huge though. I loved Deutschland when I was there. Some kind of place to be proud of and I truly loved it. I was stationed in Mannheim and about 1/2 way through my tour of duty got an apartment downtown near the water tower. Loved it. Drank a lot of local Eichbaum bier. Had some of the best times of my life.

Thanks for sharing. Those are very nice.

Mark
 
I didn't know there was German built F-12's. Did US send parts over seas? I have had 2 F-12 s over the years. Thanks for posting. Ron Mn
 
Thanks for the photos. Just the photos are worth waiting for every year. To be there must be fantastic!
 
Hendrik,

That line-up is what I'd expect of the Germans, precise and in a row.

I mean this comment to be light-hearted.

D.
 
I had to laugh to myself a little when I saw headlights the Super BMD. I remember a guy telling one time that he was going to put headlights like that on his H. He drilled right in to the side of the radiator.
 
My dad buried a C Case in Holland during the war so it would not be confiscated by the retreating army. He operated a government mandated custom threshing business at the time and could not be without it. His brother in Holland still has it. Ben
 
Great pictures!!! Thank you for posting them.

Is the winch under the steam engine for cable plowing? Did they have any cable plowing demonstrations?
 
Thanks for the photos, Hendrick. I always enjoy your photos of the European shows.

Dean
 
Thank you for posting pictures. Always been a fan of the later 1960s early
1970s MFs. Never saw one with front wheel assist.
 
Great pictures.............

Sure like the Double MF65 with Perkins Diesel AD4.203.

Bob...North Western Alberta Canada........
 
Hi , what kind of engine in the 4 cyl 54 hp. It looks
like a strong unit. Thanks for the posts, we never
see those european tractors here. Ed Will Oliver BC
 
Hi , what kind of engine in the 4 cyl 54 hp. It looks
like a strong unit. Thanks for the posts, we never
see those european tractors here. Ed Will Oliver BC
 
John Deere tractors became usual in Germany with the first John Deere-Lanz tractors in the 1960s.
No letter series and number series prior to the John Deere-Lanz tractors have been exported to Germany except for some few 3010 and 3020.
Letter sereis and Number series John Deere have been exported to other European countries like France, Italia or Switzerland.

Antique John Deere tractors seen here are mostly recent imports for preservation purposes.

Hendrik
 
Those are very nice thank you! I never heard of that
company before,still learning something every day
 
Did you have just a little mud there. Went to an auction a few years
ago that looked like that. Anyone without 4x4 was being towed out with
a honkin big 4x4 tractor and a tow rope.
 
I saw a lot of the Unimogs hauling Sugar beets between Mannheim and Karlsruhe. Must have been a processing
plant near there.
 
Unimogs and MB-Tracs - that's where I would have been spending most of my time there! I got
smitten by the Unimog bug decades ago but still haven't acted on it. I'm in the process of working
on getting "MRS approval" so maybe someday . . .

Thanks for posting all the interesting pictures.
 
I to wish to thank you for the pictures. I look forward to your posts and all of the pictures that show tractors and equipment from your part of the world. Even though we live thousands of miles apart many of us enjoy the mechanical marvels from the past.
 
The F220 GT is similar to an Allis model here. They were rare and it surprises me that they weren't more popular. I suppose they must have been limited in what they could do. Great PICs by the way! gm
 
I?ve stumbled onto a video of that or similar model running and it shows several switches of direction as it is demonstrated at a show. It didn?t appear to have a clutch or transmission. Just a well timed switch of throttle to reverse the engine. I?m guessing the ?scooner? brakes also assisted in stopping motion. For the life of me I can?t find it again.
 
(quoted from post at 16:32:58 11/29/17) I?ve stumbled onto a video of that or similar model running and it shows several switches of direction as it is demonstrated at a show. It didn?t appear to have a clutch or transmission. Just a well timed switch of throttle to reverse the engine. I?m guessing the ?scooner? brakes also assisted in stopping motion. For the life of me I can?t find it again.

https://youtu.be/fcDHdhn4Rgc
This video shows the switching of the running direction. Further you can see that these Bulldogs had a clutch.

Hendrik
 
No reverse...

No starter...

Farmers were tough back then! LOL

On the HR2 22-28, what are the spring loaded pins inside the rear wheels?
 
(quoted from post at 10:10:28 01/10/18) No reverse...

No starter...

Farmers were tough back then! LOL

On the HR2 22-28, what are the spring loaded pins inside the rear wheels?

Pull and twist type quick extractable spade lugs.

Hendrik
 
Nice pics ..... your comment on the steering wheel being used for starting reminded me that early Gold Wings had a hidden kick
starter that was tucked away out of sight in case your battery wasn't able to start the bike. Just remove the kick starter,
hook it up properly, then hopefully start the bike, and then detach it and put it back. Note in this video that the kick
action is at 90 degrees to the bike as opposed to parallel with the bike as is the case with most motorcycles.
Starting an early Gold Wing ....
 
Thanks!

Interesting concept.

I've never actually seen one, but watching the start up process on Youtube, it appears they don't actually turn the engine through, but turn it backward and bounce it off compression, hope it runs the right way.

Is this true?

How does the starting wheel kick out, especially if it started backward? And how was that arranged on those without reverse?

How many ways could that thing break fingers! LOL
 
Hi Hendrick, Iattend a lotof tractor shows here in the UK running the parade ring
and doing the commentries. Last May I was commontating at Stradsett rally in Norfolk
when a good friend Peter brought his late 1930s Buldog round the ring and when i
stated that you have to take the steering wheel off to start the engine Peter
stopped the engine in front of everyboby then jumped off with the steering wheel in
his hand and tried to restart the engine. Now the Buldog tractors have a nasty habit
of starting backwards when the engine is warm and this happener about ten times
before Peter got it started. Hendrick you must come to one of our tractor shows here
in the UK. Michael Hart.
 
OK, some information and safety rules concerning the Lanz Bulldog hot bulb tractors!

(quoted from post at 09:21:36 01/17/18) Thanks!

Interesting concept.

I've never actually seen one, but watching the start up process on Youtube, it appears they don't actually turn the engine through, but turn it backward and bounce it off compression, hope it runs the right way.

Is this true?

Yes Sir! Due to the single cylinder design with its gigantic displacement and the two stroke layout, it is impossible to turn the engine over the compression stroke BY HAND. There is no compression relief for starting. For starting, you rock the crankshaft and bounce it into compression.

How does the starting wheel kick out, especially if it started backward? And how was that arranged on those without reverse?
ALL Lanz Bulldog hot bulb tractors from 1923 to 1949 had to be started using the steering wheel. No matter if the transmission had a reverse gear or not. The steering wheel will NOT kick out by itself. You have to pull it out!

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At first: put the steering wheel into the right side of the crankshaft. Watch the flywheel key, it tells you the postion of the piston in the cylinder. I prefer starting my bulldogs when the flywheel key is on the 11 o'clock position.
Now: Grab the Steering wheel like this....
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...or like this:
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BEWARE... this is dangerous. NEVER EVER grab the steering wheel at its spokes or put your thumbs between the spokes like this guy does. In case of a kick back (well... the engine SHALL kick back!) your hand and/or arm will be broken. Note the round knob at the steering wheel hub. It is free spinning.

Next, give it a powerful swing in anti-clockwise direction.
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NO MATTER if the engine fires or not... immediately grab the steering wheel shaft with your right hand and the free spinning knob at the steering wheel center with your left hand and pull it out of the (rotating) crankshaft.

How many ways could that thing break fingers! LOL
Many farmers lost fingers, hands, arms and even their lives starting Lanz Bulldogs.
BUT: Starting a Lanz Bulldog with a steering wheel IS NOT dangerous if you are NOT DRUNK and if YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

This video shows me starting my 1942 25 hp Lanz Bulldog:
https://youtu.be/jRJ2MLqfb2w

This video shows my father starting his 1935 38 hp Lanz Road Bulldog:
https://youtu.be/cpU00dKtiho
As you can see, it's not dangerous as long as you RESPECT the power and the force of that tractor. It CAN kill you.

In 1948, German authorities banned the starting by steering wheel. All new Lanz Bulldogs had to be equipped with a safety bar that secured the steering wheel during the starting process:
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From 1949 on, all new Lanz Bulldog tractors had a starting handle wheel attached to the flywheel:
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This pic shows the Argentinian rip-off of the Lanz Bulldog, the Pampa T-01 with the starting wheel attached on the flywheel.
From now on, there was no more danger in starting a hot bulb Lanz Bulldog.
Just for additional information: an electric rocking starter could be ordered as an extra from 1936 on!

Hendrik from Germany
 
Thanks Hendrik for the pictures. You sure do come up with great ones of very interesting tractors and I sincerely appreciate them.

When I saw that spark plug in that gizmo of the front of that tractor I wondered if it was some kind of antique mini pony motor but you answered that. That sure is an interesting tractor all around, especially that front axle setup that pivots and seems to be supported by some big leaves at the same time. What an interesting tractor overall. Thanks so very much again.

Mark
 
The 90 degree kick starter is normal for BMW /2 riders, /5s also. Goldwings of that time were 2 R50 engines coupled together and put inside a tea kettle. Teasing Alert! I have a Oldwing yet- GL1000 1978 and rode R50/2, R69/2, R75/5 BMWs before it when leaded gas was still available. Goldwing market was partially BMW riders that could find Honda dealership easier than BMW dealerships-- but still liked the shaft drive, boxer engines advantage. Currency change about that time was another factor- mark going from 4/$ to something like 2.4/$ meant BMW almost doubled in price in 3 months, parts the same jump. Sometimes miss old R50/2 with big fuel tank, cruise at legal 55mph limit at the time for 250 miles. RN
 
RN ...... I had a '79 Wing which I bought used in '93 ..... so a second generation much the same as yours. Mine was the Plain Jane model, nothing extra so just the bare bones version which I searched for quite a while before finding one. All the ones for sale up here had aftermarket hard luggage, luggage racks, backrests, fairings, windshields, etc. which for some reason I wasn't fussy about. Sold it about 4 years ago, just wasn't putting any miles on it. The guy that bought it was pretty happy, he was searching for some time for the same thing I was selling. I think the third-generation bikes had all the jewellery from the factory but they still sold some factory Plain Janes but that was the last ones Honda marketed I think. When the six-cylinder versions arrived, I pretty much lost interest in the Gold Wing bikes.
 
Nice pictures. These are some really different and interesting tractors. You don't see these on our side of the Atlantic Ocean.
 
Love to see your pictures from Germany. Were any of the Lanz single cylinder tractors full Diesel (and not semi Diesel as in a hot bulb engine)?
I had seen a Field Marshal tractor at a show that was full Diesel (one cylinder, two cycle)(started with a shotgun shell). And looked a lot like the Lanz tractors.
 
Field Marshall made in England was copy of Lantz Bulldog with some later features for English market. Tax laws, import tariffs still a factor for many manufacturers today, 1920 to 1960s was concern for many makers, importers-- sell imports and pay 25% tariff foe the import or assemble in market country and avoid import tariff, think of pickup trucks from Japan in 1970s and the US assembly plants for Toyota, Datsun in USA market- the 25% tariff for 'light commercial vehicles' imported compared to 5% 'passenger vehicles/cars' English laws 1930s had some affects on designs- road tax by weight meant heavy steam powered Fodens paid more road tax than deisel or gasoline powered trucks. 1950s when diesel was road taxed even when used in farm tractors meant the TVO fueled tractor versions that used untaxed 'heating oil' made economic sense in UK farms- but Republic of Ireland had about same model tractor using diesel because they didn't apply 'road tax' like Northern Ireland under British road tax laws. Field Marshall direct copy of Lantz first year had small price advantage, then more price advantage with some market variations- plowing winchs was one market feature for plowing boggy ground. Landini in Italy was another big single cylinder copy of Lantz for somewhat same reason- tax break for local manufacture. IHC had English and French plants for those markets, Ford had assembly plant in Ireland, JD still making some tractors in Germany. Old design of simple single cylinder is now for small garden tractors-- but the old Lantz and some other pre WW2 tractors with stock parts, simple design that could be fixed at farm site are still usable for same basics- plow, ground prep, power source for other equipment. Lots of the old F20s, JD GP and As,Bs, still running and discussed on this site. Pre war JDs only slightly more advanced than Lantz, 2 cylinders instead of 1. JD R or D- big, slow turning engines for basic duty sometimes still seen in fields, sometimes only on plow days. RN
 
Thanks I always enjoy your pictures. What is the bulbous looking thing that is on the front of the engine?
 
(quoted from post at 09:37:40 02/28/18) Love the looks of those tractors! How do I get one to
Minnesota?
John, no problem. Send me a 40ft. container filled with JD G, unstyled AR and a nice and straight Ford Model A car over to Germany and I will put some old german tractors in for you and send it back.

Hendrik
 
My dad used one in Holland during the war. It was confiscated by the retreating army,
but he did get it back from where it ran out of fuel. He always had great praise for
it. May have a picture around here somewhere. Ben
 

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