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Bret4207

02-14-2018 05:36:02




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Sorry for the OT, but maybe its not all that OT since we have to wash our clothes after wrenching on stuff.
Who has a washing machine they actually like, that gets clothes clean and LASTS? We go through a machine every 3-4 years, maybe less. The current disappointment (Whirlpool) is one of those "High Efficiency" models that doesn't even have an agitator. It presumes to "wash" the clothes when the water doesn't even cover the items in the tub! Now it's stopped spinning and I've already put $100 in parts in it (according to what the error codes told me was wrong) and it still doesn't spin or complete a load. I've got an inquiry in with an appliance repair forum, but we've been a week w/o a washer and I imagine I'm going to have to pony up some bucks for a replacement/spare. I see good reports on Speed Queen. I want a real agitator, lack of water isn't a problem here. I'd love to be able to go to Lowes and pick one up, but I don't want to throw good money after bad. So, I'm hoping you guys can steer me towards something decent, or at least away from the bad.

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Bret4207

02-16-2018 05:54:43




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
FWIW- Stopped by the Speed Queen place yesterday. Guy owns some laundromats and services SQ on site. Showed me the internals, that the same parts go in the commercial units as the "household" units. And the $1K plus listed price I'd been seeing? Nope. It was either $749 or 849 plus tax out the door, I forget, probably the higher price. One thing I noticed is that the machine we currently have weighs maybe 75-80 lbs. The SQ must be 150-160 pounds or more. Only plastic is in the pump. And he doesn't have any of the new 2018 models. All he has are the older models with the mechanical controls- no circuit boards!

I know what I want, the rest is up to SWMBO!

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dr sportster

02-15-2018 08:44:23




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Is it possible since your machines are not lasting that you may be overloading them ?



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Bret4207

02-15-2018 05:11:41




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Thanks for all the thoughts folks, I appreciate your taking the time. The Whirlpool is still down, more parts enroute. I'm stopping at a Speed Queen place tonight after kids Dr. appt and Lowes too! Can't find what I want on local Craigs List sadly.



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curtkeiser

02-15-2018 00:16:28




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
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Speed Queen, same as thev used in laundromats. You can dial only models with out any electronic controls.



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Oliver 500 Wa

02-15-2018 00:05:44




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
In 1981 my wife and I got married and being young and poor, bought a used Maytag washer and dryer set made in 1967 for IIRC, $75.
They are the only machines we have have ever had. Raised 2 sons on them. Moved to a new home with them. I have done a few repairs over the years. Replaced a couple belts and hoses. The washer needed a new hose between the pump and tub last year. My local Maytag repair shop had one on the shelf. Cost ~$15 and 25 minutes to install.

Those are some solid machines. I doubt that any brand you can buy today will be even 10% as durable.

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kevinstuff

02-14-2018 19:59:56




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Well I wouldn't buy any thing that
says energy star or saving , what you
get is a underpowered machine and some
other features you find strange after you get it set up and running , Such as the
Roper we got, that doesn't rinse our
clothes because the rinse cycle only fills
the tub less than 1/4 full, and no way to
adjust it.



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avant 1735

02-14-2018 18:04:27




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
We bought a "Maytag Centennial Commercial Technology", the local hardware store owner recommended it. Said it had a heavy duty transmission in it. Several oilfield workers were buying this model, and the owner said very few of them come in for repairs. We have had it about 5 years does a good job. We had a Samsung before it did not last, it held a lot of clothes but the tub warped and we were told it was not worth fixing.

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YprDave

02-14-2018 15:01:31




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Yeah, Crazy Horse, GM sold Frigidaire around 1980, which was the last year the up-down agitator was made. I was a kid at that time, but we never had any trouble with 'em. I'd get my clothes all muddy and greasy riding my dirt bike, bicycle, or just being outside, but you'd never think so after they come out of the ol' Frigidaire. Sure do miss those old machines.



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RGMartin

02-14-2018 13:04:20




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Been down the same road. I had a whirlpool for 15 years, wife wanted a new machine, it still worked but needed some minor repairs. At the time I didn't have time to mess with it bough a new maytag HE no agitator, Supposed to self balance, but would routinely walk itself away from the wall until the hoses were taught, Noisy, clothes not clean, smells, lid locked so you couldn't add stuff without a complicated procedure, slow(well over an hour). Had to use the "deep water" setting to have any hope of cleaning mildly dirty stuff, hopeless it you are talking about work clothes... At under a year old it was total junk incapable of cleaning any clothes, severely staining my marriage. I wanted my whirlpool back, even if I have to do a nut and bolt restore on it.

Then I found Speed Queen, every bit the equal of the old machine, better in some ways. Expensive though, street price on their base model is $850 or a little better. The longest setting takes 33 minutes.

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gordosd

02-14-2018 10:48:43




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
27 years on my WHirlpool top loader. It has two little knobs for temp and load size. And the big dial for length of wash. I have had to replace the little dogs that rotate the agitator and the thrust washer there , the fourth set about a month. Big deal 12 dollar for the set and about 20 minutes to install.



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YprDave

02-14-2018 10:32:28




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Did some research myself after my 21 year old machine started acting up.
Seems that Speed Queen is starting to go the way of the others. I personally wouldn't bother with them unless it was a 2017 model or earlier (look them up on U=tube and compare that way, 2017 vs 2018).

I wound up fixing my old machine (Whirlpool/Kitchenaid 1996 vintage) for $60. Turns out the Whirlpools of that era or earlier are pretty reliable and clean clothes quite well, also simple to work on.

Seems every one of these machines made today are complete junk, regardless of brand.

Sure wish Frigidaire would bring back the old reciprocating (up/down) agitator, those were the best IMHO.

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Crazy Horse

02-14-2018 12:48:20




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to YprDave, 02-14-2018 10:32:28  
Dave, your post brings back a memory when I was in high school in the early 60's, my dad bought a Fridgidaire automatic washing machine (no dryer though, just the washing machine). Before that we had the old wringer type washing machine, a Norge I think it was. The new one had that up and down agitator action and my dad hated it, all his long-sleeved shirts seemed to get tied up in knots and I remember him cursing and swearing every time he took a load of shirts out. Funny the things a guy remembers once the old memory bank is given a quick shove. The video below is pretty cool but they don't show my dad's tangled shirts, ha !!! Google says that Frigidaire sold out to General Motors and then eventually disappeared from the scene.

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MarkB_MI

02-14-2018 10:15:49




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
When our HE Whirlpool quit working, I spent a small fortune throwing parts at it. It turned out the problem was two broken wires that go to the motor; you couldn't easily tell they were broken because the insulation was still intact and they would even ohm out OK. They broke right at one of the standoffs. A firm tug pulled them apart. Spliced them and no more problems.

Imagine my chagrin when I realized there was still a year to go on the Lowe's three year extended warranty.

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RayP(MI)

02-14-2018 10:00:01




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
See if you can find an online source on who actually makes your intended purchase. You may be surprised. Many brands are contract made by some few manufacturers.

Years ago I worked at a air conditioner manufacturer. One day they decided to clean up the repair shop where machines had defects while in factory. I was on final inspection and 19 different brands came down the line that day.



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Tom Bowman

02-14-2018 09:58:08




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
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It looks like Speed Queen has discontinued the model with the mechanical timer, as of the first of this year. (We got one last year, and my dealer warned me that this was about to happen.)

The jury is still out on the new Speed Queen washers, so shop carefully.



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johnlobb

02-14-2018 09:41:10




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Well, the Appliance Doctor, Joe Gagnon, suggests a model of Speed Queen that has a regular dial. I don't think they're cheap, maybe around $800, but they seem to hold up. He suggested a Bosch dishwasher, which we bought , and am very pleased with.



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2underage

02-14-2018 09:16:44




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Fisher & Paykel is the brand of washer that we use. Did buy it at Lowes about 12 years ago and it was expensive but has never failed. It was the most costly one that they had in the store at the time but the wife just had to have it. She still says it is the best washer that she ever had and she has owned many.



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Bruce from Can.

02-14-2018 09:10:31




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Not sure Id know a good washer from a bad washer, but I do know , you are not going to go to Sears , and by a Kenmore !!



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Eric in IL

02-14-2018 09:00:56




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
We have an ancient Maytag bought new in 1990. When it pukes I will go see if Speed Queen still makes anything with a timer dial that is run by a small electric motor.



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Gary Mitchell

02-14-2018 11:03:05




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Eric in IL, 02-14-2018 09:00:56  
The repair guy we use told me that the Speed Queen is the only one that still uses copper windings. gm



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Crazy Horse

02-14-2018 09:44:44




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Eric in IL, 02-14-2018 09:00:56  
Eric ...... if you ever get an occasional or more than occasional drip coming out the bottom of your old Maytag, don't junk it because it is 30 years old. It is likely a faulty anti-siphon water injection valve assembly that is found inside the top lid between your water fill valve and the tub. Looks like a plastic thingie that appears open but has a one way directional function. It is there to prevent washing machine water backing up into your water supply which is VERY unlikely to happen. After 15 years of ours dripping, last summer I opened up the lid and replaced this thing with a 3" length of small diameter PVC pipe and some hose clamps. Buying the correct replacement part isn't very expensive either. Hasn't dripped since. Below is a discussion forum on the topic .....

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Eric in IL

02-14-2018 10:45:50




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Crazy Horse, 02-14-2018 09:44:44  
Thanks, I have replaced that valve a few times now. It seems to last us about seven years.

The rubber on the outside of the valve shrinks ( gets shorter ) with age and starts spraying like a shower head. Other than the valves though, I've replaced the belts only once.

The Matag was a good purchase.



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buickanddeere

02-14-2018 08:34:59




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
We had a very large Sears front loader for years. It would fit the largest quilts etc with ease and wash efficiency . Only problem was that the bearings and seals would fail every 2-3 years. Currently using a Whirlpool Cabrio Platinum top loader. Also has a huge tub. There is only one setting on the dial that will actually fill the tub full with wash or rinse water. The rest of the positions are "economy" low water usage.

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PJH

02-14-2018 07:48:50




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Wife has a Maytag that she likes. Has the old agitator. It's probably approaching 20 years old. A few years ago, it developed a somewhat random leak that was discovered to be a leaking seal in the bottom of the drum. It was the first or second part that you start with when you're assembling a washing machine, and required a special wrench to get it apart. I got the wrench and put in a new seal, and so far it's been good. I've not heard any of our friends say anything good about the new washing machines, and that's why I fixed it. Good luck!

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sdmike

02-14-2018 07:17:06




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Bret, we also bought a whirlpool (Cabrio) high efficiency washer, 4 or 5 years ago. Wife liked the fact that it didn't have an agitator. That machine was a waste, did not clean the clothes. Lasted about 8 months until we got tired of dingy looking jeans and gray socks. We bought a Speed Queen. Have been much happier with the results.

Mike



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rustyfarmall

02-14-2018 07:08:19




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Hands down! Speed Queen. We are on our second set. First set was good for 20 years. Replaced because the washing machine was occasionally making a puddle on the floor. A very small puddle. Could have been repaired but I didn't want to mess with it. The dryer was still working just fine.



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Texasmark1

02-14-2018 07:02:56




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
I bought one of those about 6 months ago. Still trying to get used to the noises it makes. I'm down to cold water only (removed my hot water heater that I had in the wash room), use Dollar General cheapest brand liquid soap. Shoot "Shout" on greasy spots prior to washing.

I heard it yesterday and it sounds like it does the "ultrasonic" thing like jewelry cleaners do. Other thing is clothes don't get beat to death and when washing whites with bleach, the smell doesn't emit from the tub and cause me to close the door as it did with my previous Whirlpool with the agitator.

To each his own. My first machine was a used Whirlpool and they have done the job for me ever since.

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SweetFeet

02-14-2018 07:00:49




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Bret,
Recently bought a top-loading washer and dryer too. Went with a less-
expensive brand... BUT wishing I'd gone with Speed Queen even though the price as almost $500 higher than the set I did purchase.

ONE CAUTION: Just because a new machine has a for-real looking agitator pole... does NOT mean that it will really agitate!!!

My new machine's version of agitation is a feeble, pathetic, paltry, and woefully inadequate: "reh---reh---reh"... as opposed to ALL of my former washers: "WHOOOSHA-WHOOOSHA-WHOOSHA".

ANDDDD you cannot pre-fill the tub. You must toss in the detergent, then the clothes, THEN press start and it will fill up.

ANDDDDD you cannot pre-soak in the manner that I used to do... because after the bleeping thing sets for 10 minutes, it will "auto-empty". Soooo, then you have to refill it and start again... I'd like to know how THAT is energy efficient. Sheeesh!

PLUS, I have to set it to the two-rinse cycle to get a decent rinse... because it just sprays water while spinning. Sure - that'll get all the detergent out... NOT.

Next time I'm looking for an antique one - like grandma had, with a wringer... and have my husband throw a new motor on it. LOL!!

Again, wishing I'd gone Speed Queen. But even at that - be sure to ask them if it TRULY agitates because the Speed Queen sales person told me the new models this year must be High Efficiency... so maybe the "talking heads of regulation" have taken away their power-agitation too! I don't know.

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SweetFeet

02-14-2018 07:08:11




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to SweetFeet, 02-14-2018 07:00:49  
ALSO: Sales staff at both appliance stores told me there are no longer any truly mechanical dials to run the machines. That even if it "looks" like mechanical dials, those still just send info to a "computer brain". So all of the machines have the computer pads in them... it's just a matter of whether the dials send the signal or it uses a touch-pad system.

I'm just lucky that my husband's work uniforms are commercially laundered through a contract the plant has with a commercial company. Because I know that I could NOT get them clean in our modern machine.

Overall, I give a big bah-humbug to today's washers. Grandma would have a conniption-fit if she could see one today.

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Goose

02-14-2018 06:56:51




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
We have a Maytag without the vertical agitator that we bought a couple of years ago. We love it.



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charlie n

02-14-2018 06:52:41




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Speed Queen.



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philip d

02-14-2018 06:43:30




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Have a 10 yr old Crosley here stainless drum vertical agitator. Everyone says you feed a vertical tub agitator to clean really dirty cloths.



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Mark-Mi

02-14-2018 06:36:38




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Speed Queen here. Been down that road with a pair of high priced electronic machines.



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coshoo

02-14-2018 06:36:33




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Richard below mentioned an outfit that refurbishes and sells them. We've got one here, and next washer or dryer I'm going to try them. The guy is very knowledgeable, and has lots of inventory. He says his business continues to improve as people get disgusted with all the electronic and "green" foolishness of the new ones.



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TomIN

02-14-2018 06:31:45




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
We are retired and split out time between a city and a county home. Our country home has a LG high efficiency front loading machine that we bought about 12 years ago and we have had no repairs. Our water there is very hard. While the clothes come out looking clean, the towels seem to have a bit of "sour" smell to them.

We bought our current city home about 6 1/2 years ago and purchased a LG high efficiency top loader. We have had no repairs. The clothes come out clean and smelling fresh---but we have a water softener in the city.

At our previous house in the city we used Whirlpool and were happy with it. I don't imagine that our experience with something we purchased two or three decades ago has much bearing on the machines made today.

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Tracto-man

02-14-2018 06:31:34




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Another vote for speed queen!



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1948CaseVAI

02-14-2018 06:25:56




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You simply cannot beat Speed Queen.



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DoubleO7

02-14-2018 06:14:51




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Pretty paint jobs and bunches of bells an whistles really do not make a tub of water being sloshed around do any better.



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Mike M

02-14-2018 06:09:35




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Last time this came up a lot of good said about speed queen. I looked at them a few months ago when at the store and holy moley are they expensive ! I can get about 3 cheap ones to 1 of those. The one I have right now is a used cheapo that is maybe 10 years old ? I lucked out and got it for $ 65.00 ! Now watch with my luck it will die tomorrow. Worst one I ever bought was a brand new Maytag. It was to be at the last of the ones made like the old ones were. Well that thing only lasted 10 years and the main seal leaked water out. Repairs cost way too much so out it went.

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whereswaldo

02-14-2018 08:57:28




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Mike M, 02-14-2018 06:09:35  
We bought a 'magic chef', made by Maytag, without the Maytag price. Very similar in appearance. Well, the "Thrust bearing went out (under warranty) then the transmission went out (also under warranty). The repair man said it must be a 'banner year' (never forgot that comment) for Transmission failures; his next stop was in Ankeny for the same symptoms. Finally, the machine is out of warranty and the thrust bearing failed again. Bye Bye, Magic Chef/Maytag. Replaced it with a Kenmore '90' series and other than the 'lovejoy' coupling shredding, it's been a good washer. Mechanical timer; I'm with Sweetfeet, that electronic stuff is unrepairable for even the above average DIYer. Side note: Been married 41 years and as a wedding present, both Parents pooled their resources and bought us a MATCHING Washer and Dryer in Harvest Gold. (Whirlpool) That Dryer is STILL on the job; only did a rebuild of gaskets and drum rollers after the basement flooded back in '93.

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Richard G.

02-14-2018 05:56:46




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Neither my wife of 44 years or myself can remember when we bought our Roper machine.
I know it was over 30 years ago. Does a great job even on my work clothes which can get pretty nasty.
If and when it dies, I will buy a used one from a local appliance place that refurbishes the old simple ones.
Richard in NW SC



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sms

02-14-2018 05:54:51




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
It sounds like we had the same machine, didn't use much water but didn't clean my work clothes so we washed them 2-3 times, some savings. Even though it was almost new we got another machine that is much better, but I don't know about longevity. New one is a Whirlpool High Efficiency but I don't see a model number. It has an agitator. They were supposed to stop making them because they use water. We just got it a few months ago

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Crazy Horse

02-14-2018 05:51:31




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Bret4207, 02-14-2018 05:36:02  
Do a search here on YT, the topic has been discussed before, last time not all that long ago I think. It seems that Speed Queen is maybe the only manufacturer that still makes their own machines, everyone else is just a re-badged version of something else. A lot of YT'ers recommended them in these previous posts. Pricey but worth it by the sounds of their replies. I think that maybe Whirlpool makes most machines nowadays for almost everyone in North America. Even the Maytag brand is now made by someone else. We have a base model Maytag from the late 80's that is still going strong. Maytag was Maytag back then I believe. I have read that Samsung is one to stay away from because of very poor parts availability, not sure if that is true or not.

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elton fancher

02-14-2018 06:30:58




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to Crazy Horse, 02-14-2018 05:51:31  
I cannot recommend a washing machine but the Samsung side by side refrig we bought new from Lowe's has been an absolute piece of junk with no help from the store or corporation, and no one who works on appliances here can get parts or info that helps.



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Crazy Horse

02-14-2018 07:16:09




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 Re: OT- washing machines in reply to elton fancher, 02-14-2018 06:30:58  
My son went through issues of the same nature with his Samsung fridge. I bought a Samsung dishwasher years ago and then heard about Samsung issues on line the same week (before I had it delivered and installed it). I cancelled out on the deal and bought a Bosch model, I think this was all at Sears when they were still in business up here. Momma's been more than happy with the Bosch.



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