I have found a coupel of tractors I have been looking into purchasing one an allis 7060 and a case 2470 and a ih1486 and white 2-105 how are they on fuel how about the cab ac room confort getting in and out duribilty hyds balance I am going to put a loader on it how long motor lasts thanks
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Bruce from Can.
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Those are all fair big tractors, and are all getting older. Parts become the elephant in the room with older tractors. My advice is try to pick a model with the largest build numbers, and share a large percentage of parts with other models of the same make , built during the same time frame. Example would be the IH 1486 and the 1086 will have many common parts. Same with the 7000 series AC tractors , they share nearly 80% of the same parts.
The IH in line 6 cylinder is a good cold starting engine , widely used in IH trucks , and just a really tough old bird. White tractors came with a variety of engines , and the tub frame design allowed for this. Friends of mine that have had AC tractors have found them rather cold blooded, and enjoy the block heater. Two friends replaced their worn out tractor engines with wrecked combine engines , as combines never see high hours, and will match up well with tractors with only a few exhaust and coolant modifications.
In my opinion , all of these tractors were built to be field tractors , and not utility yard/loader tractors , and I myself ,would believe these tractors to be awkward for loader work. No shuttle shift or forward reverser, and gear selection levers not really suited to the frequent back and forth action so often use in loader work. I will probably get flamed for this , but it is my opinion.
These were all good tractors in there day, but where are the companies that built them now ? And how well will/are the new owners supporting these 40 year old ancestors of the current models ?
The IH in line 6 cylinder is a good cold starting engine , widely used in IH trucks , and just a really tough old bird. White tractors came with a variety of engines , and the tub frame design allowed for this. Friends of mine that have had AC tractors have found them rather cold blooded, and enjoy the block heater. Two friends replaced their worn out tractor engines with wrecked combine engines , as combines never see high hours, and will match up well with tractors with only a few exhaust and coolant modifications.
In my opinion , all of these tractors were built to be field tractors , and not utility yard/loader tractors , and I myself ,would believe these tractors to be awkward for loader work. No shuttle shift or forward reverser, and gear selection levers not really suited to the frequent back and forth action so often use in loader work. I will probably get flamed for this , but it is my opinion.
These were all good tractors in there day, but where are the companies that built them now ? And how well will/are the new owners supporting these 40 year old ancestors of the current models ?
casecollectorsc
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- E central SD.
2470 Case is not nimble or suited for a loader...here's mine.
I had a white 105 with a loader and it was OK but not real nimble. However it was one with 4 wheel drive. I would advise againt the AC 7060 as they were built at the end of the Allis run and are often found lacking in quality control. I had an AC 7040 and it was a real lemon.
You would be better off with a smaller tractor with a matching loader. The purchase price may be a little higher but your satisfaction will be much higher also.
You would be better off with a smaller tractor with a matching loader. The purchase price may be a little higher but your satisfaction will be much higher also.
Part Time Pete
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- Leatherstocking Region NY
I don't think any of the tractors you mentioned are great loader tractors, but as far as a nice handling tractor with good fuel economy, the 2-105 is very good
Pete
Pete
Jim Phelps
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Cannot say about the case, had a IH 1066, great motor TA gave us some problems, Neighbor had a White 105 loved it, always had AC's had a 7020 with power shift great tractor had more power than we thought it would have. I guess it depends on what you are doing and what type of parts suppliers do you have in your area.
I don't know what you're looking for in power,but you'll never regret buying a good 2-105. I bought this one a year ago last April. Fantastic haying and planting tractor. I've even pulled a 20 foot disc with it in plowed ground when the 2-135 was out of commission for a few days.
I used to have a 4040 Deere and loved that tractor,and don't get me wrong,they each have points that are better than the other,but the three speed over under on the White is better than the two speeds you can shift without clutching with the Quad Range in the Deere for cutting and baling hay or planting. She runs on less fuel than the Deere and has 15 more horses.
The air works great in mine,you'll never beat the 354 Perkins for fuel economy,the over under gives you 18 forward speeds and 6 reverse. Great tractor,hands down going away.
I used to have a 4040 Deere and loved that tractor,and don't get me wrong,they each have points that are better than the other,but the three speed over under on the White is better than the two speeds you can shift without clutching with the Quad Range in the Deere for cutting and baling hay or planting. She runs on less fuel than the Deere and has 15 more horses.
The air works great in mine,you'll never beat the 354 Perkins for fuel economy,the over under gives you 18 forward speeds and 6 reverse. Great tractor,hands down going away.
The 2-105 White was the same as an Oliver 1855. The engines were junk in the 1855s,but the 2-105 used the same Perkins as a lot of combines. 1855s are plentiful for parts because of the bad engines,and it hardly pays to even overhaul a 354 Perkins because of the oversupply of low hour engines from combines. Ad to that the number of aftermarket suppliers of parts for those along with excellent parts support from Agco on them,you could probably farm with one until the end of time.
The 4630/40 mentioned is heavy tractor,well suited for a loader.However the fact that it only has a 1000 rpm PTO is a deal killer.As was stated,The IH is good with plenty of parts availability. Probably more of those out there than all of the others comblined. The White would also serve you well. They are a heavy tractor.However I'm notsure about parts availability.A Case 2090 (or similar)would also be a good choise. Forget the AC,and RuN from a Massey. How about buying a tractor with a loader already mounted?In the long run,that's the cheapest way to go. A new loader these days will cost more than any of the above tractors listed.When you buy,consider local service/dealers. A good 'cheap' tractor with the closest dealer 100+ miles away is going to be a problem.
Stealing the thread here a bit Randy.....I have run a 2-85 in the past but still like my green ones. I have a customer with a 105, a couple of years back I had to replace the front pulley/dampner. I could go a long way into O/H on a Deere engine for what Agco wanted for a new dampner. If we could find one. Ended up getting original one rebuilt by a company in Oregon. This is something that makes me hesitant on these tractors. Agco has not been kind to that old White line.
What are your resources for parts?
What are your resources for parts?
Gotta ask what you expect to do with this tractor and loader to really address any real solution. Feeding round bales daily? couple times a week? Feeding silage too boot? All these things make a difference in what I'd recommend. When I was farming I feed round bales about once a week, small herd, put a couple out at a time. Farm tractor was OK for that. Couple times a year spending a day of 2 picking up hay in the field. My BIL and nephew are feeding round bales and silage to about 100 beef cows an 70-80 dairy cows with a loader. So that gets run every day to feed silage. Their loader tractor has a shuttle shift so it isn't bad. Would not want to do that with a gear shift tractor for forward reverse.
Having operated tractors with loaders from an old H Farmall with a trip bucket loader, through larger farm tractors to backhoes ending with a 5 yard loader with power-shift I have my favorites. Least favorite is any farm tractor without a shuttle shift. Even with a shuttle it's still a farm tractor with a loader added on. Like my backhoe. The 5 yard loader was fun to operate and almost as easy as the loader end of my backhoe.
Rick
Having operated tractors with loaders from an old H Farmall with a trip bucket loader, through larger farm tractors to backhoes ending with a 5 yard loader with power-shift I have my favorites. Least favorite is any farm tractor without a shuttle shift. Even with a shuttle it's still a farm tractor with a loader added on. Like my backhoe. The 5 yard loader was fun to operate and almost as easy as the loader end of my backhoe.
Rick
Any of the Agco dealers around here,Farm Depot and Card Brothers mainly for new parts. For used parts,Maibach in Creston Ohio or Smittys in Dalton Ohio. I usually don't have to go any farther that that. Worthington has a location right close to home here,so I have used them in the past for used and new A&I parts. They just haven't been a problem at all,White or Oliver. I guess over time,you just get a good network of sources.
It was Deere that was getting to be a real problem for me. The super stores don't care if I live or die and getting the right parts or somebody to give a dam came to the breaking point and we totally parted ways.
It was Deere that was getting to be a real problem for me. The super stores don't care if I live or die and getting the right parts or somebody to give a dam came to the breaking point and we totally parted ways.
The IH 86 series are good starters but terrible shifting.THe Ac is a terrible to get in and out of.The JD to me would be the best with nice cab and the quad range shift and perma clutch.The 105 is not bad but to hard to work on you have to pull engine to fix clutch and 3 speed shift not fun.
My first pick would be the 2470, then the 1486 strictly because the 2470 would have the better cab and the 1486 has the TA. I wouldn?t buy anything with the Allis Chalmers name on it. The White would be good too except for the cab with the vertical bar right in front of the driver vision line.
None of those sound like great loader tractors, they are all good open field tillage tractors. For close yard work and loader work as they would be tall to climb into, are not very manueverable and may not shift well between forward to reverse unless they have a power shift transmission. It all depends on what type of loader work you have in mind and how much you need to lift. It may be difficult to find one with a loader that is still in good condition as loader work is generally hard on clutches, transmissions and front ends. Maintenance is often neglected on loader tractors too. I do see 2470's and similar tractors used to clear snow off shopping center parking lots with wide 3 point hitch equipment.
notjustair
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I grew up IH and have some left. My only one of size is an 886 that has a loader. It's my favorite tractor of all of them. When I hay, fertilize, plow terraces, or rotary mow I take the loader off the tractor - it's a five minute job. During the winter it is used daily to feed bales with. If it's wet I use the loader on the 7800 MFWA Deere or if it's nice I use the old 4020.
I know every hates the doors and shifting on the IH. Mine are fine (low hour tractor). My biggest pet leave with bad hips and knees is the steps. I need to invest in one of the new sets. Other than that I say go for the IH. If you are just using it for a loader tractor expect it to slobber and use some oil. Diesels like to be worked. I can plow terraces for months and be fine. Use it to chore with only and I plan on adding oil half way between changes.
I'm not familiar with the old Cases, but putting a loader on a big tractor like that would be like put one on my old Deere 8430. Hot mess. Don't get me wrong, I love my old Big Bertha. They are great cheap power for field work but all of their hours come from pulling the disk or packing the silo. That's about all they are good for.
I know every hates the doors and shifting on the IH. Mine are fine (low hour tractor). My biggest pet leave with bad hips and knees is the steps. I need to invest in one of the new sets. Other than that I say go for the IH. If you are just using it for a loader tractor expect it to slobber and use some oil. Diesels like to be worked. I can plow terraces for months and be fine. Use it to chore with only and I plan on adding oil half way between changes.
I'm not familiar with the old Cases, but putting a loader on a big tractor like that would be like put one on my old Deere 8430. Hot mess. Don't get me wrong, I love my old Big Bertha. They are great cheap power for field work but all of their hours come from pulling the disk or packing the silo. That's about all they are good for.
As other posters have asked, what is the intended use of the tractor as that is quite the range of different machines. An AC 7060 is probably one of the best AC models made so I would definitely consider it depending on what you are doing with it. Friend had 3 7040 Allis, one with over 20000 hour, and 2 8070 models, one with 6500 hrs and a loader tractor with 12000 hrs so ignore anyone who tells you that an Allis won't go the distance. I have driven one of the 7040 recently and found it to be quite tight for a 40 year old. Nothing rattled or was coming loose in the cab. Parts will be a challenge with any older equipment, so research parts sources first.
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