How times have changed II

Bruce(OR)

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I enjoyed the thread below about the plastic rifles and such and how those are no longer in favor. The military now uses plastic human silhouettes to get the trainee use to the idea of shooting at human figures. Good physiological desensitization methods to get the human brain use to the idea of shooting people. Parents now do it with video games in the living room. What's on your Christmas shopping list??
You don't need to regulate firearms. You need to regulate training.
 
Yep Bruce I agree. So many things now geared toward young people that have to do with violence and death. I was given my first gun on my 16th birthday, a Remington 870 lightweight 20 gauge for hunting. Since I have acquired a bunch more, usually bought with a specific purpose in mind. To me a firearm is a tool used to hunt or hone skills with. No different than a hammer or pair of pliers. Sure seems like all the "conflicts" we have gotten into in the last 25 years have changed things a lot !
 
If that isn't the truth... We were always taught gun safety. One thing is; never point a gun at anyone. Then along come Paint Ball. Paint ball told everyone it was ok to shoot at other people. Video games are just as bad. Now we have mass shootings all over. No one can convince me otherwise.
 
back when Davy Crockett and Dan'el Boone were big on TV I got a plastic flintlock cap rifle squirrel gun like they carried. WoW! You had to tear a single cap off the roll , cock the rifle, and put the cap in the in the pan then fire. Every time I did it I'd get stuff in my eye. My friends didn't. Bummer. Then I figured out I was the only one who was left handed. Took the fun out of the toy. Early experience with unfair discrimination!
 
We?ve been using figure11 targets for decades, shooting human styled targets in the military is a necessity. Not about desensitizing, it?s about knowing where to aim properly to kill the enemy.
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(quoted from post at 14:08:20 11/18/17) I enjoyed the thread below about the plastic rifles and such and how those are no longer in favor. The military now uses plastic human silhouettes to get the trainee use to the idea of shooting at human figures. Good physiological desensitization methods to get the human brain use to the idea of shooting people. Parents now do it with video games in the living room. What's on your Christmas shopping list??
You don't need to regulate firearms. You need to regulate training.

I think you'll find regulating video games will accomplish very little. I think a good many of these mass shooting perpetrators have underlying issues, and video games have nothing to do with it. I've played video games since I was a kid, and still do. I like to think I turned out pretty good, all in all.

But, I'm preaching to the wrong generation on this topic. I will say no more unless asked.
 
I'm 68 and the kids I ran with all had toy guns. We spent hours re-enacting the WWII movies we watched on TV. None of us grew up to violent or deranged. When Dad was having a beer or glass of wine I would get a sip if I asked (he would probably be arrested for that today). When I got into high school alcohol wasn't a big deal to me. I think a lot of the problem comes with the "mystery" of guns or booze.
 
I agree. When my second daughter's two boys wanted paintball guns, I told them to make their choice......if they chose paintballs, they would never get a real firearm from Grandpa, because they would be shooting paintballs at people. The oldest didn't go for either. The youngest turned out to be a fine hunter, and respects gun safety well.
 
Last time I was stopped they held on to my 1 1/2" pocketknife AND fingernail clippers till they let me outa the car as they are considered 'weapons'.
And then I had to ask for them back.
 
The problem as I see it is kids today are raising themselves. With both parents working daycare workers are doing good just to keep the kids alive. They certainly are not going to give them morals.
 
Glad I read all the responses before posting- was going to say the same thing about the silhouettes. I had an M14 in basic, M16 in infantry AIT in summer of '69. M14 was sure a lot more accurate.
 
Yeah.

One day when our daughter was about 4 years old, she was playing with Easter eggs pretending they were hand grenades. Think of what some child psychologist would do with that today! They'd go berserk.

BTW, as an adult she's a perfectly normal, well adjusted executive in the real estate business.
 
The figure 11 is a standard NATO target and goes by many different names depending on country and service branch. Ivan is one of the nicer nick names I have heard.
 
It was also a poster that said --Ivan trains 14 hours a day and salutes all ranks from Corporal and above . Ivan can be a formidable opponent.
 

It's not video games or any other one specific thing. It's cultural and society decay. When you remove the idea of personal responsibility or instill the idea that everything is supposed to somehow be "fair" and that if it's not, you're a victim, then you have a problem. When you take the concept of respect for others simply because they are your fellow human beings and turn that into some sort of joke, you have a problem. When human life isn't valued, you have a problem. We lost all of that sometime between the end of WW2 and today. It's going to take a major upheaval to regain any of that.
 

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