Case IH bring back Farmall line

Wouldn't It be awesome if Case brought back the old farmall line and built them in their factories along with the things they are already making?
 
Already have a farmall 110 mfwd tractor it?s the low end of the CNH line made in Mexico. Don?t Know If there is a high end of the cnh line
 
A company that can,t figure out whether it wants to be RED or BLUE sure want be bringing any thing else in. Be lucky if they don,t cut one of the two lines they have in the coming years.
Ford new Holland blue is strong in the upper east where New Holland was strong for years and the Cash IH is strong in the Midwest and has the going combine so going to be hard trying to figure out which line to cut ...who knows.
 
Maybe. If there were digital fuel injection. If there were 5 and 7 main bearing engines. If there were modern metallurgy used in all components. If the electrical systems and computer controls were accessible, cheap, and all software was owned and modifiable by the owner. If the filters and pumps were commodity items and easily accessed. If the brakes were Brembo or Wildwood multi puck disk. If the clutch system was wet multi disk and removable as a module from the case with no split. If a car quiet cab with air and heat were standard. If the steering was power assist and from a replaceable engine driven pump. If the hydraulics were engine driven and variable displacement. Just a minor set of changes to make the deficient elements of a Farmall super MTA more refined. Jim
 
I Like how the farmall line was easy to work on and you had no trouble finding parts. I mean even if Case Made parts to fix the old tractors that would be so great
 
GIVE UP on the "revisionist history" thing!

CASE and IH both failed because they could not adapt into being viable companies in a changing ag economy, and FIAT picked up what was left and has the right to use those brand names for obvious reasons of financial gain.

AFAIK, there's NO Binder or CASE heritage whatsoever in the current CIH/FIAT line and I'd suggest you not hold your breath expecting there will be anytime soon.

On the other hand, in keeping with this site's "Yesterday's Tractors" theme why not grab onto a couple of classic CASE or IH tractors and ENJOY them?
 
No no. IH went under because their stupid president decided to give himself a 1.8 million dollar bonus and the workers went on strike for 6 months. IH lost 600million dollars from that and had to sell to case because the stupid president made a stupid decision.
 
There's only so much a CEO can do without the blessings of the Board that hired him!

Have you read "A Corporate Tragedy" by Barbara Marsh?
 
Think about the economics of it. How much would one of the old Farmalls, like an M or a 300 or whatever model you prefer, cost to produce today? What kind of price tag would they have to put on it to make a profit? 10k? 20k? 30k? There is no market for it. Sad, but true. The cost to set up the tooling to build even a simple old tractor like an M would be far, far more than could ever be recouped.
 
Actually there is more to the IH failure than a simple bonus, lots more. They were deep in debt. Then the Carter/Regan recession kicked in. Add in the grain embargo that tanked grain prices at the same time they were doing away with many of the subsidies. Interest rates went up. So IH failed. The same company that acquired Case, Tenneco, bought the IH AG line. They in turn sold it to FIAT in 1999, 14 years after IH closed it's doors.

As far as bringing back older design tractors? I'd have no problem with that say if you had a cut off, no designs prior to 1960. I've got an M, IH wide front. The thing is a pig to operate all day long doing work. It would need better seating, power steering, way better hydraulics, 12 volt system and a comfortable cab with AC before I'd buy one.

Now here is the real kicker. Say they did decide to build an M again. EPA requirements would see it with a computer controlled fuel injection and ignition system. So other than replacing plugs you'd have to learn those systems and have a scan tool to do any repairs.

As others have stated, no market for it.

Rick
 
I have the book, "A CORPORATE TRAGEDY". A very interesting book and I highly recommend that if you can get a copy, do so. Goes into a lot of detail as to what happened at IH. All of the problems that IH had was due to management. They weren't big into testing their products, as the 560 rear end problems vouched for that. Management thought they could do no wrong in not testing products out before sending out into the field.
 
CNH brought back the 8N for a couple of years. Called it the Boomer 8N. It was a modern 50? HP CUT tractor painted red and gray with a hint of the old N styling. I assume they are decent machines.
I think you'd get something similar if you bought a NEW Farmall M today.
 
The current "Farmall" tractors are the old Fords. I was in a Farmall 140 at an auction last summer, and it is definitely a Ford 7710 underneath. There are differences, such as a full shuttle shift instead of a dedicated reverse gear, but that distinctive floor shifter is a dead giveaway.

BTW, you can still buy as many true FARMALL tractors as you want, parts are plentiful, and parts are relatively cheap. There's a surplus of them out there, and if you put in the effort they can be made to be better than new.
 
Where are all these $800 Ms?
I'd like to find one with decent rears as they generally used 13.6 or 15.5 38s.
I need a good used set that size and would buy a tractor swap the tires and resell it for whatever.
 
Not as good as what? The family has ran several 72 series over the years, most running well over 10,000 hours before needing any real maintenance and all run to 15,000 to 18,000 hours as "main" tractors before being traded. Try doing that with an 06 or 56 series - out of necessity we did it with the 86 series back in the 1980s/1990s but those tractors were pretty ragged with that kind of use. Most of the 72s have all been replaced by MX series tractors that have been as good or better than what they replaced.


Are they not as good as John Deere? I can't say - but I do know the dealership probably has as much to do with make satisfaction than any differences in the tractor. In that regard the local Case-IH/New Holland dealership has it all over the local John Deere dealership.
 
If you can't find an $800 M you aren't looking to hard.

You want to buy a set of tires and get the tractor for free.
 
(quoted from post at 06:55:11 11/17/17) Where are all these $800 Ms?

Auctions. 95% of private sellers have this idea that old == rare == expensive. You can occasionally snag a good deal, but you have to be quick because they don't stay up for sale very long.

But, you're not likely to get an $800 M with a new set of tires on it.
 
Farmall M, IH 715 combines, IH 856, etc. were great machines in their day, but they are severely obsolete now. The designs would need to be completely different to compete in today's market. If the designs left original, what would the resale value be for a $30,000 a "New M", a $100,000 "New 715" or a $100,000 "New 856"? Would a five year old "New M" with 1,500 hours resell for $15,000 to $25,000 or closer to the $1,000 to $1,500 market for an old M? Would a five year old "New 715" with 1,000 hours resell for $50,000 or closer to $1,500?

Depreciation would be a killer for most potential buyers including collectors. Production volumes would be very low, it would be difficult to recover the $10,000,000 to $50,000,000 tooling costs. Kind of like the attempt to bring back the "Indian" motorcycles.
 

It would be if they actually built a modern version of the H and M letter series, instead of the current marketing "branding" usage of the farmall nameplate and current styling. They have changed suppliers of there compact tractor line over the years a few times. I think CNH is missing a huge opportunity in this area of sales. They are kind of coming around with the new "A" series line. We were in the market for a new utility tractor severally years ago, looked at all the brands, and dealer support. The large CNH dealer had very little inventory. Kubota and John Deere had inventory and offered onsitr demos. I guess it all depends on the dealer network you are located in.
 
Who would buy them? Do you know how much cheaper it would be to do a complete nut and blot restoration on one than it would be to build a new one from scratch?
 
"A company that can,t figure out whether it wants to be RED or BLUE sure want be bringing any thing else in. Be lucky if they don,t cut one of the two lines they have in the coming years."

Wouldn't be surprised. Agco sure dropped some paint colors a dozen years or so ago.
 
If they build a new M they better build a new ground drive binder so we can chase it around the field.
 
To the best of my knowledge Fiat did not own Case IH , at the time of the merger. And I agree that the Maxum and Magnum tractors were among the best tractors built. Now the Fiat built MXU , not a good tractor. Many of the farmers around me have abandon CNH , and move on to Fendt , JD , and Kubota .
The Ford built tractors were Great! Then they replaced the Ford tractors with blue Fiats and named then New Holland. That was when they lost me.
 
I have a really nice 1950 M. Went through it completely. It had a new block and head when IH had their fire sale on foundry parts years ago. Used very little after that. All bearings, gears were taken out , evaluated and replaced as necessary when I tore it down 10 2007. But, tires are not very good. Rims are. SHUCKS. But , I would never sell it for $800. No way. Bury it first.
 

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