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All around the 'net I see blank spots on various Forums where helpful information has been lost (probably for good) due to corporate greed. Thousands and THOUSANDS of archived posts on hobbyist and "do it yourself" Forums have been rendered useless by the loss of pertinent information, those threads may as well be purged, thrown away. WHAT a loss of knowledge, all through a click of the corporate mouse!

Yes, I understand photobucketofcrap was a FREE service, and at the whim of it's owners, but what a LOW, dirty blow, signing up free users, making us watch their *$&^%$ ads to use their "service" then taking a 180? turn and charging, BIG time to be able to post the information we laboriously uploaded, not to mention taking away access to what we'd already posted.

Sure, folks making use of the service PROFESSIONALLY perhaps can afford to pay bucket's ransom price, but for us using it as a hobby medium their fees are ridiculous.

GREEDY CORPORATE BA$$TARDS! Then, the industry pushes for "cloud computing and storage", and renting software. No thanks!
 
(quoted from post at 06:25:27 10/18/17) All around the 'net I see blank spots on various Forums where helpful information has been lost (probably for good) due to corporate greed. Thousands and THOUSANDS of archived posts on hobbyist and "do it yourself" Forums have been rendered useless by the loss of pertinent information, those threads may as well be purged, thrown away. WHAT a loss of knowledge, all through a click of the corporate mouse!

Yes, I understand photobucketofcrap was a FREE service, and at the whim of it's owners, but what a LOW, dirty blow, signing up free users, making us watch their *$&^%$ ads to use their "service" then taking a 180? turn and charging, BIG time to be able to post the information we laboriously uploaded, not to mention taking away access to what we'd already posted.

Sure, folks making use of the service PROFESSIONALLY perhaps can afford to pay bucket's ransom price, but for us using it as a hobby medium their fees are ridiculous.

GREEDY CORPORATE BA$$TARDS! Then, the industry pushes for "cloud computing and storage", and renting software. No thanks!
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my take is any corporartion will want to maximize profits for the shareholder, always the shareholder it seems, so shortsighted company directors make changes to increase profits but forget who is using the service. Result is many unhappy users who do not wish to pay for a once free service.
 
It's not just corporate greed, a lot of the investors have greedy ideas too, they want high returns on their money or they'll sell out the low yielding stock and buy where they believe they'll get better returns. Just saying, not trying to defend big corporations, but they aren't alone in their apparent greed......It's a social disease that affects a lot of monied people.
 
This site is run by a group of folk that sell old tractor parts.

Some day they will shut the door and turn out the lights.

Think what all will disappear.

Newagtalk is run by some farmers that do it for fun. Someday people will get old, get tired of it, and the lights will go out.

We are in the wild Wild West Days if the Internet still. Not too many rules, you can search and find just about anything, good or bad.

Someday society will hand down heavy rules and blocks and carve the place up, make it a whole different thing.

Businesses are working very hard to limit how the internet is accessed, so that they can profit from it. They give those ideas really cutie names, but the end result is that each company wants to limit which parts of the internet you can access. In short, they want to change the Internet from a free access to all corners; to more of a cable tv deal, you go through is and you can access these parts of the internet and no one else can, if you want to search Google you willhave a google access fee, if you want to search yahoo you have a yahoo access fee, if you want Facebook you need to be in on that google access deal, if you want a different social media you need a Microsoft access fee, etc. I think most of this is actually passing congress right now, and the days of enjoying the internet are soon over for all of us.

We used to get 3-4 tv channels with good stuff on it for free. Now we pay $100 a month to access 78 channels which mostly show infomercials and only have one good program on per channel all day. Isn't that stupid of us?

We will do the same to the internet. It's happening right now.

Paul
 
Greed is in human nature. Everyone has it. Be it greed for higher minimum wage to wanting to make billions. Or being greedy for that new tractor/car/house.

While I'm not up on what happened with the photo site companies have to make a profit. They have to have cash on hand to pay for raw materials or finished products to put on shelves, money to pay investors and profit. Farmers farm to make a profit too. Mom and pop shops have to make a profit too.

A company has to pay workers, buy materials or product, maintain buildings/pay leases, pay investors and make a profit. And yea, they have to make that profit because both state and the federal government want their taxes too.

Now sometimes companies make huge errors of judgement. I think the site mentioned has done that. They cut their own throat. They thought they had everyone hooked and people would gladly pay up. Guess not.......

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 06:25:27 10/18/17) All around the 'net I see blank spots on various Forums where helpful information has been lost (probably for good) due to corporate greed. Thousands and THOUSANDS of archived posts on hobbyist and "do it yourself" Forums have been rendered useless by the loss of pertinent information, those threads may as well be purged, thrown away. WHAT a loss of knowledge, all through a click of the corporate mouse!

Yes, I understand photobucketofcrap was a FREE service, and at the whim of it's owners, but what a LOW, dirty blow, signing up free users, making us watch their *$&^%$ ads to use their "service" then taking a 180? turn and charging, BIG time to be able to post the information we laboriously uploaded, not to mention taking away access to what we'd already posted.

Sure, folks making use of the service PROFESSIONALLY perhaps can afford to pay bucket's ransom price, but for us using it as a hobby medium their fees are ridiculous.

GREEDY CORPORATE BA$$TARDS! Then, the industry pushes for "cloud computing and storage", and renting software. No thanks!
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So you are now complaining that something that you got for free is now a pay for service. Interesting.

So lets try this. You have been giving free hay baling, tillage, crop growing for folks in your county. You have done this for several years and no one has given you any donations to pay for your fuel, equipment maintenance or equipment replacement. Now your equipment is worn out and requires replacement. Suddenly you present all of your customers with a large invoice and expect to collect for your services to continue. These same customers now start complaining that what they were getting for free is now costing them what they consider to be an arm and a leg. They are like you crying "NOT FAIR".

Let me ask this question. Would it be fair to you to not get paid for a service you are rendering? I am willing to venture that your answer is going to be "No".

Let's take a look at the folks that provide free hosting services on the WEB.
1- Do you think that the infrastructure to host these services is free? I can assure you it is not just like equipment you would have to buy in the example above is not free.
2- Do you think the maintenance of that equipment is free? Again I know it is not as I was the guy doing that maintenance for over 25 years.
3- Do you think the data center floor space is free that houses that equipment? Again it is not. If you wanted to use someones barn to house your equipment would you expect them to let you use that square footage for free?
4- Do you think the power that feeds that infrastructure is free? Is your electricity for your home provided for free? I would guess not.

Your thinking here is way off base.. The same type of thinking that most here complain about on a regular basis.

If you think I am wrong try this experiment. Take your farm equipment and do like the example I provided above. Go plow all the crop fields in your county, brush cut every place that needs it, plant all the crops in those fields you plowed, provide all the weed control and fertilizer for those same crops. Then harvest those crop giving all proceeds to the land owner. Let me know how long it takes you to go broke. Will you do this? I seriously doubt it as you will be crying but this is different! No it is not.

Do you really think those that provide free services can do so forever? They cannot. Servers and high end storage are very expensive and expensive to run. An example is that high end fast storage of 500 petabytes usable capacity is around $3.5M and slower at same capacity is around $1.8M. I could provide proof as I am the tech side of sales that created the BOM that was used for the pricing, but I will not so as not to let my competition know specs.

Most of these companies that provide these free services are doing so for two main reasons:

One is to find out is there a market for this type of service. Then if good charge for it. If not shut it down.

Two is let people use it and get their feedback for product development and once that development has been completed then make it a fee for service.

If this stance gets me flamed, makes me un-popular or gets me banned so be it. Just getting tired of all the "Give Me More & I want it for FREE" people.
 
Well I never could figure out how Mark Zuckerburg of facebook got so rich ? So far you can still use it for free ? And I don't care to use it !
Then there is Google. How do they get so rich and now control everything ?
Amazon ? A bizzillon dollar company that owns nothing tangable !
 

They sell advertising space and Google will also charge to have your web URL placed of the first page of a search since most people will not look beyond the first 2 search pages.
 

Amazon is the Walmart of the web. They make money selling products, renting videos, getting a piece of of others that sell through them, etc.
 
I agree with you 100% Bob.

I posted on this subject a few weeks ago and was also flamed, or at least singed, ha.
 
Ad clicks generate income.

Photobucket says they changed their business model because we are all using adblockers. I think they shot theirselves in the foot. Who's gonna pay $200 to post pictures that only can be seen by other people who pay $200?
 
(quoted from post at 10:09:44 10/18/17)
(quoted from post at 06:25:27 10/18/17) All around the 'net I see blank spots on various Forums where helpful information has been lost (probably for good) due to corporate greed. Thousands and THOUSANDS of archived posts on hobbyist and "do it yourself" Forums have been rendered useless by the loss of pertinent information, those threads may as well be purged, thrown away. WHAT a loss of knowledge, all through a click of the corporate mouse!

Yes, I understand photobucketofcrap was a FREE service, and at the whim of it's owners, but what a LOW, dirty blow, signing up free users, making us watch their *$&^%$ ads to use their "service" then taking a 180? turn and charging, BIG time to be able to post the information we laboriously uploaded, not to mention taking away access to what we'd already posted.

Sure, folks making use of the service PROFESSIONALLY perhaps can afford to pay bucket's ransom price, but for us using it as a hobby medium their fees are ridiculous.

GREEDY CORPORATE BA$$TARDS! Then, the industry pushes for "cloud computing and storage", and renting software. No thanks!
Click to expand...

So you are now complaining that something that you got for free is now a pay for service. Interesting.

So lets try this. You have been giving free hay baling, tillage, crop growing for folks in your county. You have done this for several years and no one has given you any donations to pay for your fuel, equipment maintenance or equipment replacement. Now your equipment is worn out and requires replacement. Suddenly you present all of your customers with a large invoice and expect to collect for your services to continue. These same customers now start complaining that what they were getting for free is now costing them what they consider to be an arm and a leg. They are like you crying "NOT FAIR".

Let me ask this question. Would it be fair to you to not get paid for a service you are rendering? I am willing to venture that your answer is going to be "No".

Let's take a look at the folks that provide free hosting services on the WEB.
1- Do you think that the infrastructure to host these services is free? I can assure you it is not just like equipment you would have to buy in the example above is not free.
2- Do you think the maintenance of that equipment is free? Again I know it is not as I was the guy doing that maintenance for over 25 years.
3- Do you think the data center floor space is free that houses that equipment? Again it is not. If you wanted to use someones barn to house your equipment would you expect them to let you use that square footage for free?
4- Do you think the power that feeds that infrastructure is free? Is your electricity for your home provided for free? I would guess not.

Your thinking here is way off base.. The same type of thinking that most here complain about on a regular basis.

If you think I am wrong try this experiment. Take your farm equipment and do like the example I provided above. Go plow all the crop fields in your county, brush cut every place that needs it, plant all the crops in those fields you plowed, provide all the weed control and fertilizer for those same crops. Then harvest those crop giving all proceeds to the land owner. Let me know how long it takes you to go broke. Will you do this? I seriously doubt it as you will be crying but this is different! No it is not.

Do you really think those that provide free services can do so forever? They cannot. Servers and high end storage are very expensive and expensive to run. An example is that high end fast storage of 500 petabytes usable capacity is around $3.5M and slower at same capacity is around $1.8M. I could provide proof as I am the tech side of sales that created the BOM that was used for the pricing, but I will not so as not to let my competition know specs.

Most of these companies that provide these free services are doing so for two main reasons:

One is to find out is there a market for this type of service. Then if good charge for it. If not shut it down.

Two is let people use it and get their feedback for product development and once that development has been completed then make it a fee for service.

If this stance gets me flamed, makes me un-popular or gets me banned so be it. Just getting tired of all the "Give Me More & I want it for FREE" people.
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our analogy is no good, just as are most analogies. The ag guy got nothing for his free service, whereas the photobucket got paid by advertisers for every peek. I have no problem for a company charging for a service, expect it. This about face, I call a scam!
 
(quoted from post at 08:04:14 10/18/17) Ad clicks generate income.

Photobucket says they changed their business model because we are all using adblockers. I think they shot theirselves in the foot. Who's gonna pay $200 to post pictures that only can be seen by other people who pay $200?
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That's the $64 question right there! Charge the members who post photos on the site - not the people visiting there simply to look at what's been posted. Why should I have to pay $200 to view maybe 6 photos per year that are hosted on that site? Bad business call, IMO.

I don't know how PhotoBucket had their legal info worded, but I would imagine that anything you loaded onto their servers "could" be used by them. If this is true, then they got several tons (figuratively speaking) of free photos that they can use or sell at their whimsy. If a free customer wouldn't come back after X amount of time, then could all those photos be considered abandoned property?
 
I know people who use Google to store all their photos. As long as Google is in business , they're ok, just like photobucket was. But anyone that complains that their photos have disappeared or who now must PAY to post them has no one to blame but themselves. Would need to read each site's terms and use agreements to see what recourse you might have, but all my digital photos get backed up and stored on DVD, probably never to be looked at again :lol:
 
When I first started to use the internet in the 90's, I copied and pasted links to websites, etc. for future reference. Don't like bookmarks - PIA to backup. Over time, websites purge themselves of big data, completely go away, servers crash and data is lost, or they become pay sites. The Web Archive don't save many images, it seems.
I know it takes time, but anything I read anymore, and want to refer to later, especially good advice from here, I copy and paste it in to a word document. Might be "wrong" in some way, but what's the difference between that and websites caching stuff on your hard drive you don't want there? I've got gigs of stuff I have saved. Fortunately, hard drive space is no longer an issue. Title your docs well for successful searching. Back your stuff up frequently. Hard drives die every day.. Not copying ad crap is tough sometimes, and, sometimes finding what I have saved becomes a challenge.......Just some thoughts...
 
Cubes -- Same here. I have several backup HDD's.

Let's look at this one step further by adding YT to the list. How many folks would come here and ask questions if YT suddenly started charging -- not only for the people posting on the site, but also for visitors to browse the site? Imagine if we had to pay for a website before we could even browse around on the site? Sounds kinda crazy to me!!
 
(quoted from post at 14:04:41 10/18/17) Always ready to stir the pot huh! LOL
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he L is always on full alert to put a negative spin on any little thing that they might hang it on......SOP these days :(
 
Maybe soon every site will want a fee for this or that (even this one) and I can put this thing on my trash pile where it belongs and then get something done besides being lead around in circles by the nose trying to find something. TDF
 
Every time a person passes lots of know how is lost even when companys are bought up or go under all the time.That will keep on long after you or I are gone.Yes I see both side of post but blowing up your blood pressure will not change a thing.Scott
 
Greed is rampant everywhere and makes a joke out of the word 'profit'. But you can't blame them for having to pay for huge amounts storage space or to constantly upgrade their server infrastructure or outsource it. Before there were forums, there was Usenet. And what killed Usenet were image files in an era when storage space wasn't cheap.
 
"Amazon ? A bizzillon dollar company that owns nothing tangable !"

You might want to take a closer look at what Amazon actually does.
Sure, they have a "stuff for sale" website, but that's not all they do.
 
"Forums where helpful information has been lost (probably for good) due to corporate greed."

Well, it's not truly lost. PB still [i:858b27f98f][b:858b27f98f]owns[/b:858b27f98f][/i:858b27f98f] it, per their user agreement
that everyone who posted pictures agreed to when they posted.

I think they have every right to make a profit, but this decision
could have been handled far better. For example, they could have
said "Ok, everything that is there now will stay, but anything new
requires you to pay the fee under our new fee structure."

I think that would have retained many more customers, broken
less websites, PO'ed less people and garnered them a bit more respect.
After all, it's not like they're getting rid of that data to save storage.
Then only thing they might save is some bandwidth for downloads/views.
 
It is not greed to want to make a profit. If it was we would all be guilty of it. Profit is what brings new products and innovation and improvement of old products. If Henry Ford could not have made a profit on his cars and the rest as well we would still be using buggies and horses.
I pay for a couple of premium youtube sites like 10 dollars a month and what I get is worth several times that much. With profit what we get will be a lot better.
 
(quoted from post at 18:31:25 10/18/17) "Forums where helpful information has been lost (probably for good) due to corporate greed."

Well, it's not truly lost. PB still [i:3d1397f083][b:3d1397f083]owns[/b:3d1397f083][/i:3d1397f083] it, per their user agreement
that everyone who posted pictures agreed to when they posted.

I think they have every right to make a profit, but this decision
could have been handled far better. For example, they could have
said "Ok, everything that is there now will stay, but anything new
requires you to pay the fee under our new fee structure."

I think that would have retained many more customers, broken
less websites, PO'ed less people and garnered them a bit more respect.
After all, it's not like they're getting rid of that data to save storage.
Then only thing they might save is some bandwidth for downloads/views.
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Precisely. Photobucket was making a lot of money selling ads, but they weren't doing very well. Their new CEO was so out of touch with normal people that he thought $400 per year would not be an issue. He has admitted it was a blunder. And, instead of a transition, they just blocked all the photos which had been posted through their site. Had they gone to a few dollars per month they would have had thousands sign up and then could have crept up the price every year. Instead they asked for too much (through ignorance of wealthy management) and likely will sink the site before long. After they admitted their move was a mistake they couldn't retract it and try something else.

Those who think free sites aren't paid for by advertising are a bit naive.
 
(quoted from post at 09:25:27 10/18/17) All around the 'net I see blank spots on various Forums where helpful information has been lost (probably for good) due to corporate greed. Thousands and THOUSANDS of archived posts on hobbyist and "do it yourself" Forums have been rendered useless by the loss of pertinent information, those threads may as well be purged, thrown away. WHAT a loss of knowledge, all through a click of the corporate mouse!

Yes, I understand photobucketofcrap was a FREE service, and at the whim of it's owners, but what a LOW, dirty blow, signing up free users, making us watch their *$&^%$ ads to use their "service" then taking a 180? turn and charging, BIG time to be able to post the information we laboriously uploaded, not to mention taking away access to what we'd already posted.

Sure, folks making use of the service PROFESSIONALLY perhaps can afford to pay bucket's ransom price, but for us using it as a hobby medium their fees are ridiculous.

GREEDY CORPORATE BA$$TARDS! Then, the industry pushes for "cloud computing and storage", and renting software. No thanks!
Click to expand...

There is so much wrong with that attitude that I cannot even begin. I can't figure out what makes you think that you are entitled to a free service that costs the providers of that service a pretty penny. What makes your need superior to the need of the owners of photobucket?
 
(quoted from post at 13:36:09 10/19/17)
(quoted from post at 09:25:27 10/18/17) All around the 'net I see blank spots on various Forums where helpful information has been lost (probably for good) due to corporate greed. Thousands and THOUSANDS of archived posts on hobbyist and "do it yourself" Forums have been rendered useless by the loss of pertinent information, those threads may as well be purged, thrown away. WHAT a loss of knowledge, all through a click of the corporate mouse!

Yes, I understand photobucketofcrap was a FREE service, and at the whim of it's owners, but what a LOW, dirty blow, signing up free users, making us watch their *$&^%$ ads to use their "service" then taking a 180? turn and charging, BIG time to be able to post the information we laboriously uploaded, not to mention taking away access to what we'd already posted.

Sure, folks making use of the service PROFESSIONALLY perhaps can afford to pay bucket's ransom price, but for us using it as a hobby medium their fees are ridiculous.

GREEDY CORPORATE BA$$TARDS! Then, the industry pushes for "cloud computing and storage", and renting software. No thanks!
Click to expand...

There is so much wrong with that attitude that I cannot even begin. I can't figure out what makes you think that you are entitled to a free service that costs the providers of that service a pretty penny. What makes your need superior to the need of the owners of photobucket?
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Well said!

Rick
 
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