Knotter demonstrator?

Wheat47

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Has anyone out there ever seen or made a demo knotter off a baler that one turns by hand (or an electric motor) to show people how they work? I've got access to a scrap baler that is complete enough to devise such a machine. But I'm not quite sure where to start. Any help and/or info is greatly appreciated.
Jon K
 
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Yeah I have one that I made like NH had in the old days it is just a shaft sticking up with the cam gear mounted to a handle and the knotter sitting on it and a clamp to hold the knotter turn the lever and test knotter HTH
 
Well, I always figured the knotter inventor was insane, or became insane after he finished making one!!!
 
They had one at tech school. Basically a section of the bale case with the needle frame and knotters on it with a crank to turn it with. Start with a pile of parts on the bench, assemble them and make all the adjustments. Crank it through a cycle and if the twine had a good knot you passed that chapter. Tear it down and leave it in a heap for the next guy.
 
I think I spent half a winter in the barn with a JD214, turning the flywheel until I wore out the skin on my hands learning to make that b@$*#%# tie right! I finally beat it, but it sure wasn't with help from the JD manual! I re-wrote that page of that manual, so I wouldn't need to re-learn another time. It worked correctly for the rest of my hay baling life. I hire somebody to do round bales nowdays.
 
In my opinion the square baler is the most impressive machine made. The ones made today are not much different than one made 40 years ago
 
I tried !Actually that was more like the time I taught physics. Believe by some quirk of fate I was the only person in our county certified by the state to teach physics. So one period each day that year instead of teaching Ag I taught physics.
 
Thanks for this confusing post about knitters, that I never understood! Just for that, I'm gonna start my own post about my problems with my Hayliner 268 in the implement section!!
 
I never really understood them either, but I had a really good teacher. I saw him fix knotters over the phone!! At one time, I had a book that NH put out that was knotters only. It had about twice as much info as in the Operators manual. It said if the string on a bad knot was so long, it meant one thing. If it was a different length, it was something else wrong. And was it the top string or the bottom string?? I later went to work for a Deere dealer, and that book went with me. Their knotters had the same problems, just different adjustment specs.
I can still fix a knotter, just takes me a bit longer!!
 
Just don't mix up the deering style knotters with the other style IH started using on the 45 balers up until they quit making their own balers. Double diameter bow knot. IH also has their own book showing all the different failures of knot with different length of strings on needle twine and disk twine.
 
I HAD A 273 NH YEARS AGO, WORKED DAYS AND DAYS GETTING THEM ADJUSTED, ONCE THEY WERE RIGHT NEVER HAD A PROBLEM IN THE 5 YRS I OWNED IT. TO THIS DAY I CANT UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK.
 
Yes, the IH knotters I'm familiar with were really different. The bale pulled the knot off the bill hook, there was no wiper arm, and you had to get the twine knife sharp and spaced JJUUSSTT right. Fortunately, I only worked on one or two of them, but some how I managed to get them going!! IHC 45T balers meant 45 thousand troubles!!!!
So what happened?!?!?! A friend gave me an IH 57 square baler!! A project for next year!!
 
That's very true!!! I also have a A/C 303 square baler and I needed a bill hook for it, So I went to the Agco/Massey dealer, thinking gotta start someplace. They said they still use the bill hook today on the big square balers!! I was pleasantly supprised!!
 
I bought a JD14T that had the knotters in a 5 gallon bucket. My dad and I reassembled it, timed it, and made it bale hay. I then bought a Ford 530 baler. Timed it like I did the JD14T and promptly broke both needles.
 

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