Believe it or not,GAF lifetime shingles

Geo-TH,In · Apr 5, 2017

Believe it or Not. I find it hard to believe there isn't some fine print and wiggle room.

Sister just had her roof replaced in Florida with a 50 year warranty as long as property remains in her name. BIL said it was half the price of metal.

Again this is a believe it or not post.
Post a pic below of sign I saw at a local lumber yard.
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Geo-TH,In · Apr 5, 2017

Pic of sign

Crazy Horse · Apr 5, 2017

Interesting, I just went through the last nine months dealing with Building Products shingle issues and so-called warranty. IKO shingles had the same problems with paper-based asphalt shingles. Well, in my case, 15 years gone out of 25 year warranty, so that is 60% gone, leaving 40%. But when you replace your whole roof (100%), not 100% will need replacing, just in the most vulnerable areas like some parts of south-facing slopes, valleys, etc. So in my case, there was about 20% damage so 20% of 40% is 8% of the cost of the shingles. They ignore what you paid of course the last time it was done to pay the roofer, they just deal with replacing the shingles, in my case 8% of the shingles for a re-roof. I got about $400 back ..... ha, hardly what a guy expects when he goes into the settlement routine. Neither outfit makes paper-based asphalt shingles up here anymore, they are all fibreglass strand based asphalt shingles now.

Stephen Newell · Apr 5, 2017

I think the shingles I have on my house will make 50 years. They are 31 now and don't look bad at all. I don't think they were warrantied for even 30 years though. I don't have receipts for the shingles anymore anyway. Who would keep receipts for shingles for 50 years though.

RayP(MI) · Apr 5, 2017

Few years ago, I had the discussion with my building contractor, in regard to my 25 year warranty shingles. He said the shingle manufacturers fold and renew their business every ten or twelve years. That way, when the product fails prematurely, there's no one to go back on, as your manufacturer no longer exists.

Olliejunkie · Apr 5, 2017

(quoted from post at 15:49:37 04/05/17) Few years ago, I had the discussion with my building contractor, in regard to my 25 year warranty shingles. He said the shingle manufacturers fold and renew their business every ten or twelve years. That way, when the product fails prematurely, there's no one to go back on, as your manufacturer no longer exists.

My roofer told me the same thing. Said most manufacturers won't be around in 20 years along with contractors.

Dean · Apr 5, 2017

They are playing the probability game.

Most houses change hands well before 50 years and most contractors are long gone much before.

Dean

Traditional Farmer · Apr 6, 2017

Reminds me of a local Country Club, friend of mine bought 3 'lifetime' memberships to it and its under its 4th ownership now

VicS · Apr 6, 2017

The gaf plant is at mt.vernon in.been there a long time. They have shingles staked every where.

Mike M · Apr 6, 2017

Lucky me. I bought a house with those IKO (junk) shingles on it too. No warranty unless you were the original owner I was told.
I also had some bad simington windows too. I did get a few replaced early on but those didn't hold up either.

Bret4207 · Apr 6, 2017

Put me in the "not" group. #1, what makes anyone think GAF will be around in it's current form in 5 years, much less 50? And what makes you think they'll actually honor the warranty? I've told the story here before about Estwing. For decades they had a lifetime warranty on their leather handled hammers. They just stopped one day- period. Blamed it on OSHA, but I don't fall under OSHA regulations. And then of course you have to prove the shingles were properly installed and maintained and have to have all the receipts. It's a scam, nothing less.

You want a lifetime roof and you don't want metal, then get slate and prepare to have it maintained every spring. Myself, I've seen metal roofs done prior to WW2 still doing their job with little more than the odd screw or nail added. I know some folks just hate metal roofs, but in my area, shingles are a 10-15 year at best proposition. IOW- a waste of time and money.

D beatty · Apr 6, 2017

Lifetime warranties aren't worth the paper they are wrote on.

dhermesc · Apr 6, 2017

I've seen a lot of plain Jane 3 tab white shingles last 25-30 years - usually those are the cheapest ones that can be bought. I would think anything with some quality material would make 40 years fairly easy.

Geo-TH,In · Apr 6, 2017

Dean,
I Googled gaf warranty.

GAF's Lifetime Design Shingles far exceed industry performance standards-so it's no surprise that they include exceptional warranty protection. Every GAF Lifetime Design Shingle is backed by a Lifetime ltd. warranty, plus Smart Choice Protection for the first ten years and 130 mph wind coverage.

Then it sounds like you have to register shingles with GAF, so contractor may go out of business. GAF will have to go out of business too.

Who is to say you may have problems collection of a metal roof that fails, especially with 130 mph wind. I saw many twisted metal barns on news this morning.
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db4600 · Apr 6, 2017

So many variables in that whole picture. Substraight, drainage, venting, tree cover... They'll find a way to wiggle out of it where they can.
I have also seen 3-tab shingles that have out lasted their life and don't have a clear answer why. According to today's install recommendations they were installed wrong. A common failure I see, and I'm fighting the same battle of my old house, is that the newer shingle does not hold up on old houses with poor venting. They are baking out, and curling, and breaking. I suspect the cause is the ingredients that they put in the newer shingle. The good stuff that made them last can't be used anymore.

1948CaseVAI · Apr 6, 2017

I don't know about lifetime, but GAF is the only brand of shingles worth considering. General Aniline and Film (GAF) started well over 100 years ago. There have been acquisitions in the meantime but the foundation of the company has been around over a century and is likely to continue for a long time.

dr sportster · Apr 6, 2017

I don't know I have GAF shingles on my house but I worked at the Owens -Corning factory and they made a pretty good shingle.

JDEM · Apr 6, 2017

We had their best shingles on our house new in 1995. Barely lasted 20 years. GAF lost a big class-action law-suit. Now? A lifetime warranty for "material defects." Okay. Who can tell me exactly what that means? If a shingle goes bad from sun and ozone in 30 years - does it have a "material defect?" I kind of doubt it. I suspect they could just call that natural wear. I have yet to find what GAF is using as a legal definition for "material defect."

Bret4207 · Apr 6, 2017

(quoted from post at 10:03:03 04/06/17) I've seen a lot of plain Jane 3 tab white shingles last 25-30 years - usually those are the cheapest ones that can be bought. I would think anything with some quality material would make 40 years fairly easy.

Depends entirely on where you live. 3 tabs up here are 10 year shingle if you are lucky. My house had a new 3 tab roof the year before I moved in. It was toast 6 years later.

Bret4207 · Apr 6, 2017

(quoted from post at 10:07:30 04/06/17) Dean,
I Googled gaf warranty.

GAF's Lifetime Design Shingles far exceed industry performance standards-so it's no surprise that they include exceptional warranty protection. Every GAF Lifetime Design Shingle is backed by a Lifetime ltd. warranty, plus Smart Choice Protection for the first ten years and 130 mph wind coverage.

Then it sounds like you have to register shingles with GAF, so contractor may go out of business. GAF will have to go out of business too.

Who is to say you may have problems collection of a metal roof that fails, especially with 130 mph wind. I saw many twisted metal barns on news this morning.
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You think a shingle roof will stand up to 130 mph winds? I get you hate steel roofs and diesel and wood smoke George, but with all due respect, an actual 130 mph wind and your last worry is going to be the roof!

Geo-TH,In · Apr 6, 2017

I think you may be onto something, lifetime warranty on manufacturer's defect. I bought brake pads from O'Reilly's with a lifetime manufacturer's warranty. That doesn't mean the same thing as lifetime warranty you get at Autozone. At Autozone, lifetime warranty means if pads wear out, you get new one. No new ones from O'Reillys.

I said this is believe it or not and I don't believe it, the fine print may have some wiggle room.
IMHO, we may see more lifetime shingles as a way to counter forever metal shingles.

Geo-TH,In · Apr 6, 2017

Brett,
Why are so negative, even hateful? Did
you fail to read what I posted?

Believe it or Not. I find it hard to
believe there isn't some fine print and
wiggle room.

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WGM · Apr 6, 2017

Very few metal roofs would withstand 130 mph winds.

WGM · Apr 6, 2017

Owens Corning shingles are the best on the market.

dr sportster · Apr 7, 2017

Looked like a good product to me.

Bret4207 · Apr 7, 2017

(quoted from post at 19:08:14 04/06/17) Brett,
Why are so negative, even hateful? Did
you fail to read what I posted?

Believe it or Not. I find it hard to
believe there isn't some fine print and
wiggle room.

geo

Please show me the respect of not labeling frustration with your changing the paradigm as "hate". I know you dislike steel roofs George, I know you think your choices are the best and I don't fault you for that. But when you want to try to prove your point by bringing 130mph winds into the mix, as though any roof is going to take that and be in fine shape, I get a little incredulous. My high dollar IKO 30 year architectural shingle roof my wife insisted on doesn't even stand up well to the 40-60 mph winds we get. My metal barn roof is doing fine except for the spots a nail came out (had the Amish install it and they won't use screws-my mistake) in those same winds. I think you're reaching by trying to bring hurricane force winds into the mix. Please, you use shingles and I will use steel and hopefully both if us will be happy.

FWIW-You posted the fine print post after I posted my response to the 130 mph wind post, so there's no way I could have read it before I posted, is there?

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