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Barge wagon identification

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I have a barge wagon that I have had stored in my barn and haven't used much in the 16 years that I've owned. I am looking to sell it, but am not sure what it is worth. It is a Giant brand 6 x 12 wagon with a Big Butch hoist. The running gear appears to look like a John Deere 1065a from my google searches. I found a link that showed a brochure that Giant Manufacturing in Council Bluffs, Ia. did make the John Deere barge wagons that look very similar to mine in the 60's. I also have seen just the running gear alone for sale at more than a $1000 without the box. Any help would be very appreciated. I attached a few pictures to help identify. I don't see any identification stickers other than the big butch logo on the hoist.
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Well I can not help you on the box itself but the running gear is NOT a JD running gear. The steering is wrong. On a JD running gear the tie rod linkage is on the rear of the axle not the front. The tongue/hitch is not correct either as JDs did not have the stops on the side of the hitch pivot.

You running gear looks more like a short line one. Maybe a Daykon. I just know it is not a JD gear.

Picture is a JD 1065a. See how the steering linkage is behind the axle???
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No idea on the wagon but I agree that its not a JD. JDs always had 6 hole rims. You never see the barge wagons here in NNY. I'd love to have one.
 
From what I have seen, a running gear will usually bring more money then a wagon. When my neighbor passed away, they had an auction. He had a NICE New Holland forage box on a JD tandem axle running gear. The tractor jockey that bought it, would have paid me to take the box. All he wanted was the running gear.
A good place to check actual values is Big Iron. If you are registered, you can go back and look at action results.
 
That wagon looks a lot like an Electric brand except for the 5 bolt rims. Can't say I've ever seen one jut like it. It's the wrong time of year to sell a wagon now, but towards fall you should be able to get $1,000.00 or maybe a little more for that one. If you knew what the rating on that wagon was it would help some, with an 8 or 10 ton gear they sell higher. I always liked those wagon which were popular in Iowa mostly, but it's a long way to go for one.
 

Nice looking wagon, been thinking about finding one with a hoist under it.
Don't care much for the 5-6 ton gear it's setting on, most of mine are 8 ton on 6 lug wheels.

Where's it located?
 

At one time TSC sold running gears. HUSKEE brand if I remember right. The green paint and white wheels look correct for a Huskee.

"Big Butch" I believe was sold by John Deere.
 
Could this be it? Oliver 5026. That would explain Jon thinking Electric. Oliver wagons were made by the Electric Wheel Company.
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The 4/5 ton Electric/Oliver/Case wagon has 5 bolt wheels and looks like that. If the front and rear beams are stitch welded rather than fully welded that would likely be the model it is. Case rated that wagon at 4 tons but electric rated it at 5 tons, or maybe that is reversed, I'm not real sure. If that is what he has it is somewhat under rated for that box.
 
Gravity wagons pushed barge boxes out of the market by the early 1970's. It's impressive that a 40 to 50 year old wagon is still in good condition and still has its original paint. It has been well taken care of. The tires look original too, forty to fifty year old tires could limit it's value.
 
Thanks for all of the replies. It may be the Oliver 5026 running gear. That looks pretty close to what I have. I will go out and look closer for any identification on the gear. Hopefully I can find something to figure out the brand and tonnage rating.

I am located north of Fremont, Ne. I bought it from a guy in Gretna, Ne. It is in really good condition. Even the floor looks near new. I bet I have used it 20 times in 16 years. Always has been in the barn.

Here is a link to a site where someone posted a John Deere wagon manual:

http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=614733&DisplayType=flat&setCookie=1

The wagon looks the same other than the color.
 
cdb, That looks like a very nice barge box. I have never heard of the Giant Mfg Co barge box. As for a market value, there has been a wide range on these in my world, southeastern Minnesota. Many people would agree that the Heider barge box to the the cadillac of barge boxes made in the heyday. I bought a real nice 7x12 Heider on a 7-8 ton gear with good implement tires and hoist for $600 and two weeks later I saw two even better Heider 6x12 barge wagon on Westendorf gears with hoists sell on a well advertised sale for $600 a piece. Outside of these three, I have seen barge boxes from a variety of manufacturers range in size from 6x10, 6x12, 7x14 boxes mostly on 6 ton gears with hoists range in price from $250-$700. Another factor would be who do you want to sell this to? Some people buy these wagons and use them for hauling/storing wood or hauling rock/gravel. And some people would buy the package together just for the gear and scrap the box. Not too many people out there that are going to use them to pick ear corn or haul grain as they were intended to. I wish you were closer and I had a bit more shed space. Thanks for sharing and with you luck in selling it.
 
I crawled around underneath and didn't find any tags or stickers to identify the running gear. I took a few more pictures in case they would help with the identification. The New Holland and Electric wagons appear to be close...but, can't seem to find an exact match via google.

I did find a posting from oliver fan and downsouth from 02-28-2012 with the title: Electric running gear capacities help:

The advertising on the Electric Wagons show the follow ratings:

Model 5030 -7000 lbs. W/ 4 bolt wheels

Model 5015 -9000 lbs. W/ 5 bolt wheels

Model 5025 -11000 lbs W/ 5 bolt wheels

Model 5026 -14000 lbs W/ 6 bolt wheels

Model 5010 -20000 lbs W/ 8 bolt wheels
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Around me and what I am looking to buy next week at the consignment sale the beds have to be 7' by at least 14', but prefer 16' and that weight gear if just fine don't want too heavy. These wagons are eventually be pulled with horses. And have to have removeable side boards for bales and grain boards of not over 2 ' high.
 
(quoted from post at 13:17:29 03/26/17) cdb, That looks like a very nice barge box. I have never heard of the Giant Mfg Co barge box. As for a market value, there has been a wide range on these in my world, southeastern Minnesota. Many people would agree that the Heider barge box to the the cadillac of barge boxes made in the heyday. I bought a real nice 7x12 Heider on a 7-8 ton gear with good implement tires and hoist for $600 and two weeks later I saw two even better Heider 6x12 barge wagon on Westendorf gears with hoists sell on a well advertised sale for $600 a piece. Outside of these three, I have seen barge boxes from a variety of manufacturers range in size from 6x10, 6x12, 7x14 boxes mostly on 6 ton gears with hoists range in price from $250-$700. Another factor would be who do you want to sell this to? Some people buy these wagons and use them for hauling/storing wood or hauling rock/gravel. And some people would buy the package together just for the gear and scrap the box. Not too many people out there that are going to use them to pick ear corn or haul grain as they were intended to. I wish you were closer and I had a bit more shed space. Thanks for sharing and with you luck in selling it.
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GIANT mfg. also made truck boxes and stock racks for pickup trucks. If you go back enough years, every farm pickup and 2 ton straight truck was equipped with either a GIANT, or an OBECO.
 
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