Another tractor tiedown ?


If you're referring to what I know of as a "load binder", here's a website that lists one as a best seller:
http://www.westechrigging.com/load-securement-binders.html
 
As far as I know, they are still legal in MOST states. They are required to have the weight rating on them, and be rated at least as heavy as the chain they are attached to.

Ross
 
Dave If you get the ratchet binders be careful. You can tear up a trailer.They are easy to get too tight. I think they are better than the pop over binders. Just my opinion. RB
 
To stop chains from tearing up stake pockets L pick up D rings that drop in stake pockets and rated at 12,000 lbs.
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I use both. I use the over center on front of tractor and snub it down just tight and use ratchet on back and take them up till they start to get tight and then take tractor out of gear and finish tightening tractor down with rachet binders. This way you don't have trouble with over center binder getting away from you.
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I picked up four D rings for the stake pockets for the same reason. I didn't like the way the hook looked when tightened.
 
Dbeaty,
Where did you buy the stake pocket D rings?

I have D rings on the front and back corners of my trailer, would be nice to have stake pocket D ring.

BTW, I use two chains of fixed length for my rear D rings and center tractor to tighten both chains, no tightners needed on rear chains.

geo.
 
I'm not understanding the "tearing up" of the stake pockets. When I bought my deckover trailer it was well used and I've used it quite a bit since, and there is no signs of any "tearing up" of the stake pockets. Other parts of the trailer are tore up, but not the stake pockets. We're not shy about torquing down the load binders either.
 

The over center binders are preferred over the ratchet type under some conditions. After a few miles on dirt roads in the rain or paved roads with sand on them in the winter, the ratchet type can get very hard to work.
 
They would be illegal here as they would put you over width. I have had several trailers and never had any problems with the stake pockets.

Ratchet binders work good on items that do not have any flex such as a dozer but are difficult to use on items with rubber tires because of the difficulty og getting the slack out of the chain.
 
(quoted from post at 05:54:09 02/24/17) I'm not understanding the "tearing up" of the stake pockets. When I bought my deckover trailer it was well used and I've used it quite a bit since, and there is no signs of any "tearing up" of the stake pockets. Other parts of the trailer are tore up, but not the stake pockets. We're not shy about torquing down the load binders either.

I think that tearing up is the equivalent to scratching the paint. In today's English the word "destroyed" is used for real damage. As in if you break up with your girlfriend you "destroy" her life.
 
That rating for the "D" rings would be with a straight on pull. Pulling at an angle like shown in the Farmall picture would somewhat reduce that rating I am sure. Look at the eye bolt ratings in McMaster Carr. For an eyebolt with a shoulder the rating is reduced 75% for a load applied at 45 degrees. Loads applied at angles want to deform the "D" as opposed to a straight on load.
 
I always drop the chain down through the top of the stake pocket, and bring the chain around to hook on the topside on the outside of the pocket. Chain stays hooked while setting the binder, instead of falling off. No issue of stressing the pocket.
 
All trailers are not made alike. I used a three foot boomer pipe and made sure the tires squished and tied the handles. My tractors always stayed put. If I was still hauling tractors I would only use the boomers.

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You have to learn to clean and lightly lug your ratchet bjndes every so often to keep them in shape.
 
I, too, do not understand about load binders putting you over width. When using stake pockets, I've always dropped a chain end down the pocket and hooked upward, then put the load binder inline.

Also, I have NEVER(!!) had a load binder come loose on me, and for one very simple reason - because I was taught from an early age about always wrapping excess chain around the handle. If I don't have enough excess chain, then use rope, baling twine or even several wraps of duct tape.

I had a load "settle" on me one time. Chains slackened, but kept an eye on the load as I was expecting as much. The load binders were still just as perfectly locked as when I left, as it was physically impossible for the handle to pop open. And yes, I always use an extension bar - what I grew up learning as a cheater bar - also good for breaking rusted-on bolts free. ...Have broken a few sockets and ratchets in my time though! :lol:

Honestly, I cannot understand why normal load binders would be outlawed in any state. It all boils down to doing things the right way and not being careless. I don't even own a ratcheting binder and probably never will as I've got 20 miles of gravel road and very long winters - both of which can gum up a ratcheting binder. Sand and rocks are hard on the gearing!!
 
I got mine from a PJ dealer just south of Michigantown,In and a Dealer in Elkhart,In. Watch when you get them because they come in different weight ratings. If you get on PJs or Johnson Trailers web sites you can buy them a lot cheaper than going through dealer.
 
I didn't like the way they looked with chain wrapped through it and and hooked back on chain. I went to these hooks on one end of all chains for trailer and hook hooks to D ring. These hooks are rated at 6,600 lbs. same as 3/8 grade 70 chain.
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I believe the over center cinches are legal but the handles have to be tied down and on drivers side so he can see them in his mirror easily.I also drop my hook down through the stake pocket and bring it up to hook onto the stake pocket. Ed Will Oliver BC
 
If your trailer is 102" wide from rub rail or stake pockets a chain on out side of stake pocket or rub rail makes you over 102" which is max
legal width. They also don't like chains or straps on outside of stape pocket or rub rails because if you would get to close to an object and
rub it you could knock chains or straps off.
 
I use both all the time all over the country, and never heard anything about one or the other being outlawed (illegal). I Do hook down the opposite side of the pocket from the direction I am pulling so the chain pulls away from the pocket on top. I 've had this trailer since 1998 and no bent stake pockets yet. As for the BS about the over width with in reason the ties down equipment is not considered part of the load so not counted in the width. Now this does not mean you can have it sticking out feet or many inches from the side to tie down your legal width load.
There are places that snap binders or over center work better for space than the ratchet binders and vice versa.
As for the contest about the angle of the pull I will not get into that it is a no win deal.
 
both styles are leagle, so far, but, the over center type must be secured with a binder bar, you cant tighten those enough by just using your hands, afterward the extra chain, or some kind of device must be present to prevent any possibility of road shock making the binder pop open, as to rub rails, the law says chains and boomers cannot be on the outside of the rub rail, im assuming they mean the working load side of the chain, cops may or may not know that or enforce it, ratchet styles are easier to get tight provided there kept lubricated, i used both kinds, we used strictly ratchet styles on all machines that weighed over 50,000 lbs, why was because the boss said so
 
(quoted from post at 11:46:04 02/24/17) both styles are leagle, so far, but, the over center type must be secured with a binder bar, you cant tighten those enough by just using your hands, afterward the extra chain, or some kind of device must be present to prevent any possibility of road shock making the binder pop open, as to rub rails, the law says chains and boomers cannot be on the outside of the rub rail, im assuming they mean the working load side of the chain, cops may or may not know that or enforce it, ratchet styles are easier to get tight provided there kept lubricated, i used both kinds, we used strictly ratchet styles on all machines that weighed over 50,000 lbs, why was because the boss said so

Eric, while it is correct for you to do as your boss tells you, and all of these rules you mention are good rules, you still shouldn't represent them as the law.
 
I believe the over center cinches are legal but the handles have to be tied down and on drivers side so he can see them in his mirror easily.I also drop my hook down through the stake pocket and bring it up to hook onto the stake pocket. Ed Will Oliver BC
 
Well, I guess I'll just check my load binders to see if they have the same capacity or better than the chains. I do have 8 13000 pound straps and 4 of the things that go over the tires to secure a vehicle. One of the guys that hauls vehicles to the dealer next door told me he likes them because he doesn't have to crawl under the vehicles to tie the down.
Thanks guys
 
That is a KocH 3/8 Grade 70 hook and they don't mark both sides of hook and it is a 6,600 lb. hook. Grade 70 hooks and chain are gold and have a 70 stamped in every other link.
 

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