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Fawteen

Fawteen

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Why do people come here and ask for advice, and then proceed to tell every responder that they're wrong?

If you know so much and/or have already made up your mind, why ask?
 
I have an uncle like that. Calls me all the time with a question usually looking for vindication, not an answer. When I give an answer he does not want to hear I get an argument. That's why I started to answer with a "I dunno" when he calls.
 
Sounds like a friend of mine,,I usually dont give him an answer or opinion,,but he was so mad at his 18 year old son the other day,,he asked me a question.He said,,what would I do if I had a son and he was spending too much money fixing an old truck,had the truck all apart in your shop,and was using your good tools?I had to reply,,I said ,I would give my son a big hug ,because hes not drinking,or smoking,or on drugs. I couldnt believe my friend kinda got mad at me,,and told me this old truck is like a drug to his son.I didnt continue discussion any more......
 
I don't have an answer to your question, but since you brought up the question of "pointless", magnetos have been used on tractors for a long time. As far as electronic ignitions on gasoline tractors, I don't know because the only gasoline tractor that I have is an AC-B with a magneto. The rest are diesels and...they could be considered "pointless", technically. Grin?

Mark
 
Just the way some people are. Two examples come to mind.

After a couple of times trying to teach our daughter (who generally knew more than anyone else) to drive a car, I refused. I expect a trainee to listen, not do their own thing.

20 years ago this month, we had a beautiful Feb. I was finishing up training for my private pilots license. My instructor was a very nice guy, (otherwise, I probably would have never gone through with). I was meeting him at a little local airport in the evening to do our night flying. He was finishing up a debriefing with another(older) student. I couldn't help but hear the conversation. Instructor never lost his cool, as student (also very nicely) had a "reason", or excuse, for every issue the instructor brought up.
Then the moment we got together for our little pre flight chat, I felt it. Instructor was wound up tight, and shorter and sharper than he had ever been. He calmed down after a while, and we achieved the goal. But the whole attitude thing is NOT what I needed going into a new phase.
I don't think the other student ever finished with my instructor. Which is different, as my guy was known for working with people, to get them past any snags they might encounter during training.
 
They are trolling for an answer that supports their position. If not they challenge you.

On the boy and his truck, tell him to wipe the tools off and put them in the right drawer when finished so that you can find them when you need to use them. Then ask him if he needs any help.
 
Any magneto I've ever seen has points in it. And I've replaced the points in several engines with the kit for pointless ignitions.
Now I'm confused?
 
I very much agree. That young enthusiasm could probably use a little guidance. I've spent over 30 years gathering the basics of a decent shop. I, and many of my friends my age, would like to see someone younger take over. I was talking with my machinist friend yesterday. He has a fully equipped shop, and isn't doing much. He doesn't have to. He has the time to train someone. I sure wish he had an apprentice, as he is far and away the best machinist I've ever met.
 
(quoted from post at 06:22:25 02/07/17) It's the sign of the times..toubled souls looking for recognization/redemption in a somewhat twisted way.
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If by "times" you mean "since the beginning of" because people have been doing this ever since there has been language. It's human nature to seek out verification/vindication of your position. Very few people are open to changing their position, and it gets worse as you get older.

In college my least favorite classes were the ones with "old people" in them. The old people would always want to argue with the professor and take up the entire class trying to prove themselves right.
 
Probably just Human Nature lol

What's funny is when a question is asked and the responder insists on posting an answer (which may be perfectly fine) but ITS NOT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED They just have to get it in there regardless.

Also since Ive been here since around 1998 I've observed when an electrical or legal question is asked everyone (including me) and their brother in law (including Billy Bob and Bubba) comes out of the woodwork with the "correct" answer. You gotta love it here a bunch of fine gents all trying to help each other yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy


And there are a few who answer and ITS THEIR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY and if you dare disagree or offer a different opinion BOY ARE YOU IN FOR IT LOL

Oh well I enjoy being here and help anytime I can

God Bless yall and best wishes

John T
 
If this Question was asked to me I think I would say this. As I grew up in life and study Automotive there are the shop Manuel way to do it. Then there is the experience mechanic way to do it. If you do it wrong it coast more and I have seen those who have done. The best way is to collect information, think threw, and then trouble shoot. Then do the work. Every thing I have read in this section threw the years have given you the help in doing what you attempt of fix. What is nice there are even some of these comments that help us out when we mess on a step that we know better not to mess. Yes I do agree with the person who wrote this subject this is a good one.
 
Most of the time if I talk at all, I've said too much. I think it's our society's declining ability to have a conversation about anything without getting interrupted by a phone, someone else, or the person you're talking to. Basically too many open mouths which closes too many ears. See, I've said too much again.
 
When you post something for general information and people tear it apart--from the way you spell to making snide remarks on how you are doing something all WRONG because your not doing it their way without knowing all the facts. It makes you back up and say "the hell with it"----Tee
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This is meant to be discussion forum where ideas are brought together to come up with a solution. Everyone has a different view on a topic and some from the eye of the original poster are spot on some are off a little and some are way out there but all can have useful information. Many times I have learned from the other posters even if it didn't apply directly to the original topic. Pointing out mistakes or different points of view can lead to explanations and hopefully solutions.

Then there are always the few that are just looking for an argument.
 
Well, I can't answer your question other than to say that it only applies to some of us some of the time. I really do appreciate everyone taking the time to respond to questions. Some explain things is much greater detail than I am capable of. Dad was a man that thought every word cost $50 so he used very few of them. I must say the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

So all your efforts are very much appreciated, even if I don't have that problem or tractor or interest, I read them all and find that I learn a great deal that I might or might need some day.

My advise, smile, sit back and enjoy the occasional firestorms.

Larry
 
I see the same problem on a couple of generator sites. Had one guy with his first generator. Tell me I was wrong. I said ok I have 45 years on generators you have none. You figure it out. Another is people come on asking for help but don't tell you what they have. Telling me it is an Onan doesn't mean much.
 
In a lot of cases,the poster says why it won't work because the circumstances are different.
 
Now Fawteen you know your blood pressure would drop to dangerous levels if it wasn't for those kinds of questioners. It is done for your health issues.
 
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(quoted from post at 08:01:24 02/07/17) In a lot of cases,the poster says why it won't work because the circumstances are different.
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In most of those cases, though, the poster doesn't have a clue whether his "circumstances" affect the answer or not.

To John T's comment about "answering the question not asked," in a lot of cases there are other factors to consider besides a simple yes/no response. For example, a simple yes/no question such as "Should I yank on this rope?" The person asking this question wants a simple yes/no answer, but wouldn't it be prudent for us to ask, "WHAT IS ON THE END OF THE ROPE?" or make comments about the potential pitfalls of pulling on a rope when you don't know what's connected to it? It doesn't answer the question but it could save the person asking the question from some future headaches, both literal and figurative.
 
Then there are the people that put their posts in the wrong forum. I guess everyone has some short comings! Ed Will Oliver BC wine capital
 
I find it's usually lack of details.

After a lengthy explanations from several trying to help, come to find it wasn't the model they thought it was, the description of the problem was way off, and they had already been throwing parts at it! LOL
 

I've known people like that too. Will ask about something, then argue about it, but knows everything about everything.The one that comes to mine, I ignore him, and don't tell him anything.
 
We had a neighbor like that on the farm. He would politely out do you every time. If you had 85 bushel corn he'd applaud that and then let you know that he had 90 bushel corn. Just a twist on the proverbial fish story. Made him feel better I guess.
 
Interesting thread. I ask a lot of questions here. Really need the input to run the farm end of things as I was not raised on a farm and not trained as a mechanic. I Google a lot of things, but if everyone did that then this would be exclusively a social forum and I think we need to keep the tractor/ag questions coming...even if they get repetitive.

I will sometimes ask a question when I have already done a lot of research and come up with a preliminary answer. I like to hear the broadest range of opinions and will sift thru the responses here to come up with a final answer. Sometimes I have found the preliminary answer was not the best answer. I try not to debate my respondents. I do not always agree with what I am told. People have different opinions and standards. A good example would be the grain bin questions I asked last month. MANY people thought I should go a different direction but I can tell you, the facts suggested they were wrong. But I don't debate it. I appreciate the input.

Rarely, I will look for someone to tell me what I want to hear. This rarely works out. :)

Ultimately, I guess you decide whether you want to weigh in on a topic or no. Always, though, you take your chances that the person will disregard your input entirely.
 
What a great thread. I've asked several on here for advice/information, And sad to say I almost never get back to the person to say thanks! BUT I do appreciate all the help I've received from the folks on YT. I wonder how many do get back to the person that helped them in the first place?? Jim in N.M.
 
DB4600, I worked under a plant manager like that once.

This guy was obviously suffering from some kind of mental issue. He would tell some of the most off the wall, super human, beyond science fiction stories of what he had done, places he had been, things he had accomplished...

Many of the events he supposedly participated in, like being on the PT boat with Kennedy, secret agent at Normandy, sniper in Nam, on and on... Happened before he was born! (BTW, he was never in the military, his missions were far too secret for that!LOL)

Sad thing was he actually expected people to believe this stuff, or he would get mad and start arguing! The more he argued, the more he revealed what a fake he was!
 
Because that type of personality is only looking for confirmation of their idea or belief. When they don't get confirmation they argue that you're wrong and they're right. It's just the nature of some people. They do it on the phone and face to face. Remember, illegitimi non carborundum.
 
When I tell people that I walked on the moon, most of them don't believe me. I don't use that story anymore, but how about being a beer-drinking buddy with Tom Brady? Some are still doubtful, I just can't figure people out these days !!!
 
(quoted from post at 08:54:47 02/07/17) Why do people come here and ask for advice, and then proceed to tell every responder that they're wrong?

If you know so much and/or have already made up your mind, why ask?
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've seen it both ways on these forums. Someone will ask about a specific model of equipment, and the opinions will diverge, so no matter what the OP chooses, to someone out here, he's wrong because "he doesn't listen to (MY) good advice."

There is some equipment I have as much use for as a 3 legged dog that doesn't bark at anything but the moon (none), and for some folks, that's just what they want in spite of what anyone might say otherwise.

I also have a wife and grown kids, and well know that no matter how right I may prove to be in foresight, I'm still wrong in their sight.

"YAMMV"
 
I asked a question about a comment someone made here once, and he got upset. I hope he misinterpreted my question, but I recently read about how upset and insulted that the millennial's get when anyone disagrees with them. After all they read it on the Internet and it has to be true.
 
Maybe the local high school has vocational programs where you spend part of your school day on the job as an apprentice. We had them when I was high school and a lot of guys started their "blue collar" training there.
 
It ain't just here, brother in law sent some idiot friend of his down with a Farmall Super C problem, said I'd be glad to help. Every thing I told him to do he said he already checked it. He already had his carb. apart and something still wasn't right. I was getting dam tired of the guy and was also getting ready to leave on vacation the next day so I handed him a spare carb. off my Super C that I new worked. Told him try it, don't bring it back for a week cause we won't be here and I forgot about it. Almost a year goes by and I happened to think in about 2 more days it will be a year since we were on vac.. then I remembered the idiot with my carb. Waited a couple days until it was exactly a year and called him, left a message on his answering machine reminding him of the anniversary called him everything but a white man and said I wanted my carb. right now. Had to remind him the next night too. Got home the next night and found it on my porch with a 20 dollar bill stuffed in it. Then told brother in law to keep his flakey friends to himself.
 
Had one like that too...his brother was the same. He asked me how my corn was running. I said, 5 bushels more than yours. He never asked me again!
 
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