I placed an add in YT magazine classifieds looking for a used pto hydraulic pump. Got a call from a guy in California who said he had one. Said he was cleaning out some old equipment his grandfather had. He said this pump was new, grandfather had traded something for it. My mistake was trusting him. So I sent money by Western Union, guy gave me name, address in Hayward Ca, and phone number. He called me back when he (supposedly) got pump boxed for shipment by Greyhound. Actually called me several times with status reports on shipment. Last time he called he said his friend worked at Greyhound and did something special shipping it. so 2 days ago it was supposed to be almost to Yakima(30 miles from my town) Package has not arrived, checked address in Hayward, Ca, it is a house for sale there, both phone numbers for guy are now disconnected. no YTD fault, strickly mine for being too trusting I guess. If any of you get a call from this guy claiming he has tractor parts for sale, be careful. Don't want to put name out here he used, to protect the innocent, but my email is open.
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Nebraska Kirk
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Keep this in mind in the future, and others take note of this too, if a seller wants payment sent via a Western Union wire transfer, that is a BIG red flag that it is most likely a SCAM ARTIST!!!!
Mario by chance? to complicate things we have had bad weather here with parts of I90 closed and no buses moving, so I keep holding out hope it maight appear. the guy didn't know much about tractors, but said he was getting rid of his grand pas stuff after he passed.. I've had some others contact me with pumps for sale, but how do I know? In this YTD community I trust people. My own fault, should have checked farther....
what is the best way to send payment when dealing with an individual? I needed a tractor part for a Dubuque JD once and contacted a guy on the forum, when I asked him how to pay he said just send me a check when you get the part. I sent him extra. I always want people to trust me and live up to that, unfortunately some others don't, I like to think it is a small percentage.
as the others have said sorry you had to learn this way..there are lots of diff ways people have been scammed...I have found one of the better ways to protect yourself is with a postal money order..this ensures that if something does go wrong and you file a complaint with the post office it then becomes mail fraud and the laws of that institution will come into play so you don't have to hire a lawyer from the state that person resides in as one in your state usually has no way to practice there...there is no foolproof way without person to person but after my buddy lost $4500.00 on a racing transmission transaction that kinda went the same way yours did we researched it and this is what most banks and credit unions suggested
Eldon (WA)
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What is the pump for? I have a couple here from Farmhand F10 loaders that I will never use. I am east of Spokane.
Traditional Farmer
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- Location
- Virginia
Yea that same fellow has tried to scam several of us here on YT,he called me about some Oliver parts I wanted and he does sound good but as you learned when it involves wiring money stop
right there.
right there.
William Munoz is the same man (Really not the correct word as a man is someone who keeps his work.) that scammed me several years ago on some IH plow parts made at the Hamilton, Ontario, Canada factory. His story for me also involved his grandfather, who was superintendent of that plant when it closed. And the story gets better as it went along. Patsdeere tried to help me at that time but it is now water under the bridge. It is amazing how emotion take over for common sense when all of a sudden one wants/finds some rare needed parts like they were water in the desert. My experience was with a USPO Money Order and they would/could do nothing for me. Oh well, live and learn. In total most likely I have wasted more money collectively in other ventures. Ask the better half and all my money spent on antique tractors is wasted.
Ultradog MN
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- Location
- Twin Cities
There is a small Ford N Series forum that I follow often. A few years ago there was a scammer that ran an ad in the classifieds there that had a similar story - grandpa (an old Ford man) died and they were cleaning out his stuff. Hopson or Dopson or Dodson, something like that. His mother was in on it too.
NOS Shermans, rare generators, hard to find parts, etc.
A Bunch of guys there sent him money and never got a thing.
In that case the scammer was a real person at a real address so several of those who got scammed went after him in court. It took a couple of years to get through the courts.
Not much happened. Dumb little scammer, prior record, no assets to go after, hard luck story, you know the drill. I think they both got some prison time for it. The parts and other scams they pulled added up to many thousands - $40K?
What was interesting about that whole deal was how well the scammer knew Ford Ns and knew exactly what would sell. Like a masseuse or chiropractor who knows exactly where to press and just how hard. Also interesting was how many guys went for his parts. His prices were very cheap of course. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
Not saying that hayfarmer did anything wrong of course. I feel for him.
NOS Shermans, rare generators, hard to find parts, etc.
A Bunch of guys there sent him money and never got a thing.
In that case the scammer was a real person at a real address so several of those who got scammed went after him in court. It took a couple of years to get through the courts.
Not much happened. Dumb little scammer, prior record, no assets to go after, hard luck story, you know the drill. I think they both got some prison time for it. The parts and other scams they pulled added up to many thousands - $40K?
What was interesting about that whole deal was how well the scammer knew Ford Ns and knew exactly what would sell. Like a masseuse or chiropractor who knows exactly where to press and just how hard. Also interesting was how many guys went for his parts. His prices were very cheap of course. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
Not saying that hayfarmer did anything wrong of course. I feel for him.
MarkB_MI
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- Location
- Motown USA
The red flag was the scammer's request for payment by Western Union. Anytime somebody insists on payment by Western Union, it is a GUARANTEED scam. If you're dealing with someone you don't know, make your payment by Paypal.
Gambles
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We've all had things taken from us, in some way, shape or form, so I'm not rubbing it in or saying that it couldn't happen to me.
However, in this day when just about every phone has a camera built in, at least have the seller give you a couple of photos of what he is selling and specify how you want the photo taken or at least have proof that he has the object that you are wanting.
Several years ago, I had a "seller" tell me that taking photos of his item was impossible. I offered to send the "seller" a disposable camera, costing just a few bucks, to take a couple of dozen photos of the item and have him send me the camera back so I could develop the photos (on my dime). Suddenly the "seller" didn't have the item any more.
I do feel for your loss.
However, in this day when just about every phone has a camera built in, at least have the seller give you a couple of photos of what he is selling and specify how you want the photo taken or at least have proof that he has the object that you are wanting.
Several years ago, I had a "seller" tell me that taking photos of his item was impossible. I offered to send the "seller" a disposable camera, costing just a few bucks, to take a couple of dozen photos of the item and have him send me the camera back so I could develop the photos (on my dime). Suddenly the "seller" didn't have the item any more.
I do feel for your loss.
If you don't have Pay-Pal (I really don't care for them) send them money through Wal-Mart. The receiver has to send you their name, SS# and address. You "wire" the money to a Wal-Mart near them. They have to present the same ID matching to the counter person at Wal-Mart in order to collect. No way to reverse the transaction but at least you have an idea who you were dealing with.
Okay I got a couple tales to relate:
A few years back I was looking at compact tractors. Found a nice John Deere (forget the model) priced pretty low for what everybody else was asking. It was on Tractorhouse or Craig's list I don't remember. So I email the guy for more info figuring the thing must have high hours hence the low price. I asked some other pretty basic questions that he should have been able to answer no problem. Instead of just answering the questions he sends me a copy of a dealer technical sheet. Something didn't seem right. After widening my search and checking other sites I ended up finding the same EXACT ad five other places listed with five different peoples' names and phone numbers.
Guy I know had his expensive chain saw stolen. Decides to check the local pawn shop. Pawn shop guy says a guy was in earlier trying to pawn one just like it. Pawn guy asks to hear it run and the thief didn't have the slightest idea how to start it. So the pawn guy figures no way it isn't stolen and takes a pass. Pawn shop was real helpful in identifying the perp, what with all their surveillance cameras.
2 or 3 years back there was a father and son right here in Michigan that found a rare vintage car on line that they were interested in. When they showed up to look at it the guy told them it was parked around back. They got jumped by two guys with tire irons. This one has a happy ending......son had a conceal carry permit! One guy got perforated, all three got arrested.
Just can't be too cautious these days. JD
A few years back I was looking at compact tractors. Found a nice John Deere (forget the model) priced pretty low for what everybody else was asking. It was on Tractorhouse or Craig's list I don't remember. So I email the guy for more info figuring the thing must have high hours hence the low price. I asked some other pretty basic questions that he should have been able to answer no problem. Instead of just answering the questions he sends me a copy of a dealer technical sheet. Something didn't seem right. After widening my search and checking other sites I ended up finding the same EXACT ad five other places listed with five different peoples' names and phone numbers.
Guy I know had his expensive chain saw stolen. Decides to check the local pawn shop. Pawn shop guy says a guy was in earlier trying to pawn one just like it. Pawn guy asks to hear it run and the thief didn't have the slightest idea how to start it. So the pawn guy figures no way it isn't stolen and takes a pass. Pawn shop was real helpful in identifying the perp, what with all their surveillance cameras.
2 or 3 years back there was a father and son right here in Michigan that found a rare vintage car on line that they were interested in. When they showed up to look at it the guy told them it was parked around back. They got jumped by two guys with tire irons. This one has a happy ending......son had a conceal carry permit! One guy got perforated, all three got arrested.
Just can't be too cautious these days. JD
wilson ind
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I will put his name Clarence Branch. On reverse phone number. phone is listed differently. My Cockshutt diesel motor will never arrive. His brother was supposedly an exe. at Fastenal and got better rates. Its guys like this that ruin distance sales for us all. Guess its correct a sucker is born every minute. I was born in 1945.What name did he use with you??Hurts to admit I was taken but if it stops another YT guy from getting taken its worth the embarrassment.
Beware if a guy named George contacts you with an email address that starts out as specsgeorge...Several years ago I advertised on here to buy a WK-40 McCormick tractor gas tank..George replied that he had one but no picture...I asked for a picture and whats funny is that he sent a picture of a WK-40 that he was parting out....The picture was of a tractor that I own..He had found it on the internet..
Traditional Farmer
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- Location
- Virginia
I started a post on Buyer/Seller Feedback about this guy so hope others will post to the thread about their experiences so we can warn other prospective buyers to keep from getting ripped off.I hate this type of stuff as 99.99% of my deals with people off YT have been very good.And have found some hard to find parts.
Thing is the USPS isn't going to do anything for you. But when and if the guy is arrested and can be tied to USPS money orders or even a check through the mail they can add mail fraud to the charge sheet. I saw enough people scammed through my years in the military that once retired and at the point when I could start buying stuff I was a bit shy of site unseen dealings. I've done a few low buck ones and have been lucky so far.
Rick
dr sportster
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Like Mark posted below the red flag was the words " Western Union" . Right off indicates a scam.
macec3(TX)
Member
I got a call from someone in California, he said he had the item I needed. He couldn't send pictures, something had happened to his phone and he couldn't take pictures. That was a red flag that he didn't have the item. After a couple more phone calls and me questioning him, I realized he was a scammer and I just hung up in the middle of the conversation. Haven't heard from him since.
Eldon (WA)
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I have no idea on the gpm, but it is pretty big to move the amount of oil an F10 takes....pump is typical size used in all the loader applications I have seen. Are you using it on a loader?
Eldon (WA)
Well-known Member
It should handle the Du-Al, no problem. I will try to get some numbers later on if I get time, otherwise may be tomorrow.
Hay hay hay
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When cars, trucks and highways became a part of the American way, we added a whole set of new laws to
control this new part of life. Speed limits, traffic lights, reckless driving rules, traffic court, even focused traffic cops and the highway patrol.
It seems that with the internet and cell phones and hacking being a part of our life our legal system has not caught up and has no way to deal with or police any of the transgressions....like midnight robo calls.
I know that catching them would be a challenge, but that is also true of mail fraud and embezzlement, but we at least have the threat of punishment to deter crime with those laws on the books.
control this new part of life. Speed limits, traffic lights, reckless driving rules, traffic court, even focused traffic cops and the highway patrol.
It seems that with the internet and cell phones and hacking being a part of our life our legal system has not caught up and has no way to deal with or police any of the transgressions....like midnight robo calls.
I know that catching them would be a challenge, but that is also true of mail fraud and embezzlement, but we at least have the threat of punishment to deter crime with those laws on the books.
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