Need proof stupid people shouldn't have guns?


We have had lots of that here. One guy shot his own brother, "sound shooting" during deer season. His brother was less than 20 ft from their truck. The brother died. Occasionally you read about horses, cows, or dogs being shot. Usually because they are "bored". We lost power once, for 3 days, because some idiot shot out a transformer. Guns and stupid people = trouble.
 
And some people shouldn't be allowed to drive, have kids, etc, but how do you separate them out and prevent them from doing whatever? You can take away a license, car, or gun, but that doesn't stop people from using these things. I agree with you this was a stupid one, it's just I don't know what can be done.
 
Must of been two shot or one of the newspapers is stupid. Our paper says near Lyons. Southern Greene county. Terre Haute paper says Cayuga, 60 miles north.
 
Stupid people = trouble.

The past 30 years tge govt seems interested in allowing stupid people to be out and about with no consequences to them; but the smarter
people are supposed to suffer all sorts of regulations and restrictions to accommodate the stupid people out and about.

I believe we need a different attitude and set of rules to deal with smart and stupid people, but that is certainly difficult to do; and especially
difficult to change direction on.

Stupid people will use a gun, a backhoe, a car, a phone, a bow and arrow, a skate board, a (fill in the blank) to cause themselves and others a
problem. It does no good to ban individual items as we can't shelter people from themselves in this way. They simply find another (fill in the
blank) item to repeated hurt themselves and others.

We need to get at the root of the problem, which is the stupid people themselves, not the tool they happen to be holding at the time.

Yes, that is more difficult to do; but it is the only sane solution to the problems.

Paul
 
Exactly. Who gets to determine who's "stupid" and who isn't? How will they determine who is "stupid" and who isn't?

Then what happens when the wrong person gets to be in charge of the "stupid test" and makes it so difficult that NOBODY can pass it?

It's really a callous and morbid thing to say, but these shootings are really the price of freedom. We can't predict what people are going to do, especially if they hide it well, be it mental illness, criminal intent, or whatever. We can't throw people in jail or commit them for what they *might* do or what we think *might* be going on inside their head.

Remember any of this can quickly be turned around and used on any of YOU. Oh, you responded angrily to my post? I'm afraid you might do something rash, better take away your guns and throw you in jail. Oh you raised your voice to that cashier? I'm afraid you might do something rash, better take away your guns and throw you in jail. Make an offhand harmless comment about doing bodily harm to someone? I'm afraid you might do something rash, better take away your guns and throw you in jail!!! Getting the picture here? Be careful what you wish for.
 
There was on of those shot around here a few years back and the area was crawling with fed game officials for weeks. They stopped and searched every vehicle in the area. I hear that's the reason we do not have a season on sandhill cranes because someone my shoot a whooping crane.
 
Well put. The best we can do is to punish severely stupid acts when we can. Such as the SC church killer. He is going to die. Only problem is it won't happen next week,
next month, or next year. With many witnesses as in this case or in the case in Chicago where the 4 people beat the one guy and put it on video showing them doing their
crime, the punishment should be swift and severe. This might slow down a few others.
 
Well with the FBI letting people go and handing them their gun back even after they said they were hearing voices about isl nothing is surprising about how stupid some people can be !
 
I don't normally reply to this type of post, but I cannot resist this one.
First of all, it isn't about stupidity, it is LACK OF RESPECT. If people are taught to respect rules, laws, property of others, etc. you don't get this kind of behavior ! My $.02 worth.....
 
Sometimes I wonder, what kind of a stupid person would own 3-5-10 tractors when they could get by with one. What kind of a stupid person would invest thousands, hundreds of dollars in a tractor that they will never recoup the money spent. I sure hope they don't start locking up "stupid" people. Who would fix my tractors. gobble
 
Which is determined by the whether or not they can be considered a danger to themselves or others. If someone is occasionally delusional it doesn't fit the bill, if he hit his girlfriend once it doesn't fit , if he hit her more than once then we have a pattern of behavior to base it on. I'm not defending him, just "helping" explain the methods.
 
I don't want anyone to think I'm in favor of doing away with the second amendment. You'll get shot if you try. And it's a can of worms keeping guns away from stupid people. Just ask any stupid you know who has a permit to carry. Not saying all people who carry are stupid, but I know one that should never have a permit and he is nuts.

Look at what's happening in England, cops are now packing. They finally decided bullets stop trucks running over people.
 
I agree with Old Popper, it's a matter of respect. The younger generation for the most part is raising themselves without any guidance. Both parents work and the kids are left in daycare. The daycare workers just keep them from hurting themselves or others. Then when the parents have them they are too tired to tend to them. You see kids in the stores damaging inventory while the parents are standing right there ignoring them. When I was young if I had done that I would have been disciplined right there on the spot and again when I got home. Then when these kids grow up they think nothing about doing what ever crosses their mind. I fear if things doesn't change soon this society will break down in total anarchy.
 
There are a lot of things stupid people should not have, I would think children would be at the top, can't legislate stupid out.
 
Yup, and when you start down the road of giving someone the authority to determine such things, you end up with Hitl%r and Stal$n.
 
David do you remember when Knute Grendgredge said the same thing when he was speaker of house? He's right but libs wanted his head. I think statement may have ended his career.
 
I've got 11 of them. I've thought about it a lot,and five is about the least I can get by with and still get things done,so I only have one spare for each tractor and another extra just in case. I have just exactly the number that I need. LOL
 
We were faced with a situation in one of the Fish & Game clubs I belonged to several years ago. A middle-eastern (Lebanon)refugee was using our club and he was very careless about gun safety. He would have his brother stand by the target to spot his shots! (there were many other infractions as well) I suppose if you lived in Lebanon at that time, you were rather indifferent to the fine points of safe gun handling since you were used to bullets and bomb fragments whizzing by your head on a daily basis. As hard as we tried, we didn't seem to be able to impress upon him the finer points of safe gun handling. We had to revoke his membership. The sad part was that as a person he was a nice guy.
 
That is why I am not in politics

It would be great if people CHOSE not to do dumb things, but will never happen, I hate having legislations, maybe that is the conservative part in me. Reproducing and putting children in a bad environment is the ultimate selfish act to me.
 
Well ...... sort of or maybe in response to your post. Here's the actual situation .......

The United Kingdom is made up of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales (which make up Great Britain), and Northern Ireland. In Northern Ireland, all police officers carry firearms. In the rest of the United Kingdom, the majority of police officers do not carry firearms; that duty is instead carried out by specially-trained firearms officers. This originates from the formation of the Metropolitan Police Service in the 19th century, when police were not armed, partly to counter public fears and objections over armed enforcers as this had been previously seen due to the British Army maintaining order when needed. The arming of police in Great Britain is a perennial topic of debate.
 
Old Popper is right on the money. Respect is no longer a part of the society today. Case in point----Young people walk in without acknowledging those present. Last week I told a young man that using his phone at the dinner table was not acceptable. Man, the shies hit the fan and I was castigated for embarrassing him in front of others. SWMBO still is mad at me and wants ME to apologize.
 
It's not just the young people so do the older people. If I was you I wouldn't apologize he will get over it.
 
So who decides who is stupid? The geniuses in government? The folks in academia? Would it be because they are so smart and have so much common sense? What about the police? they are smart, right?

Because only governments know how to safely handle weapons:

http://www.guns.com/2017/01/10/massachusetts-gun-shop-hit-with-35k-in-fines-and-fees-for-selling-glocks/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=58751c7204d3013288b5ee78&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

Cop shoots self:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUonA66btgI

Cop shoots self:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2442_rmiidY

Accidental shooting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv2YmSJ2itk

Cop sues Glock:

http://bluelivesmatter.blue/cop-sues-glock-shoots/

Police Chief shoots self twice:

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/01/police-chief-accidentally-discharges-for-the-second-time/

Cop shoots self:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/indiana-police-chief-accidentally-shoots-himself-at-gun-shop

Cop's toddler shoots self (genetic?):

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/23/us/cleveland-police-officer-toddler-fatally-shoots-self/

Cop shoots self while shooting coon (no, not what you think):

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/11/03/federal-cop-shoots-self-in-foot-while-trying-to-kill-raccoon/

I could go on all day with this.
 
Since the article mentioned world population in 2009, I tried to google current world population. I found various links of estimated populations in various geographical areas of our nation, east, west, etc. I did find a couple of sites that said that the population was as low as 15 birds in 1941. I found other sites that said that the groups of birds have been scattered by forest fires, and since they migrate to Texas for the winter, and Texas has been an extreme drought territory, that they aren't going there either. The crane experts said because of that, that collecting population data is a pretty hard thing to do. I hope things have gotten better for them since 2009, but I can't tell. I don't hunt cranes, but bobcats and eagles do. Stupid bobcats and eagles.

Mark
 
Death penalty doesn't discourage the types of folks committing mass murder. They aren't going through a rational risk - reward evaluation like a normal person. They have blown past all cultural barriers and concerns of legal consequences before the trigger is squeezed.
 
How many remember when Bobby Night, Dennis Rodman, Jim McEnroe lacked respect for officials and everyone thought they were cool?
 
The federal government forces the taxpayers to subsidize the stupid and shiftless to produce more stupid and shiftless because they need the stupid and shiftless in perpetual slavery to assure that they continue to vote for ever more government control over the producers.
 
(quoted from post at 11:09:14 01/12/17) The federal government forces the taxpayers to subsidize the stupid and shiftless to produce more stupid and shiftless because they need the stupid and shiftless in perpetual slavery to assure that they continue to vote for ever more government control over the producers.

LAA,

Your claim doesn't hold up for four reasons -

Which party is -
1 Pro-choice?
2 Pro-birth control?
3 Pro-reproductive education?
4 Pro-women's equality?

Which party wants the stupid and shiftless to breed more stupid and shiftless people?
 
David, Are you saying stupid people don't know how to add, subtract or divide, but they excel at multiplying? geo
 
I think if I had replaced STUPID in my post with IDIOT, no one would complain, not even an idiot.
 
Down here in Lawrence county 4 genius's decided to shot at a bobcat from a boat a couple hundred yards from a main boat ramp on white river. Concerning thing is I grew up around 3 of them and kinda looked up to them. Amazing how people don't turn out like you'd think they would after they graduate
 
(quoted from post at 10:44:02 01/12/17) Some people with guns are just STUPID. Want to shoot whatever is in front of them.

It doesn't matter if it's a gun or car or tractor or medicine or smart phone or whatever. Stupid, disrespectful, morons will always cause problems. We all joke about the "Here, hold my beer and watch this..." events, but between booze, drugs, mental illness, poor parenting, peer pressure, a lack of moral and ethical standards, etc. this is what you get. The idiot that gives his little girl a smart phone and then weeks alter finds out shes sent necked pics of herself to a "friend" that passed them on to all his buds is just as much a problem as the moron shooting up road signs or the dope that runs through a new planted field with his monster truck or 4 wheeler. We have a nation that seems to thrive on seeing who can hit rock bottom the fastest!!!
 

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