larry@stinescorner

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I was at the dentist,a lady that works there was telling me how bad the coyotes are where she lives in Nj. She boards her horse in Long Valley NJ.She told me that coyotes have attacked some of the horses at the farm.I kinda didnt believe it.This morning on the NJ news network,,I saw that a man hiking a trail in Long valley was bitten by a coyote.She said she can hear coyotes howling and yipping at night when she goes to check on her horse.I didnt know there were so many in NJ,It was all news to me.
 
Funny you mention coyotes...last night when ever the train would come thru and blow it whistle and they would start howling then the dog would start barking. This happened several time last night. With the tracks by me going to one train an hour from a couple a day this could be a problem with me sleeping. I have read that coyote have become suburbanites and becoming a problem for pet owners.
 

I believe it. The north eastern coyote has a significant amount of wolf DNA which makes them much larger and more aggressive than their western cousins. It also is what it believed to be the item which tends to have them run in like wolves. I have no doubt coyotes would harass horses. They might not be able to kill it alone, but if they ran it into a fence or something where the horse was trapped they'd start eating the horse alive, just like they do with smaller prey. Nature isn't real kind when it comes to predation.
 

In NW Pa. we hunt them, Pelt is worth a little? Attacking a full grown Horse? Maybe Chasing a Horse for the Fun. But for wild house cats, chickens
rabbits, pheasants , young turkeys, fawns they hit hard.. Local VFD has a Siren Test every Monday night @ 7PM that will trigger the howling. Wrapped round hayledge bales take a beaten too & are ruined because they jump up on them to howl, claws put holes in the wrap. Next big thing the Pa Game Comm. Introduced here are fishers, I swear the game commission has completely lost there flipping Minds. Fishers are killing machine & the Local trappers are aloud to trap ONE per season that last maybe a Week? We don't need them.
 
Thats what she said too,they work in packs. She also said because of superstorm sandy,a lot of big
trees fell,living huge stumps uprooted.This makes perfect cave like nesting areas for them and they
are multiplying.She knows the deer hunters in the area,,they say the deer population is way down.
 
We all have different ideas of 'attack'. As mentioned below, the ones that are aggresive may be part something else, or all something else. There are plenty of wild dogs out there too.
 
'Bout half a dozen years ago one of the horses at My MIL's (in CT) got its legs chewed up by what they later determined were coyotes. Her place was silly with them. Lost numerous dogs there also, so I believe it.
 
I believe coyotes would try about anything if hungry or really just to kill for killing,they will hunt in packs and harass the target animal wearing them down and getting them exhausted then its easy for them to go in
for the kill.We've had Coyotes kill goats,calves,cats,small dogs etc.I have 8 Great Pyrenees Livestock Guard dogs and without them I'd be out of the livestock business.Coyotes can't do much with the large guard dogs that know how to kill coyotes unless its a pack of coyotes which is why I try to keep at least 2 dogs working together in the same field.Game Dept DNA tests have proven what is here is a cross between true coyotes and the Eastern Red Wolf which now has a population in Eastern NC.
 
We have plenty of them in central NC. They have been hard on rabbits, pets and poultry. My daughter's black lab had an encounter with a pack of them a few years ago. Many vet trips and $3000 put him back together.
 

It's unusual they would attack an adult animal unless sick or injured.
Here in upstate NY they like fawns and calves with an occasional pet.
They average around 34-36 pounds here and are about 5 pounds heavier than their western counterparts
I trap them as a hobby and they are everywhere. They live in "family groups" of 2 adults and 2-6 pups with a range of about 2 square miles which they "mark" and protect. There may be some larger concentrations on larger farms with dead piles.
 
Plenty of them around here where I am in western NY. I haven't seen a pheasant in years around my place because of them and foxes. I have some geese I let out mornings into a barn yard but they go back into the barn at night or I wouldn't have any.No stray cats around here any more either.
 
I tried to hunt them but with work, 5 kids and the farm I am to busy to get out and hunt them. I did shot one this fall while shredding corn stalks. I have a border collie at the farm so they do not come around there much but my house is back in the woods and they come thru a lot.Indiana law says if they are causing trouble shot them even out of season. Wish they would do that for the red tailed hawks!
 
We have them now too, but not too many yet. But bears, turkeys and bald eagles are getting bad. Who would ever think that bald eagles could be a nuisance but they are getting that way here. Of course deer are always a problem here. And wolves and mountain lions are here too now.
 

Many states, mostly western, treat coyotes as vermin.

They have no closed season for hunting or trapping

Even these states have a large population with year-round season
 
Had them all over at my place in central New York and have them all over here in northern Michigan. Here in Michigan it is "open season" kill any of them, all year round. Kind of a shame. I lost a lot more animals to fox and coon then I ever did to coyotes. They can be pretty shy of human scent. The big "complaint" here in Michigan is the wolves that nobody can shoot legally. The governor just passed a law making it "open season" on wolves here IF the Federal Government ever allows it. I prefer many of these animals alive and not dead hanging from a pole somewhere.
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Plenty of coyotes here. Killed a 49 pounder chasing my chickens on the farm. If you kill a deer around here you better get the same day cause if left over night there won't be much left by the morning.
A couple of my coon dogs choose to run coyote instead of coon. It made for a long night.

Kirk
 

My friend travels to Kansas for 3 weeks to trap coyotes.
Out in the middle of 'big farm" country

He gets between 200 - 400 every year

When he trapped NY exclusively, he averages 150 a year over a4 county area
 
That's nothing, they have them in Chicago,it's been in the news about coyotes going after small dogs They see them by lake shore drive by grand park and other places
 
You have to remember N.J. is a no gun zone so yep they learn they have nothing to fear and get bold. All I have to do to get them to go away is step out side and pop off a couple rounds and they shut up and take off
 
The last couple years they've been getting closer and closer to us in mid MI. They were in one of the fields here a couple nights ago. We live by a chestnut farm and the coyotes would eat a lot of the chestnuts when they hit the ground, so they used pretty well taken care of. Maybe the farm lost their hunters in recent years.
 
Do not know where or how true but I know I have been told you can not bring a gun from PA into NJ. I know the gun laws there are very restrictive
 
Don't know where you got that info but it's not true. As long as they are legal and cased it's not a problem.

Kirk
 
Boy they are bad in Kansas. At the first of calving season they were eating the calves before they ever stood up. I have a hunter that comes and gets them for practice. He's taken 24 off the hill behind the house since October. They are just thick and brazen. They run out with the cattle in the middle of the day.
 
I talked to Larry a year or so ago and he said he could not bring gun form PA to where he is in N.J. but I also think he is in the big city areas where you may not be
 
This is a picture of a pack of seven at 21 mile rd and Schoenherr in Shelby Twp, MI. Take a look at the map. There's a field in the middle of it where this pic was taken last week. It's surrounded by thousands of homes, a suburban area. Lots of little dogs and cats but no wildlife. Don't think that's a "problem"? Shoot on sight.

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We never had any up until about a decade ago here in central Michigan. Now is not uncommon to hear them holding howling contests in the evenings. Often they have several posts and youvll hear them answering each other from different corners. Seems they run a circuit, and come around every few days. We're particularly concerned because we raise Shetland sheep, especiially during lambing season. Rarely see one, but did see and get one a couple deer seasons ago.
 

The photo shows a "family group"....adults & pups

Coyotes can adapt to area.

There are many red foxes in suburban areas. They adapted well and were pushed out by coyotes who kill red foxes on sight

We only see about 10% of the coyote movement.
 
I grew up 7 miles from New York City in northern New Jersey. Shotguns were allowed to be used outdoors where I was. No high-powered rifles but that is just the suburban area.
 
I was an assistant greenskeeper at a golf course near the Palisades Parkway in northern New Jersey (Tammybrook in Cresskill). 7-8 miles north from the George Washington bridge. We had coyotes, red fox. and a few whitetail deer here and there. The coyotes were often called "coy-dogs" by the old-timers. There was a $50 bounty on red fox but none on coyotes. I am talking late 1960s. I suspect things have changed a little.

I don't get the gloom and doom and hatred for coyotes. They just want to live, as we do. We certainly have a much more negative impact on the environment then they ever will. If I have a problem - I will kill one. If not, I prefer to leave them alone and enjoy seeing them (alive).
 
I was in the Michigan upper peninsula and came across a nice Falcon parked by a fur-seller. So I stopped and talked to the guy selling "local" furs. I had to laugh a little. He complained that the coyotes and wolfs had killed off nearly every living thing. Even all the deer, frogs and turtles. Shortly after - we nearly wrecked our little Toyota RV when a deer jumped in front of us. I have to wonder - this guy is blaming the wolfs and coyotes for the demise of local wildlife. Yet - he is killing and skinning nearly any animal he can catch and he is not part of the problem?
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If you have calves getting eaten before they stand up, you better take a look at your cows. I've never heard of calves getting eaten like that and my Dad had close to 250 cows and calved all winter in Central KS when I was growing up and into later years. In fact, I've never heard of coyotes eating live calves here in Kansas. You might want to touch base with who is telling you that whopper..lol!

I know packs of dogs can and will attempt that, and I know coyotes will sure take out cats and dogs, but around here you won't see that. If we had a calf that died at birth, the coyotes would usually eat on it by morning, same with a larger one or cow for that matter.

I have hunted coyotes for years, both with dogs and rifles. I don't know about the Eastern ones that may be crossed with a wolf, but here they aren't the viscous killers they are made out to be. Usually arrive after the fact. I still live in the country and still have livestock. Bob
 
(quoted from post at 13:58:30 01/13/17) That's still pretty small its not uncommon for a coyote to be 60lbs here in VA


Here in NNY I've seen many that would be in the 60 lb. class.
 

Most coyotes in NY weigh between 30 - 35 pounds

I catch about 5-6 a year in the 40 - 45 pound range

All weighed on a digital scale

VERY uncommon for a coyote over 50 pounds but there are a few

They look big in the field but most times the scale disagrees

Don't get me wrong, there some coyotes out in the 50's and even the 60's, but it is uncommon
 
I shot one in eastern pa weighed 62 lbs. They've even got them in New York city but they run on the smaller size.
 
Guess you should talk to Larry and let him know because he was worried about taking a gun he had in PA home with him in NJ. Larry as in the guy who posted this
 
old,
You are miss informed about N.J. The whole western part of the state is very rural and you van shoot a gun any time you want. I live in western Hunterdon Co. on 10 acres and I can shoot anytime I want.

Al
 
If that is true you guys need to fill in Larry the guy who did this post what is and what is not legal because he is the one that told me he could not bring a gun form PA to NJ as in Larry@thecorner
 
I dont have the proper id or anything,I walked in w allmart in pa and bought a bb gun,but I cant take it home.I can have it in PA,If i had ID cards that are required,then I could bring it home.
 
Well Larry you know you should not go any where with out ID on you don't you?? I know if I lived out where you do I would be likely to carry more then one ID and have them in more then one place on my body. But then again I would NEVER live where you are. Been to many years since I have been in the big city areas of the U.S. and bet I could no longer handle the noise etc out that way
 
What city ?? I live on 22ac, 300 something ac of corn , alfalfa on the side of me another 3500ac of state land behind me
All of NJ does not look like what you see on the Soprano's

Kirk
 
Yes I know some areas are not big city but any more what you guy live in and around I could not handle. I remember living in CT. The New London area and I could ride out in the county and get away form the city but it was easy to get right back in the thick of it with out going far. Here in Missouri there area areas a guy can drive for 30 plus miles and maybe see a few houses but that is about it
 
GUN ID what the heck is that??? Here in Missouri a driver license is all one need to buy a gun any place. Never heard of such a thing as a gun ID. Ya up till Jan 1st of 2017 to carry a concealed gun in MO one had to have a special ID but not any more any body who can buy a gun legally can carry a gun concealed
 
You need a gun ID to purchase a gun. The ID also allows you to transport a gun. The only time I was ever asked to see my ID was back in the 70"s riding with the rifles scrap to the forks on a motorcycle. I didn't have it with me and they still couldn't do any thing about it. Just showed them my hunting license and away we when.
 
Here in Missouri I do not even have to show a driver license to buy a gun. Ya I have to fill out a sheet of questions but even then like the last time I got a gun from a dealer I said I do not have my glasses and she said answer it this and that way and I did she made the call and I walked out a couple minutes latter
 
(quoted from post at 18:18:46 01/13/17) If you have calves getting eaten before they stand up, you better take a look at your cows. I've never heard of calves getting eaten like that and my Dad had close to 250 cows and calved all winter in Central KS when I was growing up and into later years. In fact, I've never heard of coyotes eating live calves here in Kansas. You might want to touch base with who is telling you that whopper..lol!

I know packs of dogs can and will attempt that, and I know coyotes will sure take out cats and dogs, but around here you won't see that. If we had a calf that died at birth, the coyotes would usually eat on it by morning, same with a larger one or cow for that matter.

I have hunted coyotes for years, both with dogs and rifles. I don't know about the Eastern ones that may be crossed with a wolf, but here they aren't the viscous killers they are made out to be. Usually arrive after the fact. I still live in the country and still have livestock. Bob

They've killed lots of dairy calves here. I lost over 50 lambs, sheep, goats and kids the year before I got 2 Pyrenees. Now I have 4 Pyrs and few losses.
 
I agree!! I was called to build a pipe fence for a cattleman who said he was going to line the coral where he kept his springers until they freshened with wire mesh because the coyotes were killing his newborns. I said he needed to call the vet as I had never known a coyote to kill a calf. Ask him later what happened with the new fence. He admitted that the calves were still born from a virus the cows had.
 

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