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Jumping through the hoops II

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Geo-TH,In

01-11-2017 04:28:17




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Just read an article where a record number of home sales in US, 2016, go form for sale, to pending sale, back to for sale because homes fail to pass inspection.

So those who are glad you live where you can do what you want because you have no hoops to jump through may have a final hoop, when you try to sell your property.

Our county jail was rebuilt less than 10 years ago with the possibility of adding more floors in the future. Not sure what has changed, some say the state prision system requires the county keep prisioners normally they would get. Bottom line, a lawyer is suing the county because of jail conditions, over crowding. Because of over crowding, we spend $1M a year to house prisoners in near by countys. County commissioners found out because of new building codes, they can't add more floors to the jail. Now they want to spend $66M for a new jail and can't figure out where the money is coming from. So even the county has to jump through hoops, building codes.

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Tim in OR

01-11-2017 21:44:17




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
The county that "most" of Portland, Oregon resides in built a new state of the art jail about 12 or so years ago. They spent millions on it including the state mandated "ART Work". It has set empty since day one. They didn't have money to run it. Some have wanted to turn it into housing for the homeless, but others say NO its too far out of town. What a waste.
Tim in OR



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muleboss

01-11-2017 16:29:24




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
[quote="CVPost-LAA"](quoted where I live you can build a outhouse next door to to a mansion if you want to and there ain't nothing anyone can do about it, and neither the mansion or the outhouse requires any paperwork
Usually a outhouse does require some paperwork. Ha Ha



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Geo-TH,In

01-11-2017 16:56:42




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to muleboss, 01-11-2017 16:29:24  
Outhouse rules, job isn't done until all the paper work is done.



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ed will

01-11-2017 08:57:44




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
Hi, I think you ran this thread as far as it will go!! Ed Will Oliver BC



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Geo-TH,In

01-11-2017 17:20:13




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to ed will, 01-11-2017 08:57:44  
Ed, my post are not required reading nor is anyone required to respond. So who put you in charge of telling me how many times I can post a topic that really covers different subjects about government regulations????
geo



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jacksun65

01-11-2017 08:29:03




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
The prison systems in this country are corrupted, Big business has gotten into the game and is making billions on private prisons. So people and lawyers are forcing the gov to use their private prisons for profit. They even have debtors prisons now that the prisoners have to pay for or they get locked up again until the gov starts paying.



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rrlund

01-11-2017 08:56:00




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to jacksun65, 01-11-2017 08:29:03  
You saw that too huh? Private prisons have a contract where they have to have a certain percent of occupancy,usually 97%,or the state has to pay a fine to them,and it's huge,so there's little to no incentive to release prisoners. A lot of incentives to keep them incarcerated for whatever trivial reasons. It's cheaper for the state to pay to keep them there than it is to pay the fine for empty beds.

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bobfeather

01-11-2017 10:59:05




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to rrlund, 01-11-2017 08:56:00  
saw the show , ( Canada here ) what I got out of it was , here , where taxes pay for incarceration ( jail ) , our people do every thing possible to rehab a criminal, lots of times un-successfully, so they are not in jail / or return to jail, but they try !
over there ( USA ) with private prisons that need prisoners to make a profit, exactly opposite seems the county / state / feds / do more to insure people go to jail & stay there might help out keeping private prisons profitable, don't do much for keeping people from being in the system before this thread turns in to a crap show, google the numbers, how many people the USA locks up compared to the rest of the developed world , and for what reason, and just for the heck of it, what race LOL ! really seems that the Judges, prosecutors, , police etc , are all on-board with providing your jail operators with the required stock they need to make $$$$$
and p.s., I get your political system, where if some one in congress votes the wrong way, some group will mount a campaign to remove them ( ie NRA ) just my .02 cents ( Canadian ) worth again , before you shred me , google the numbers bob

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jimg.allentown

01-11-2017 08:03:17




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
It is my understanding that the purpose of a home inspection is to identify any serious defects. Like a leaking roof, cracked or deteriorating foundation, and bad wiring or plumbing. Things that need attention right away. This is to protect the buyer from being defrauded by hidden defects that a seller may be deliberately hiding. I sure would not want to buy a house and find out a week later that the roof leaks or the plumbing is all choked up with hard water deposits.

Then there are zoning laws. Most of the zoning laws were put in place to prevent your neighbors from making your home unlivable. And to keep you from doing that to your neighbors. After all, once you build your McMansion, do you really want somebody to start a junkyard on one side and a pig farm on the other side? Things like that DID happen before zoning laws.

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hadley

01-11-2017 07:33:40




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
Codes change all the time. Your house does not have to stay current with all codes to sell. You must follow codes for any new work you do to the place and follow the codes that are in place at that time. To say that houses aren't selling because people aren't keeping with code is preposterous. Also, when I bought my house 12 yrs ago I took a mortgage and bank said it was up to me if I wanted to get an inspection. All they wanted to see was an appraisal to make sure they were covered.

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Geo-TH,In

01-11-2017 14:00:18




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to hadley, 01-11-2017 07:33:40  
For years FHA and VA require certain things be up to code, one is having a permitted Septic. Many old homes don't have a permitted septic, so guess what, sell an old house and you may be installing a septic.
Can't sell an old house without load center having a minimum of a 100 amp load center, no fused, all circuit breakers. Look for lead testing, paint and now water. Radon testing.. Asbestos Where will it stop? Will plumbing and old wire be looked at more closely? Windows have to be upgraded, insulation, who knows where it will end up.

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oldtanker

01-11-2017 07:07:04




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
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Don't know about there but here the number of people with cash are few and the people I know who have tried to sell contract for deed have horror stories. And a lot of the people with money are buying a home with a mortgage so they can write off the interest. So it's got to pass and inspection by the bank/mortgage company and most buyers are paying for a private inspection too. It varies area to area and state to state based on a lot of factors to include codes!

Rick

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rrlund

01-11-2017 07:13:06




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to oldtanker, 01-11-2017 07:07:04  
What I'm saying is,nobody at the courthouse is gonna tell you that you can't sell it. A quit claim deed transfers property. If the owner and the person it's being transferred to are in agreement,that's all you need.



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Geo-TH,In

01-11-2017 14:06:38




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to rrlund, 01-11-2017 07:13:06  
You are right, it's the banks, finance companies, FHA, VA, insurance companies and even the buyers are getting smarter requiring inspections are causing the problem facing realtors where sales are falling through and they are relisting the property. Which the relisting problem has doubled in 2016.



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Charlie M

01-11-2017 07:29:52




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to rrlund, 01-11-2017 07:13:06  
I would be surprised if any bank would lend money or insurance company write an insurance policy on property bought with a quit claim deed. Many people have bought the Brooklyn bridge with a quit claim deed.Maybe its different in other states but they aren't worth much in NY.



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rrlund

01-11-2017 07:43:06




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Charlie M, 01-11-2017 07:29:52  
I don't understand "Not worth much"? If somebody signs a piece of property over to you with a quit claim deed,it's yours free and clear. They relinquish any claim to it. "Quit claim".
No,no bank will give you a mortgage on it. A personal loan with something else for collateral though maybe. Many a repo is bought that way.



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steamboat

01-11-2017 07:03:14




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
5 miles from my house we closed a very large state prison. It was only about 35 years old. They had death row there, though they did not do the dirty deed there. About 32 years ago 6 death row inmates overtook a guard, put a TV on a stretcher with a blanket over it, called the main gate and told them to bring a van to them , they had a bomb to get rid of. This actually happened, folks, it was on discovery channel. I was building my house at the time and wondered why helicopters were flying very low. Anyway, they finally caught them all and executed them.
But that is not my point.... 20 years after that event they closed that facility (did I say it was huge?), and built a brand new multi million dollar regional jail right next door!!!!! Common sense would lead one to believe that they could have saved one wing of the old penitentiary for reuse as a regional jail. Oh, and it gets better, the state pen was a major employer in this poor county. They told the layed-off state pen guards that they did not qualify for guards at the regional jail.

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rrlund

01-11-2017 06:50:48




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
"So those who are glad you live where you can do what you want because you have no hoops to jump through may have a final hoop, when you try to sell your property."

You can sell it,the buyer likely just can't get a mortgage. A land contract or a cash sale and you can sell anything in any condition.



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Geo-TH,In

01-11-2017 14:13:25




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to rrlund, 01-11-2017 06:50:48  
You are right. I know a slum lord who has made more money selling a run down rental house many times on contract because there is no way his house could pass inspection. Poor people fall for his contract, pay him a couple grand down, payments less than the rent most are paying. They think WOW, I'm a home owner. Good chance the buyer moves out when they find out the place is falling in and they can't afford to make repairs. Bet this guy has sold him place a dozen times. Seller has a good contract and good lawyer and many suckers willing to buy. What a scam he has going.

I'll never buy a place on contract, just for that reason.

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Bret4207

01-11-2017 06:02:48




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
Our county built a new jail a few years back. At the time many of said they needed to build it much larger, that we would need the space and could rent out space to other counties. Nope. So now it's full and we're still sending people to distant counties.



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Ray

01-11-2017 13:52:08




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Bret4207, 01-11-2017 06:02:48  
Our county built a new jail on some former swamp land.A few years later they spent over 200000 trying to keep water out of the basement.



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LAA

01-11-2017 05:57:59




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
I still like living with zero codes to conform with or permits to acquire to build something, where I live you can build a outhouse next door to to a mansion if you want to and there ain't nothing anyone can do about it, and neither the mansion or the outhouse requires any paperwork or government meddling. Of course, I plan on croaking in my house or crawling off in the bushes along the creek on my place when it's time to croak so I won't be missing out on any sales either way. As far as jails go, Sheriff Joe had it right, tents in the desert and work gangs, no 66 million dollar jails required.

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Geo-TH,In

01-11-2017 14:18:03




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to LAA, 01-11-2017 05:57:59  
A lawyer from Indy is making a ton of money finding an inmate in our jail who wants to file a complaint and our county usually pays to make it go away. Only for the lawyer to find another inmate that wants to make money by being locked up in an overcrowded jail

Lawyers would have a field day if your used tents in sub-zero winter. Better just turn the criminals loose if you want to save money.



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W_B

01-11-2017 04:53:32




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Geo-TH,In, 01-11-2017 04:28:17  
Our county is in the process of building a new jail and offices for the sheriff. We too were sending prisoners to other counties. All knew it had to be done, the fight was over where to put it. The old jail and offices are OLD and not very functional any more, and there had been several escapes recently. If we want to keep the bad people off the streets we need to pony up a place to put them. To me that is one of the essential government services, I won't get into the ones that I think that gov. has no business being in.

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Goose

01-11-2017 07:56:15




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to W_B, 01-11-2017 04:53:32  
Sounds familiar. I'm a County Commissioner in a county in the final stages of building a new three story Criminal Justice Center that will include a new 66 bed jail with a wing for female prisoners, the County and District Court areas, 911 call center for the city and county, Sheriff's department, County Attorney and her staff, etc.

Our old jail was just built in 1978 with 24 beds and no provisions for female prisoners. We were spending a lot of money just boarding prisoners elsewhere, plus the costs of shuttling back and forth for court appearances, etc.

Surprisingly, we have had few objections from the public. Simple logic says when population expands, the infrastructure needs to expand with it.

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bobfeather

01-11-2017 11:04:55




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 Re: Jumping through the hoops II in reply to Goose, 01-11-2017 07:56:15  
just curious , what is the population of your county ? would make it easier to compare here ( Canada ) and there ?
our county here has about 42,000 people bob



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