Folks don't know if this is really new but I guess I came from a world that did not accept it. I will not repeat it here as I am sure we all know what it is. Here goes, you AND YOUR WIFE go to a heavy equipment or industrial place. The counter person uses more vulgar speech than the proverbial parrot. In front of your wife!!! 2.Board or committee meetings, yep same thing. 3. At a store both customer or clerk can't talk without an F-bomb. 4. Smaller children talking the same way!!! IS THIS NORMAL NO A DAYS?? hOW DO YOU DEAL WITH IT? DO YOU CALL THE PERSON OUT AT THE BOARD MEETING AND TELL HIME NO MORE UNACCEPTABLE?? Last I remember a business where a fellow went in and did that many years ago and the owner threw him out and told him not to come back till after he washed his mouth out with soap!!! thanks all
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It is the "norm" anymore so it seems. doesn't make it right. Just look at all the curse words on TV now that used to be blipped out. I'm guilty of it too. Many times I say them not even knowing I did it. Seems I can't fix equipment without them. LOL. Once I let loose with the "magic phrase" stuff seems to go together better.
If it offends you tell them to watch their mouth or maybe go wash it out with soap ? if enough people tell them this it might sink in and maybe they will do better.
If it offends you tell them to watch their mouth or maybe go wash it out with soap ? if enough people tell them this it might sink in and maybe they will do better.
Ken Macfarlane
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I let it roll off by back. I've never had to seek medical treatment for blue language injuries.
It's boring when it's young people as it's is only f this f that. I find older folks have much more creative swears worked into sayings.
It's boring when it's young people as it's is only f this f that. I find older folks have much more creative swears worked into sayings.
wjytexas
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The movies are as bad or worse and some of those "reality shows" are nothing but bleeps. American culture has changed for the worse. The sad thing is that now when you really need a strong expletive when you hit your thumb or grind your leg with a wire wheel there is nothing left to say.
dr sportster
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There are certain supply house where loudness and swearing are the norm . Most people would know not to send the wife there . If they do wife should be forewarned. Your not going to change behavior of an entire staff.
Married2Allis
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When my kids are with me and they have to hear the F-bomb then there is a big problem. Also gets annoying when women (particularly young ones) say it ... like you'll give them more respect or something.
When I first started my job I was working with an ex military guy and every sentence when we worked was f this or that, we went on break he never said a bad word. He worked in vulgar language with way some artist work in paint! Probably learned more from him than anyone else. Every time I seen a KV60 engine I think of Woody saying f that MF POS! Now that I think back 20 years he would make miniature stationary engines that would turn with compressed air.
Steve@Advance
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"Profanity is a sign of a weak mind trying to express itself forcibly".
I agree!
It's also a stall tactic. While the meaningless drabbel is coming out, the person is trying to think of the next thing to say. Just like the person that stalls with "You know man, you know, you know man..." over and over.
My dad had the filthiest mouth I have ever heard! It was a hard habit for me to break. I heard several people call him on it too, didn't stop him, just gave him reason to amp it up. Ridiculous!
I agree!
It's also a stall tactic. While the meaningless drabbel is coming out, the person is trying to think of the next thing to say. Just like the person that stalls with "You know man, you know, you know man..." over and over.
My dad had the filthiest mouth I have ever heard! It was a hard habit for me to break. I heard several people call him on it too, didn't stop him, just gave him reason to amp it up. Ridiculous!
Majorman
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My wife was a teacher here in England teaching 7 to 11 year olds. She did 40 + years and gradually watched the standards decline. Seemed to be what kids watched on television, on their computer games, heard in their music and from their parents. She has been called a "F.....g Old Cow" to her face by 9 year olds and when the parents were brought in they would not believe her.
I was brought up not to use bad language in front of women and our two sons are the same. I do not use bad language apart from "Oh sugar" when things go wrong and have been like that all my working life. I find it distasteful to hear the F word used all the time in normal conversation but nowadays just let it flow over my head.
The problem is not only in your country.
I was brought up not to use bad language in front of women and our two sons are the same. I do not use bad language apart from "Oh sugar" when things go wrong and have been like that all my working life. I find it distasteful to hear the F word used all the time in normal conversation but nowadays just let it flow over my head.
The problem is not only in your country.
Case Nutty 1660
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depends on area I guess I try my best around the Ladies to not let words slip,,, and for sure if I know someone is offended but I guess I would be one you would not want to be around,, its just the way I talk had two guys who felt like you grab me outside a restaurant one night and they were going to teach me a lesson,,, did not work out so good for them I am a bit tougher than I look,,, it did get us all arrested and got to spend a night in jail, them for assault and me for breach of peace they also had a few bumps and bruises from yours truly to remember That was the last time I have been drunk so I guess we all learned a good lesson that night lol
Yep,some places it is the morm.Doesnt make it right.Just the mentality of the people who work there.When I worked at the 'factory',there were guys who would use the 'F' word as a noun,verb,pronoun,adverb in every way possible. Sometimes several times in the same sentence.I just had to learn to ignore it and not take it home with me.
Actually no you can't. It's a violation of your 1st amendment rights. Some town arrested a guy for using the F bomb in a town meeting. The courts found those laws unconstitutional. The law may be on the books but they can't enforce it without A: losing in court and B: getting the snot sued out of the agency that tires to enforce it.
Guys it's simple. It's constituently protected speech. You on the other hand have no right to not to be offended. So the F bomb users are exercising their rights while the offended don't have any rights about being offended.
You can either ignore it or raise a fuss. Just remember, when we bow down to the "politically correct god" we are freely giving up our right to free speech! An example would be a racial slur. You can legally say it all you want to except when you are in a physical altercation with a person you are using that racial slur against. That turns a simple assault into a hate crime. And even then you are not being charged with using that slur. They use that slur to prove that the assault was racially motivated.
Your best bet in a place of business when the hire help is using language like that is to talk to management. They do have the power to say that language isn't acceptable in the work place.
Rick
Dave H (MI)
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Just stop the person and say, excuse me but I find profanity offensive. If the person takes it wrong then walk away. It is your choice, it is still America. My wife does this all the time. Single handedly cleaned up the language used at her work place. Profanity is something I use when I hit my thumb with a hammer and even then not in front of people. A person who cannot express themselves without the f-bomb is a moron. Just pull up YouTube and look videos of people reacting to the election.
Brendon Warren
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My dad used to say to me a man's character is judged by the cleanliness of his speech. I've been known to swear but I try not to in public or mixed company. I have sent help home that couldn't watch their mouths in front of clients after having been asked to clean it up. I don't like it around my business, it reflects poorly on me.
1948CaseVAI
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Society and the culture have bigger fish to fry.
I think if my wife was that dainty and vulnerable I would get a new wife.
I think if my wife was that dainty and vulnerable I would get a new wife.
Straw Boss
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When I was in high school we had a kid who used the f word in every sentence. At our local grocery store in our little town (remember those?), the ol' gal who ran the store warned him twice not to use that language in here. You guessed it. The very next sentence out of his mouth was f this and f that, and then....... WHAMMOOO !!! She laid a slap across his face that rattled his teeth and his brains all at the same time. Nearly knocked him on his arse. He watched his language after that. So you can cure someone of the habit. Just can't lay your hand on someone anymore without an assault charge and so that could be the problem nowdays.
Tom OConnor
Member
I had this same discussion with my daughters many years ago when they were in high school and they told me that there is no word that I could use that they have not heard in school. I told them that I was sure that this is true but it will not be tolerated in my presence or in this house, period, end of discussion. That was thirty years ago and the rule still holds. I find it very disrespectful and volgar to the point that I will not even watch a television show where they have to blank out half of the conversation. I may be a crotchety old farmer but I guess that between my parents and twelve years with the Holy Cross Nuns it is just the way it is.
Ultradog MN
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I agree with you Jocco.
It's one thing to let an f bomb slip when you mash your thumb but incessant swearing is the sign of a lazy mind. They just can't think of any other adjectives, etc.
On the other hand, i kinda wonder how out of touch many of you are.
Come on down to the city here and even the women here will teach you a few new variations on an old theme.
In my most vulgar days in the Navy I never cursed that bad.
It's one thing to let an f bomb slip when you mash your thumb but incessant swearing is the sign of a lazy mind. They just can't think of any other adjectives, etc.
On the other hand, i kinda wonder how out of touch many of you are.
Come on down to the city here and even the women here will teach you a few new variations on an old theme.
In my most vulgar days in the Navy I never cursed that bad.
Bryce Frazier
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It amazes me what people say in front of other people. If Casey is with me somewhere, and it is one or two people, I WILL tell them "watch your mouth". 99% of the time they are almost embarrassed, and stop with the foul. And then there is that wonderful 1% that feels the need to read me my rights! At which point all you can do is walk away.
I was STUNNED at this auction dad and I were at Saturday. There was a big truck, and they fired it up with the hood open, and it had a 3208 Cat in it. There were two or three Idaho Specials (no teeth, ragged as can be, and spitting everywhere) standing there and yelling at each other over the roar of the engine. One of them yells out "F ya! Sounds like a Cat to me!" (mind you this is in front of like 100 people, men and women). Then one of the others yells back "You know what they call Cat's?!!? Big P_s_y!" Then they all had a chuckle over that..... Dad and I both looked at each other, shocked quite frankly! I just couldn't believe that someone would say that?!!?
I was STUNNED at this auction dad and I were at Saturday. There was a big truck, and they fired it up with the hood open, and it had a 3208 Cat in it. There were two or three Idaho Specials (no teeth, ragged as can be, and spitting everywhere) standing there and yelling at each other over the roar of the engine. One of them yells out "F ya! Sounds like a Cat to me!" (mind you this is in front of like 100 people, men and women). Then one of the others yells back "You know what they call Cat's?!!? Big P_s_y!" Then they all had a chuckle over that..... Dad and I both looked at each other, shocked quite frankly! I just couldn't believe that someone would say that?!!?
Right is Right and Wrong is Still Wrong but it seems so many things that are not right these days have become acceptable or the norm. I look at criminals like dandelions in your lawn. You have one or two in your yard you can manage them and keep things under control but when your yard is full of them you either accept it as it is or keep trying to control them and hope to eliminate many of them.
Steve@Advance
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Rick, I guess it depends on where you are and who you say it to.
I knew a man that got stopped by the cops, he was sitting in the car waiting to get his ticket. (Now I wasn't there, this is what he said happened), he momentarily lost it, cursing at himself, pounding the steering wheel. The cop came back, arrested him for profanity against a police officer!
I knew a man that got stopped by the cops, he was sitting in the car waiting to get his ticket. (Now I wasn't there, this is what he said happened), he momentarily lost it, cursing at himself, pounding the steering wheel. The cop came back, arrested him for profanity against a police officer!
steve_in_mo
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No. That's not normal or acceptable.
Goose
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I agree. After ten years in the Marine Corps, I've heard it all, and probably used it all at some point, but I've always felt like something was lacking in me if I was unable to express myself without using profanity.
At a County Commissioner's meeting recently, a member of the public who was on the agenda got a bit heated and cussed a bit while presenting his position. I simply said, "Please watch your language. There are ladies present". It was amazing how the whole environment calmed down.
And I'd bet all of the ladies present had used worse, themselves, at some point in time. But-in a public meeting you need to maintain some level of decorum.
At a County Commissioner's meeting recently, a member of the public who was on the agenda got a bit heated and cussed a bit while presenting his position. I simply said, "Please watch your language. There are ladies present". It was amazing how the whole environment calmed down.
And I'd bet all of the ladies present had used worse, themselves, at some point in time. But-in a public meeting you need to maintain some level of decorum.
James Howell
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Lack of vocabulary.
The free speech part of the 1st Amendment was never intended to apply to swearing. It was soley intended to apply to POLITICAL speech. IE- Saying the King was an idiot used to get you hanged or shot or at least prison. Now for some strange reason we have people who believe swearing is "free speech". It's not. It's idiocy that has nothing whatsoever to do with the 1st Amendment as written.
Billy Shafer
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My parents always told me. A person that cusses in public. Has no respect for them self or anyone else.
But how long ago? The case with the guy at the town meeting must have been 10-15 years ago. They may arrest you for it but let them try making it stick! I haven't heard of a conviction for something like that in years. Mostly because they don't actually try people for that. The local DA knows that if the guy fights it they will win. If foul language is the only reason for the arrest then you can toss in false arrest into the mix too.
Now don't get me wrong. After 20 years as a tanker in the Army I can use some pretty foul language. I'm careful around women and kids though.
AS far as showing a weak mind? That is pure BS. I know some very intelligent people who can curse with the best of them and do. As far as showing a weak mind that very idea was put forth by someone who was trying to get people to censor themselves, or in other words control their speech.
The whole problem with foul language is that people who normally use it in public are the first ones to get in your face and tell you that you have to respect them but they show no respect to/for others. A large part of that problem stems from the "expect respect" garbage they are teaching in schools. That started back in the 90's. I got taught that respect is earned. I think that's what we need to go back to. A society that understands that respect is earned, not an entitlement. I was watching some stuff on street gangs. They equate respect with fear. They fail to understand that just because you act in a respectful manner around someone you fear doesn't mean you respect them! No, you walk away from that person and you start dropping the F bomb and in "I hope the MF dies"! Or later telling a friend "that MF AH can kiss my ______"! Really sounds like they are respected alright!
Rick
Bryce Frazier
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Well, that's a long story. Long story short though, we were apart a little over a month, ran into each other, got back together, and have been REALLY happy. She has moved to Oregon with her mom to start going to college to be a Detective. She will be gone about 2 1/2 years more. She has already been gone a couple months, but will be here for a visit this next week. Very excited to see her. 
I started working with a rough bunch of WW 2 and Korean war vets on the Turn Pike in 1956 that their language shocked this farm kid. I didn't hear that kind of talk in public away from work. Seems like the creeping crud as this language started being use in head pounding sounds on records. Now bad language is used and not corrected in some public grade schools. I would suspect it is used in the homes of the kids using it in school. Sunday while waiting on Dixie while she shopped a woman had locked her keys in the car which was next to me. She took a single key from he purse giving it to one of her kids that unlocked the car on the opposite side. The kid didn't promptly unlock all the doors and the woman yelled very loud, (UNLOCK THE F IN DOOR)
All uncalled for disrespect but I have no idea how it can be turned around.
I personally see no real reason to swear at all. One can find sharp words to fill the void of swear words to stress a point. It might take some rework of ones vocabulary but the word are readily available.
All uncalled for disrespect but I have no idea how it can be turned around.
I personally see no real reason to swear at all. One can find sharp words to fill the void of swear words to stress a point. It might take some rework of ones vocabulary but the word are readily available.
I delivered a truck load of plastic parts when my driver was sick and the dock foreman used the F work several times in telling me what dock door to back into and after which truck. I promptly said back in a calm way, You just used a word that is slang for inter course and when I replace the slang word with the proper work it makes no sense. Could you please tell me what I am to do in language I can understand? He repeated what I was to do and never said a bad word in front of me again. About three years later I hired him in my factory and he still never said bad words in front of me.
Yea but the dirty ones just seem to roll off the tongue!
No I've corrected my adult children when they have let stuff slip in public.
Best one I've heard thought is a neighbor who has some pretty ruff language. He heard his then 15 year old son drop the F bomb. He blew a gasket! Started out "I better never F ing hear the MF word come out your pie hole again"! I was there and started laughing! When I got him calmed down and made him understand what he had said we both got a good laugh out of it!
Rick
Ken Macfarlane
Well-known Member
My thoughts exactly.
There are two things that will get me to say something and its only sometimes related to coarse language:
1. Men making lewd comments about female customers or coworkers. Its one thing when folks have a joking rapport with someone, its another thing when men seem to think
they can go on at length about things the other person obviously would not be interested in. Grow up, if someone treated your sister like that you would punch them in the face.
2. Racist nonsense. If I set foot in your store and you start spewing N-words or more commonly here in our area, going on about native or french peoples I'm leaving.
There are two things that will get me to say something and its only sometimes related to coarse language:
1. Men making lewd comments about female customers or coworkers. Its one thing when folks have a joking rapport with someone, its another thing when men seem to think
they can go on at length about things the other person obviously would not be interested in. Grow up, if someone treated your sister like that you would punch them in the face.
2. Racist nonsense. If I set foot in your store and you start spewing N-words or more commonly here in our area, going on about native or french peoples I'm leaving.
here in Harrison county ind ,,. we will not tolerate it period ,. not in the courtroom , or jails , the bailiff and jail calls them down rite now ,. not in any of our public mtgs either ,,. nor anyone coming in to a scool bd mtg or to meet theteacher ,,. we stop them, ask them to refrain from such crude language ,.. not even at the hardware stores ,. hey fella there is no need to talk that way I here when their are ladies and children in the place ,,.. yesa few rfoul words will fly when the cows refuse to leave the cornfield , or a bolt breaks and the knukles caught some ruf edges ,. or when some when has to keep fixin the same problem over again and don't know why it keepsfailling ,,. but for the most part ,,. we are cival and try tostay plitelybsocial
longmeadowfarm
Member
I cured my baby sister of foul language.She was prone to dropping the "F" bomb at family gatherings at our farm... especially after a glass or two.. I told her only low class people talk like. That did it.. she hasn't used foul language since. I give thanks as our family gatherings frequently include my 11 grandchildren. In my experience in the business world including my farming operation, I have found educated people don't talk like that... ever ... either in private or in public. When was the last time you read a business contract with "F" words contained within... I could editorializing further ...but I will refrain ..as I don't want to ruffle any low class feathers.
47fivewindow
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Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
Bryce Frazier
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That's true! I did do that! People make mistakes, perhaps wasn't the smartest, or nicest thing to say. I can tell you though that there was no one else around.
Pair-a-dice farm
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I was in my 20's before I heard my Dad say a 4 letter word that rhymed with spit. I doubt that I ever heard him say 5 bad words my whole life. I'm not that disciplined but I try never to swear around children or women. I don't think I've ever used the F word and don't understand the fascination around using it. I agree that it's a sign of a small vocabulary. I don't say anything to anyone that uses bad language unless they are working for me. And if I'm in a store that uses bad language around women and children, I buy from them as little as possible.
Young man I work with uses F-Bombs way to much. I've told him to knock it off, well today he let one fly while I was on the phone. I went out to him "gently placed my hands on his shoulders and said if you ever use that word again I will remove your head from the rest of your body" We will see how things go tomorrow.....
Hay hay hay
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Those same guys are the same ones that have no respect for you or your space. They are the same ones with the no muffler diesel, and Motorcycles blasting past a church on Sunday morning. They Use the same language in the stands at a basketball game.They are the trespassers hunting on your farm without permission. It is a sign of our times.
Class is something we just recall and talk about from the good old days.
Class is something we just recall and talk about from the good old days.
Mark - IN.
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There's a disease and I can't remember what its called, but out of the blue in the middle of sentences, that person will just start cussing uncontrollably. "Yep Mike, I went to the Deere dealer...4 letter blah, blah, blah...and we were going down the paperwork on my new tractor...4 letter blah, blah, blah, blah...and he called the loan officer at the bank...". I'm not joking. There's a real documented disease, but I don't remember what its called. There might be something to what you're saying because its a brain issue, deficiency, and its only cuss words that flow right out plain as day.
And then again, I've worked with guys that every other word is the F-bomb, and they don't have that disease.
Mark
And then again, I've worked with guys that every other word is the F-bomb, and they don't have that disease.
Mark
travis miranowski
Member
I think it's time everybody quits getting so f$!&ing offended over every f&$!ing thing!!!
Pair-a-dice farm
Well-known Member
(quoted from post at 03:23:08 12/06/16) I think it's time everybody quits getting so f$!&ing offended over every f&$!ing thing!!!
I actually agree with you. However bad language is just the scum on top of a deeply polluted pond. It shows a lack of respect for other people. Words are just words and language is constantly changing but as it is today F bombs ARE offensive to many people. Nearly everyone knows that. Someone who intentionally uses bad language to offend someone is also someone who is self centered and only cares for themselves IMO
Whether we like it or not people judge people by 1st impressions and if we constantly use bad language we are likely to be judged negatively. It's been that way since the beginning of time and probably always will be.
Mark, I believe the disease your are thinking of is called Tourets Syndrome. I knew a man that had it and it was something that he couldn't control.
BarnyardEngineering
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- Rochester, NY
Anywhere that I've ever worked, that would get YOU walked out the door faster than you could say any of the words that young man was using. Unless, you're the boss, and even then you can end up in serious hot water when they go over your head.
How is laying hands on a person and threatening them with physical violence any less unprofessional than using "colorful" language? It isn't!
Hay hay hay
Well-known Member
Jocco, Your post got me to write down my thoughts. I think we have a lot of people in our society that
do not contribute much except noise. Noisy trucks, Noisy music, noisy motorcycles, noisy fireworks.
They know it disturbs others, but they don't care. This is the only way that they will get any attention,
because they know they do not deserve much respect for their hard work and reliability, good parenting, academic achievements, church work......so they bring noise. That is what they contribute, and profanity is just another way
to get attention.
do not contribute much except noise. Noisy trucks, Noisy music, noisy motorcycles, noisy fireworks.
They know it disturbs others, but they don't care. This is the only way that they will get any attention,
because they know they do not deserve much respect for their hard work and reliability, good parenting, academic achievements, church work......so they bring noise. That is what they contribute, and profanity is just another way
to get attention.
john *.?-!.* cub owner
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When I was going to college, a long time ago, we had a student that every other sentence had my God or Oh God in it, and it was not praise. Into the 3rd semester of our electronics class it was starting to get old. As an extra credit project I had gotten a diagram from a service manual and built a stereo amp out of scrap parts, and a friend built a pre-amp so we could use a microphone with it. Our building had drop ceilings in the rooms and hauls, and we strung wires and speakers up inside the ceiling with the intentions of serenading the entire building. Just as we finished and turned everything on Dennis walked down the haul with his typical Oh God! comment, and [b:bd6c20846b]Yes my son!![/b:bd6c20846b] echoed up and down the hauls.[i:bd6c20846b][size=18:bd6c20846b][/size:bd6c20846b][/i:bd6c20846b] We did not hear Dennis' pet phrase the rest of the year. :lol:
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