Do you listen to the opposition's view?

da.bees

Well-known Member
I've switched between CNN and FOX during the convention and plan doing the same during next week's convention. Do you intentionally see what is being said by those apposed to your candidate? I believe it help's to hear opposing views and predict opposition's actions,in politics,business and other indevores.
 
There is enough snake oil to prevent all snakes from getting over a hoe handle in the grass. I will take experience over gusto. Jim
 
I've heard a good description the other day. Going to a convention is similar to standing behind a running manure spreader there's a little bit of fertilizer and the rest is well you know
 
We, the current voters, have the luxury of all the modern technology of today. We can see multiple recordings of lying and judge for ourselves. And we can also not see what the networks deliberately don't show. A picture is worth...
 
If I'm going to listen to the conventions, it is C-APAN, as I can make up my own mind as to what some speaker said & do not need some pundit to tell me what was said!
 
I am not interested in what the network talking heads on either side of the argument have to offer, a candidates position on the issues and the amount of government control they profess to believe in are the main driver for me but the integrity of the individual is the ultimate decider.
 
Or as said otherwise

"Vehemence and veracity are seldom synonymous"

Was the punch line in a UK newspaper report on Ralph Nader's first tour of the UK.
 
My Dad told me not to believe anything that any of them said. In spite of what any candidate says, there are laws and congress that can put the brakes on the election winner's ideas. After the election, it is going to be a very difficult time for whoever wins. Congress will be watching them with a set of impeachment papers in hand.
 
My take on the "internet as tyhe information highway"

IMO more like a bad wheat crop - there's grains in there amongst an aweful lot of chaff
 
At my age and stage in life having experience and some wisdom at least lol, sure I listen to opposing views and remain open minded, but after all these years my principles and convictions and values and morals, religious beliefs, and politics and point of view is pretty well fixed, so some talking head isn't going to change it. I'm MY OWN MAN and don't bow to Political Correctness or the Correct police or thought police and am sick and tired of being lectured to by the left (who claim to want diversity YEAH RIGHT and don't impose my values on them or judge them, but they sure do me lol) about how I should think or feel and believe and if not be called a racist bigot or homophobe so they don't have to defend their argument as they cant.

I'm like the old man in the Jimmy Buffett song,,,,,,,,,,,"Now he lives in the islands and fishes the pilons and drinks his green label each day, writing his memoirs loosin his hearing, BUT HE DONT CARE WHAT MOST PEOPLE SAY"

I know right and wrong and history so DONT CARE WHAT ELITE BETTER THEN THOU PUNDITS HAVE TO SAY

From your own opinions NOT what some A hole on the boob tube tells you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGmERAWVdWM

John T
He went to Paris
 
I'm kind of a news junkie. Read the news on 8-12 different sites most every day so I get a good overall view. It usually seems that the side offering facts and numbers is typically being more honest, and it can go either way on which side it is at the time. However most people, myself included, don't really listen to facts and make impartial judgements. Most people listen to the facts, grab the ones that fit their bias, and then say they are right since the facts they pick fit their opinion.
 
I've avoided politics as much as I can for many months now, just tired of it all. I have my view, and that's good enough for me.

Fella on the volleyball team comes from a different state, has a govt job, doesn't appear to leave the city much except to go fishing in the wooded areas.

Sure is interesting to hear his views of farm issues. I enjoy hearing that 'opposing view' as he is good natured fella, and is trying to for. His views from what he hears and his understanding of how things work.

For example he wonders why we don't stop farming half the land, and use hydroponics to more efficiently grow our food.

It is interesting to see the versions of 'efficient' and 'artificial' and so forth that folks see from their view of the world.

To be fair, I have an odd view of his govt job, and how it could be improved and made much more efficient..... I'm sure my views look strange and unworkable to him, from my limited understanding.

I enjoy that sort of discussion with intelligent folk. You don't find that very often tho, its mostly strong opinions and not much listening.....

Paul
 
I preferred to watch the convention live without the talking heads views from the side lines. I doubt I will watch much of next weeks as it will be more of the same lies from the same people who brought us this mess of an economy who are always giving their view point freely all day and night on most every station because of the news media bias.
 
Better question, who wants to watch a convention? I never have. Yes the news spins things to the left or right. I have only one cable news channel at my place at the north end MSNBC. I don't think it should be called news, it should be called the anger news channel. All their nuts have left hand threads.

I know a guy who glued a right hand wing nut to his hat, so he can tell people he is a right hand wing nut.
 
There is no such thing as unbias news network anymore, they all have their own agenda to push. A local radio show went to Cleveland and he is an admitted nnalert but usually does sports. He admitted he was shocked at how the media was spinning things. Example: the protesters, he said most protest groups were less than 50 people, but when the news agencies like CBS, CNN, MSNBC etc filmed it, they did so in a way to make the mob look much bigger than it really was. This same guy is now going to Philadelphia and is wondering how much spin the news agencies will put on it. I can tell you, the PBS is so far left they may fall off a cliff.
 
Why should I waste time watching these conventions? Most of the promises they make they can't keep and they know it. They just hope you are dumb enough to believe them and to therefore vote for them. It's that simple. The presidents powers are limited by the constitution and amendments. The president can't do much in the way of anything without it passing congress first. LOL they can only involve the military in combat for 90 days without congress either issuing a declaration of war or approving it. Now if the CIC of our military can't even really use said military for more than 90 days what makes you think they have power to so much else?

Rick
 
Why get your nnalert in a bunch over something over which you have NO control???
We really have no choice and no control.
Simply put, out of millions of eligible potential candidates, we are given a choice between two. Who REALLY chose them? Certainly not the public. And in the end, it really does not matter who sits in the oval office. The real power is held by people we will never know of. The president is only their puppet.
A politician will only tell you what they think you want to hear. NEVER the truth.
The only thing any politician really cares about is getting re-elected.
 
Actually nnalert was chosen by the public because the party elites sure didn't pick him and the media did what they could to destroy him. As for nnalert, I thought for sure it would be nnalert going into the convention with nnalert looking at a prison sentence.
 
I don't need to hear too much from either side now, I know who will continue to ruin the country and I don't need to hear any more propaganda for against her. Even though nnalert isn't my favorite person there is NO DOUBT that he has my vote. And Mike nnalert sounds like a good one. For one he spoke at the NRA annual meeting, and his state seems to be doing well.
 

I watch the speaker... then listen to the commentators tell me something totally different about what he just said. And,,, thats when that station gets cut off and i move on the another.

All stations are bad,, some are REALLY BAD!.. So use this process to weed out all the false narratives and find something closest to the truth.

It good to understand how much bias there is and from whom. Again,, all do it some, some do it all.
 
I give time to both sides but there are times I have to change the station. NBC News this week was a little over dramatic with Mrs nnalert's speech and how it would damage the nnalert campaign so I switched over to Seinfeld. Nearly all the political programming sounds like a commercial for either party depending on the content. I miss the commentators from years gone by that did not feel as though they had an obligation to a political party.
 
Respectfully, no. The next president will NOMINATE the next supreme court justice but congress will have the final word. In large measure that is why the GOP is concerned about down-ballot elections.
 
nearely put my foot thru a brand new conco.letv I bought in 1979,, I wanted so bad to kik the teeth out of tip o meal and ted kennedy for their stupid remarks about Ronald Reagon,. my dear wife quikly turned it off and lured me into the bedroom to settle down the beast that was rageing ,..
 
No matter who gets elected, the Koch brothers, Rockfellows, etc. will tell them what to do. There are about 3 senators that I would trust and the rest, I wouldn't trust in an empty meat house.
 
(quoted from post at 22:28:00 07/21/16) I've switched between CNN and FOX during the convention and plan doing the same during next week's convention. Do you intentionally see what is being said by those apposed to your candidate? I believe it help's to hear opposing views and predict opposition's actions,in politics,business and other indevores.

I think it's a 2 edged sword but if you can't anticipate what the other side is thinking they can and will gain the upper hand. I seldom listen to news people commentaries but I like to look in on some of the lib eral forum's and try to make heads or tails of their comments. Sometimes it's comical, sometimes it infuriating and sometimes they make a good point. If we aren't objective in our thought process then we are no better than the one's we criticize IMO.
I believe the average ordinary Joe is pretty much the same. We may lean one way or the other in our politics but if we were to sit down with the opposing side and had to come to a compromise, most of us could do that. The news media doesn't want that to happen and all of them are seeing that the citizens stay stirred up so it will make them billions.
I think voters have a responsibility to educate themselves on whatever they are voting on. If they rely on only one source of information then they are just a sheep of a different color. I learned a long time ago while sitting on a hard church pew in a hot church house that the preacher ain't always knowledgeable in what he is preaching. The same goes with the media.
 
Bear in mind that there are THREE branches of government that make up an exotic system of checks and balances. The president's power is limited by the other branches of government just as the power of congress is limited by the executive and judicial branches of government.
Overall, a president is more of a figurehead than anything else. It really doesn't matter who is elected. In any case, you vote for whoever you prefer to win. That will figure in with the votes of 300 million other folks, and the decision will be made. My tiny little vote will not guarantee that I will get my way. It will, however, add to the others that vote as I do. It will have minimal effect on my life either way.

As I have said before, no president ever put a dollar in my pocket. Every one of them has taken dollars out of my pocket. I would never credit a president with my having a decent paying job. Nor would I blame a president if I were unemployed. Folks get themselves riled up over things that they cannot change. Life is better if us "little people" would just concern ourselves with our own daily lives and forget about what is going on around the rest of the world. Why give yourself an ulcer over some nut job halfway around the world.
 
On behalf of the citizens of the rest of the world, Thank you for providing some of the best entertainment ever produced.
 

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