Spraying 2,4 D with dish soap

Will be spraying a few acres with some 2,4 D soon
I know some add dish soap to the mix

need to know:

- Preferred brand of dish soap ??

- amount soap needed for a ten gallon mix ??
 
Brand of soap, cheap.

How much, I like to see it produce a white foamy bubbles when I spray it.

My thinking is poison Ivy has oils on the leaf and soap will stick to oil bonding the mix to the leaf longer. No scientific proof if it works, but it works for me. I use a blend of 2-4 and round up to kill everything.
geo
 
Yes Geo, it does work! Scientifically it is known as a surfactant", something that affects the surface of a plant leaf. OIly , waxy leaves are very hard to treat, thus a soap film will act as a surfactant and it will hold and transfer the chemical into the surface of the waxy or oily leaf. Any amount of soap will do the job,it doesn't have to foam to be effective, just leave a soap film. I would think a couple of cupfulls of liquid soap in a 100 gallon mix would be lots.
 
Nice to know there is a scientific name for adding soap. Now is three a way for some with CRS to remember what it's called?
 

Just trying to knock down the weed population while keeping the grasses

The beefers eat it but I want to reduce the weeds

just baled it last week before the weeds got too bad or went to seed
 
Use a dish washing "detergent" not soap. There is a difference. In chemistry 101 there was an experiment using soap and detergent. Soap would react with dirt/grease/other stuff and leave a greasy precipitate, the detergent would not. Dawn is by far the best, a little more expensive, but worth the difference. You don't need much.

OTJ
 
(quoted from post at 01:15:02 06/30/16) Use a dish washing "detergent" not soap. There is a difference. In chemistry 101 there was an experiment using soap and detergent. Soap would react with dirt/grease/other stuff and leave a greasy precipitate, the detergent would not. Dawn is by far the best, a little more expensive, but worth the difference. You don't need much.

OTJ

Another example is "Body Wash" vs bar soap. BW doesn't leave a film on you or the shower walls, BS does.
 
(quoted from post at 17:15:02 06/29/16) Use a dish washing "detergent" not soap. There is a difference. In chemistry 101 there was an experiment using soap and detergent. Soap would react with dirt/grease/other stuff and leave a greasy precipitate, the detergent would not. Dawn is by far the best, a little more expensive, but worth the difference. You don't need much.

OTJ

It would be very difficult to use soap because soap is very difficult to find. No one makes it or uses it anymore except for the back to earth people who make lye soap from animal fat.
 
Pete, If there is a pill to help stop CRAFT I would probably forget to take it. So how do I be careful? geo
 

Dish soap is a surfactant. It basically makes water "wetter" by breaking down the molecules in the water. Water alone will most often "bead up" on glass, but add a little soap to the water and it will make the glass wet. It will no longer just bead up.
 
(quoted from post at 01:15:02 06/30/16) Use a dish washing "detergent" not soap. There is a difference. In chemistry 101 there was an experiment using soap and detergent. Soap would react with dirt/grease/other stuff and leave a greasy precipitate, the detergent would not. Dawn is by far the best, a little more expensive, but worth the difference. You don't need much. OTJ

A friend who owned a mechanical engineering firm. that mainly designed and built liquid transfer systems for the drug industry, always used Dawn to clean the piping and tanks before they turned the job over. He said it was the best stuff to use, better than any commercially available cleaner.
 

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