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larry@stinescorner
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Is that a Terrramite??
I would agree, he's got room to set the stabilizers down, and maybe the hoe, then chain it down. I used to haul full size rubber tire backhoes, like 580 case, 555-655 ford, etc, on tag trailers behind a tandem dump and the worst was getting the darned thing up on the trailer, front end gets too light., Once on, lash it down correctly, that was the easy part. I had one go sideways on the ramps once, scared the heck out of me, but I was able to recover and get it loaded.
Ivan in Mich
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Maybe it was headed to the prison to clean out the cells of the politicans
farmerwithmutt
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About 2 years ago a guy but an excavator on a trailer in order to get the skid loader on he had the excavator arm up. He had so many wires broke the substation caught fire he broke poles off ripped meters right off the house walls one highway you look up almost all the wires are spliced. He made at least 15 miles before he was stopped. The electric company got every local electrician and brought in crews from over 100 miles away. Surprising the guys still in business but I would hate to pay his insurance.
37chief
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I think trucks hauling dirt or whatever, sometimes forget to lower their bed after the dump, and get stopped at the first bridge they meet. Stan
I moved a 580 Case for someone once, when we got to the machine one rear tire was flat. He wanted nothing to do with it.. I walked it on with the hoe without unseating the bead on the tire so we just had to fill it with air when we got to a compressor. I have loaded more then a few with help from the hoe rather then slide off the ramps.
I hauled my backhoe with the bucket hooked over the tailgate of my gravel truck with a chain hooked to the truck for several years. You would see contractors doing it as well as out County crews. I took mine thru Bryan Ohio the County seat many times that way. The County bought a backhoe trailer and then everyone else had to stop hauling them that way.
After I bough my backhoe trailer I put the stabilizers hoe and loader down and four corner chained along with a chain over the hoe bucket. Never was stopped once.
After I bough my backhoe trailer I put the stabilizers hoe and loader down and four corner chained along with a chain over the hoe bucket. Never was stopped once.
Almost 30 years ago a guy dad worked with was hauling a full sized regular backhoe on a tandem dually flat deck trailer on a pintle hitch behind a road tractor. He had a car pull out in front of him and would have for sure killed the people in the car. He mashed on the brakes, it broke the chains holding the backhoe down, crushed the cab of the truck and killed him. Many people don't understand the G forces exerted when you have to stop fast with that much weight. That also may have been before they were too picky on WLL of chain and binders.
The first 580 I loaded on this type of trailer, I used the hoe and skidded the bucket until I got over center on the trailer, then would lift the hoe up and into the locked position which was a bit of an odd maneuver to get the latches to catch. I don't think there was any other way to load a Case 580 backhoe on a tag trailer like the one I was using. This one was an '81 model, 2wd with extenda-hoe. It was the ford that went sideways one morning, it just pivoted to one side, the front got light. I can't recall what was different or what I did that may have caused it, as the Case pretty much taught you that some assistance was needed from the hoe to get over center.
After watching someone climb one of these into a rail car, I guess loading one onto a tag trailer is insignificant LOL !
After watching someone climb one of these into a rail car, I guess loading one onto a tag trailer is insignificant LOL !
larry@stinescorner
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Even if it took a bad fall,Geo would have a parts machine! lol
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Geo-TH,In
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RBoots,
I'm not sure that brakes could stop you faster than 1 G because of the coefficient of friction between rubber and the road. But lets say it could and a person had a 12000# backhoe, then the chains and D hooks would have to be able to withstand 12000# of stopping force. To compound the issue, if he only used one chain and looped it through something, then one chain breaks and there is nothing left. That's why I use two G70 3/8 chains attached to my back D rings to keep my tractors form doing what you described. No binder, I have chains the length I want, put them on tractor and pull tractor forward to tighten both of them at once.
Newton's laws of motion needs to be applied, something in motion tends to stay in motion. And stopping, Force = mass times acceleration.
I strap my tractors 8 ways, may not be legal according to TY cop standards, but never been stopped by the real cops. My method has been tested too when trailer went off road and almost tipped into friends lake. geo.
I'm not sure that brakes could stop you faster than 1 G because of the coefficient of friction between rubber and the road. But lets say it could and a person had a 12000# backhoe, then the chains and D hooks would have to be able to withstand 12000# of stopping force. To compound the issue, if he only used one chain and looped it through something, then one chain breaks and there is nothing left. That's why I use two G70 3/8 chains attached to my back D rings to keep my tractors form doing what you described. No binder, I have chains the length I want, put them on tractor and pull tractor forward to tighten both of them at once.
Newton's laws of motion needs to be applied, something in motion tends to stay in motion. And stopping, Force = mass times acceleration.
I strap my tractors 8 ways, may not be legal according to TY cop standards, but never been stopped by the real cops. My method has been tested too when trailer went off road and almost tipped into friends lake. geo.
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Geo-TH,In
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Mike M.
The way it built, if it fell off, roll it over and most likely there would be little harm. If you ever looked closely at how they are built, the frame work is built out of heavy metal. Everything is welded, no bolt on loader of 3 pt hoe here.
The roll cage is built like a race car's roll cage. Unlike other tractors roll bar, which in my opinion won't do much if you ever had to use it, other than cut you in half if it landed on you then fold up.
geo
The way it built, if it fell off, roll it over and most likely there would be little harm. If you ever looked closely at how they are built, the frame work is built out of heavy metal. Everything is welded, no bolt on loader of 3 pt hoe here.
The roll cage is built like a race car's roll cage. Unlike other tractors roll bar, which in my opinion won't do much if you ever had to use it, other than cut you in half if it landed on you then fold up.
geo
ditchwitch
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maybe it was heading to clean out the sandtraps on the federal golf coarse
Ken Macfarlane
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Your math is close enough, diagonal chains while needed also increases the load on them vs straight ahead chain. Same with steepness, an upward angle again needed to hold the vehicle down also increases load on the chain.
Moral of story use more/bigger chain than the minimum.
Moral of story use more/bigger chain than the minimum.
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