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Farmall43

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Woke up to watch the news this morning and see that Great Britain decided to withdraw from the EU. This will turn our economy on its ear for a little bit. But here is to hoping that in the end it will benefit us in some way. The stock market plunged when it opened. I had hoped that the stockbrokers would be a little more rational about all of this. Oh well the desire for the almighty dollar for a few will screw the masses once again. Be ready to see a few harder months while Britain figures out its new place in the worlds. The farmers will most likely suffer as I seem to remember that Britain exports a large amount of agricultural product throughout the EU...



Matt
EU history
 
I'm having a hard time seeing how a country taking itself back under its own cibtrol is a bad thing, but I guess the money poeple need something to worry about for a few weeks. Might be a good buying oppertunity for us common folk who aren't so dang smart.....

Paul
 
I think that this will make Europe fall into a worse economic situation. I have mixed feelings about the US, it could spur investment in this Country, but it could also reduce the amount of European money available for this investment. It really was a bonehead move on UK part to do this when the global economy is so fragile.
 
The issue is not so much control as the ease of selling products across country lines within Europe, this will invalidate all those policies and trade deals will need to be negotiated from scratch.
 
Thanks for this post. I will readily admit ignorance with regards to the EU and the issues surrounding this vote. I am interested to read perspectives from others from "across the pond". I can read analysis from journalists and politicians, but I've discovered in hanging out here, the perspective of "tractor folks" is often much more level headed and down to earth!
 
I think its a trend, people want their OWN Country their OWN borders and culture and NOT be held hostage by the PC crowd and all evolve into a one world global community and are sick and tired of being lectured to as to how they should think and feel. I kind of like America and its culture and its language and independence myself and pray it will return and I'm all for "LEGAL" immigration. If any of this makes me a bad person in the eyes of the PC crowd or some libs, you can just call me bad and kiss my grits lol

God Bless yall and the USA

John T
 
Isn't one of the issues immigrants not economic? With the new waves of immigrants coming in and the union insisting on open borders there having problems that way.
 
My take on this is the English people had had enough of bureaucrats in Brussels telling them what to do and how to do it. These un-elected bureaucrats have way to much power. Just imagine if Mexico began to dictate to the US...the uproar it would cause.
 
I sure wish I could spell, and that my fingers worked better on a tap screen keyboard..... ;) sorry for the jumbled words.

I know what you are saying, but Europe has to eat. If they don't buy from UK, they have to buy somewhere, maybe our exports go up.... I understand traders get nervous over any changes, but in 6 months there is the same number of mouths to feed, people of the world will need the same amount of clothing and essentials. Sure there will be a little chest beating, a little bribing, a little shifting of markets to and fro. But in the end the same number of folk will be buying about the same amount of stuff. Only thing that might change is if the traders do themselves in, and scare themselves out of money to grease the global ecconomy. That wouldn't be UK's fault, it would be the traders doing it to themselves and the rest of us. Could happen tho, I understand.

Paul
 
I actually think long term it won't make much difference, I am most concerned about rocking anything right now with the global markets so fragile.
 
I'm not sure but wasn't the vote non binding? It's still up to parliament to decide whether or not they withdraw.
 
Right now the EU is hurting because a couple members have destroyed their economies with their socialist policies that they can't afford. As a whole I think the EU would be much stronger if they cut off the weaker members - why should Germany and the UK suffer because the Greeks can't live within their means? If they don't cut off the weaker members the stronger economies are going to suffer or leave - see the UK. The immigrant issue is more visible but as important now - but in one generation it will be.
 
Yup, I hear you.

The USA election, whichever way it goes, will be a bit of frightful thing too?

Paul
 
The worst thing these days is all everyone wants to base decisions is the money.Good thing people like Washington,Adams,Jefferson and the rest didn't think that way or there
wouldn't be a USA.Most all of them suffered huge financial losses because of their stands against England.Freedom is never cheap.
 
The flood of refugees over there is a direct result of our failures and meddeling in Libya, Syria, etc. We should have kept a strong presence in Iraq instead of bailing out on them.

Us leaving Iraq pretty much started the mess if you asked me.

Who was Sec. of State then?

Gene
 
Just as Cubans don?t see themselves as American , Brits don?t see themselves as European. My family is
Is mostly from England. Ask them if they are European and they will tell you absolutely not. That may
Not be logical but that is how they see it.
 
There is such a thing as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. No doubt those in the "leave" camp are momentarily elated about their win, but the consequences will be felt by their descendants in perpetuity.
 
Agreed. The popular Blame America First mantra is that the US was founded by a bunch of rich white men that didn't want to pay their taxes. But not one of the men that signed the Declaration of Independence profited by the establishment of the US and most of them lost fortunes and some their lives.
 
Yea! Can we dissolve the North American Free Trade Agreement now??? Huh? Can we? Please!
 
What I can't figure is how this vote came as such a surprise. Even the bookies had it very wrong. I was in England last month for about a week and when anyone found out I was from the states they wanted to talk about nnalert and Clinton and the conversation would always lead to the vote on leaving the EU. I probably talked to about 25 people from all over the country and every single one of them were in favor of leaving. Admittedly, not a very scientific poll, but it convinced me.
 
Actually I think the pain will be the short term but the UK will benefit in the long term. Do you really want your economy shackled to SPain, Greece and Portugal?
 
Hi, I don't know why they would agree to open borders in their free trade agreement. There are so many refugees floating around that would make them bow out in my humble opinion. Ed Will
 
MarkB
Maybe if you lived there and had to deal with the total B/S and corruption thats going on in the EU parliament, you may have a slightly different opinion. Look at how many people in the U.S think the EPA should but out of their lives. Well imagine what that would be like, if that was the EPA running the whole of U.S. The EU is worse, and for something like 20 years they haven't opened the books as the corruption would show right up, how would you like that with your money.

The whole thing is just a power trip to for certain country's to, I left the U.K 16 years ago for a reason The EU was crazy then!!!!!. The Germans lost the war,and it seemed they just wanted revenge on the U.K with the EU. The EU regulate absolutely everything, And even are trying to regulate house hold appliances that use to much power including cell phone chargers, vacuum cleaners toasters and kettles. The other lists of pointless rules and regulations are endless to.


The money this system costs the U.K and all the issues like open boarders with so many people coming in that the country can't support financially and in the demand for services and space to keep them is just crazy to. Immigrants have more rights than the people born there in a lot of cases!
As A U.K born citizen I have no right not to be blown up by some radical terrorist in my own country, but according to the EU court of human rights, If terrorist is caught and wanted by other country's with less than perfect human rights, That total scum can't be deported there and the u.k is feeding and keeping them, costing thousands which could be spent on the u.k citizens own needs.
Why do you think the vote went like it did?
regards Robert
 
It was no question as where this vote was going. Bankers in a second rate country telling me what to do??!! The EU rules say I have to let all of these third world trash into my country?? Right now Sweden's population is out numbered by the trash by almost 20% in their own country! There was a show on the BBC several months ago and what was up with the "flood" of people. They have to wearhouse them, give them money, also food, and housing, and they need to do Nothing! The people in the areas were livid! Google BBC special reports.
I am just waiting for Germany to tell them all to P off! This was another socialist leftist try out that was stupid from the get go. A one world order will not work unless you wipe out every single person and let the wild animals be in peace and quiet so they can eat each other. Sounds a bit harsh but social experiments like this are all sqweezy huggy and don't work. Look at argentina, cuba, Russia, venizual, spell...you get my drift.
 
The British people have a right to self determination just like anybody else should.They were tired of being dictated to by unelected foreign officials in Brussels.The British want to put Britain's interest's first.Much like The Donald's successful campaign platform of let's make America great again by putting America's interest's first.I beleive what's going over there and what's happening here is a resurgence of nationalism and a repudiation of the establishment's desire for complete control over the lives of the common man and woman.

Paul
 
Your right history is repeating itself . Look at the after effects of ww 1 and they way Europe split up. In a way it's like our civil war people didn't want a federal government telling them what to do .
 
This sounds exactly like what the link_disallowed/link_disallowed dream team want for the USA.
 
It will take time to really measure the entire economic fallout. But as some have expressed their belief Britain is freeing itself from Brussels and Euro influence, in the same way, Brussels, who has been the biggest contributer, will be able to exert more influence on the continent. The British and through them the USA, will have less influence, and for some reason Putin is elated
 
Robert, I can't imagine your home-grown bureaucrats will be any more accommodating than the eurocrats. After all, English bureaucracy has a centuries-old reputation for intransigence.

Yes, I understand why the vote went the way it did. But what feels good today is not necessarily what is in the best long-term interests of a country. After all, our own beloved Richard M. Nixon won re-election by a landslide in '72. Of course nobody ever won an election by putting their country's long-term interests ahead of popular sentiment.
 
There's a young guy from GB on another site I frequent that posted last night saying pretty much the same thing.

The silent majority (ie-those outside the big cities) are tired of the governmental over reach from Brussels, and THEY WANT THEIR COUNTRY BACK. This is the very reason they had, what was reported, as a nearly unheard of 74% voter turn out.

Now, if WE can do the same in November, and take this Country back from what has turned into an over reaching government of our own, we'll be OK.
 
Well, I expect you are right. The EU will now have one less country paying in to welfare Italy, Greece, Spain and one or two others. I read somewhere this morning that things are getting bad enough in Denmark and Sweden they are wanting out also. Their socialist welfare systems are close to crashing with the burden of the "refugees" and they are in danger of having their cultures over run. Every few years someone comes along and says, It failed because you didn't do it right! But WE know how to do it right. Just you watch". So everyone watches breathlessly and 30 years later that version crashes and burns also. The capacity of the human race's failure to learn is mind boggling.
 
There seems to be some anger now from voters influenced to leave by the promise of billions of dollars that went to the EU from Britain being promised for healthcare, education, job creation and spending to help Brits. Now the leaders of the movement are saying they never really made that promise. This will be interesting to watch, as well as our own battle set from now to Nov.
 
May God bless them all. They were a sovereign nation for centuries that worked just fine and will again despite the "experts" telling them that they will fail for slapping down one world government and taking their sovereign independence back. I am so very proud of them and hope that what they've done spreads the whole world wide leaving no nation untouched. No nation. I'm eating up the cheers and proud smiles on the faces of the common people contrasted by frowns on the faces of the "rulers" worldwide. Happy Independence Day United Kingdom!

Mark
 
Mark-IN. I sometimes get your handle and someone else's here mixed up until I read your replies. Then it becomes very clear who is who. Time will tell if the Brits did the right thing but I think their country and ours were and are going down the wrong track so hopefully this will turn out for them.
 
It's a lot more than Greece. Add Italy, Spain and Portugal also, at the very least. They are being propped up and rewarded for their laziness and incompetence by bleeding the Brits, Danes and Swedes. Don't feel too sorry for Frauline Merkel. She has had a lot to do with the mess. She was one of the first ones to welcome the refugees with open arms because she needs more workers and taxpayers to prop up their welfare system, because as I understand it their tax base is shrinking perilously close to not being able to support their welfare programs. Only thing is, it ain't working out quite like she thought. After the Brussels airport attack, it came out in the news that Belgium is spending so much on social programs that their police forces are woefully inadequate. EU sagging farm economy isn't helping matters right now either.

Briton may suffer some withdrawal pains from leaving the EU now, but an economic disaster is looming in the EU and the Brits seem have sense enough to get out before the damn breaks.
 
Pete, I think, hope, and pray that they will be OK, and if history is any indicator and with ambition, they will be. Take our nation for example. We LEFT a tyrannical government to come here, and they followed us and tried to impose tyranny here upon us. Since that time it hasn't always been easy, although these days all too many think that it should be. The same can be said for instance about the United Kingdom that was being bombed into oblivion during WWII, but they persevered. Anyone in the United Kingdom that thinks that this move is going to be all cherry pie is completely wrong, but anyone that thinks that this move is going to cause the world to veer off of its axis and go flying into some black hole is more wrong. There are going to be growing pains and there's going to have to be a lot of mopping up and scrubbing floors and using pitch forks to clean up manure from the barn stalls, but it'll get done with effort and pride. We as a nation can and should learn from what they did, from them for a change. Time to pick ourselves up and get back in the game to win instead of sitting around and crying that no one's carrying us across finish lines.

My father came through Ellis Island off of the boat from Poland after having spent time in a concentration camp. I knew him as a proud man that took nothing for granted that preferred to work for what he had, and that rubbed off on me. God bless his soul, may he rest in peace, and I will always be grateful for what he did and taught me.

Pete and others, we celebrate our Independence Day, 4th of July in just over a week. We celebrate our Declaration of Independence from tyrannical governments as well as our Constitution that affirms and confirms our God given rights for freedom and liberty. We should not deny anyone else (ie: United Kingdom) the same, and given what they just did and the way that we are headed as a nation, I sincerely hope that we learn something from this.

Mark
 
(quoted from post at 12:24:14 06/24/16) MarkB
Maybe if you lived there and had to deal with the total B/S and corruption thats going on in the EU parliament, you may have a slightly different opinion. Look at how many people in the U.S think the EPA should but out of their lives. Well imagine what that would be like, if that was the EPA running the whole of U.S. The EU is worse, and for something like 20 years they haven't opened the books as the corruption would show right up, how would you like that with your money.

The whole thing is just a power trip to for certain country's to, I left the U.K 16 years ago for a reason The EU was crazy then!!!!!. The Germans lost the war,and it seemed they just wanted revenge on the U.K with the EU. The EU regulate absolutely everything, And even are trying to regulate house hold appliances that use to much power including cell phone chargers, vacuum cleaners toasters and kettles. The other lists of pointless rules and regulations are endless to.


The money this system costs the U.K and all the issues like open boarders with so many people coming in that the country can't support financially and in the demand for services and space to keep them is just crazy to. Immigrants have more rights than the people born there in a lot of cases!
As A U.K born citizen I have no right not to be blown up by some radical terrorist in my own country, but according to the EU court of human rights, If terrorist is caught and wanted by other country's with less than perfect human rights, That total scum can't be deported there and the u.k is feeding and keeping them, costing thousands which could be spent on the u.k citizens own needs.
Why do you think the vote went like it did?
regards Robert
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Bravo! The EU is just another failed socialist/PC experiment. When it comes down to the common man he doesn't benefit, he gets screwed. The elitist power brokers make billions and the masses suffer. Don't even get me started on immigration!
 
(quoted from post at 06:54:21 06/24/16) I think its a trend, people want their OWN Country their OWN borders and culture and NOT be held hostage by the PC crowd and all evolve into a one world global community and are sick and tired of being lectured to as to how they should think and feel. I kind of like America and its culture and its language and independence myself and pray it will return and I'm all for "LEGAL" immigration. If any of this makes me a bad person in the eyes of the PC crowd or some libs, you can just call me bad and kiss my grits lol

God Bless yall and the USA

John T
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I'll second that! 8)
 
(quoted from post at 06:04:23 06/24/16) My take on this is the English people had had enough of bureaucrats in Brussels telling them what to do and how to do it. These un-elected bureaucrats have way to much power. Just imagine if Mexico began to dictate to the US...the uproar it would cause.
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I'll second the daylights on that!
 
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