bushels for 856

CPACy · May 23, 2016

Is there a calculation on how many HP you need per bushel to haul grain? Just wondering what size of wagon my 856 could pull safely. I know there is a limit of what it could pull, but would rather stay with in what I should pull.
Probably wouldn't be going more than 4 miles each direction and relatively flat (+/- 25 feet elevation).

David G · May 23, 2016

I think hills are biggest issue and being able to stop, going slow and you can pull a lot more.

INCase · May 23, 2016

brakes!

2 loaded 350+ bu gravity wagons will wag the tail of a 5488 IH with FWA when trying to stop. and that particular one is a well maintained unit with good brakes.

more than enough power to head down the road.

gene bender · May 23, 2016

no such table exists

IA Roy · May 23, 2016

I wouldn't be afraid to pull 400 bushels behind an 856. I certainly would suggest that the wagons would have brakes and the tractor brakes work well. I would suggest not pulling more than 2 wagons.
That said, I worked for a guy that pulled 6 wagons of oats a little over 200 bushels each to the elevator with an 806, 856 or 966 over 40 years ago. He had about a mile to go over fairly flat ground. A little over 1200 bushels total. He said he pulled it in 1st high about 6 or 7 mph. Ground was dry and hard in the field. I think he was pretty foolish. I don't think any of the wagons had brakes, they were pretty small and brakes were not very common. Others would have more up to date opinions.

paul · May 23, 2016

Brakes and controlling the load on hills going down is the issue.

I pulled 600 and 500 bu last fall, with my 85hp Ford 7700. All 4 tires are loaded making it a heavy stable tractor, and the brakes work. I only go a mile, one stop sign. I've taken 500 bu 5 miles on the state highway, down a good hill, but I've worked up to that. And I would have issues without the weighted tires, I think 400bu would be the limit without the fluid in the rear tires.

I do get a lot of tire wear, ag tires get some interesting wear patterns running on the tar.....

Paul

notjustair · May 23, 2016

I've pulled 350 bushels with a Farmall M in a pinch, but it never had the brakes to stop it if I needed to (or the traction to make it up a slope). I'd stick with 350 bushels. The problem there is that any cart that big is tall and you won't be able to see over or around it to know who is behind you. The 86 series had cabs with high flashers, but that won't.

flying belgian · May 23, 2016

i USED TO PULL A 650 bushel Brent box with my CX 100 CaseIH. It is about same horsepower but not as heavy as 856. I did have 1000 lbs. weight on the back. Hauled hundreds of thousands of bushels 10 miles to market. 4 wheel brakes on trailer which I kept in perfect working order. Took me a long time to get her up to 22 mph. road speed and then any little incline would pull it down. I would still be doing it but traffic around Mankato, Mn. has increased ten fold to where it was to dangerous out there. So I bought a tandem grain truck. I think if I were to go back to wagon I would not want more then 500 bushel and 400 might be a better fit. Starting the load is one thing but stopping it is the bigger issue. I have a 350 bushel wagon with rear wheel brakes that I used to pull with my 706. Anything over 350 should have brakes unless you have a really big tractor.

Goose · May 23, 2016

I think common sense rules here.

I used to pull two 300 bushel gravity wagons together with my D19 Allis. With sideboards on the wagons, I could scale 650 bushels. The only reason I used the D19 instead of an 856 I owned at the time was the 856 wouldn't fit across the scale at the elevator with duals on, and I didn't want to have to take them off.

However, I only had a level mile and a quarter to the elevator and I only ran 6th gear at about 8mph loaded. I hit 8th gear running empty.

Was I smart? Not only "no", but "Hell No". But this was 25 - 30 years ago, and BS. (Before Semis). A lot of other people weren't moving much faster.

As I said above, common sense should prevail, rather than formulae. Do what you feel comfortable with in your own circumstances.

RBoots · May 23, 2016

There is stupid all around us. There is a guy I see at the elevator each fall, hauling 2 ~300 bushel wagons with a 235 Massey Ferguson. I dont know how he gets them moving, or up the ramp to the pit. I don't know if it is the same guy I see hauling his 4020 on a tandem trailer with a Ford Ranger or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Ross

ss55 · May 24, 2016

When that tractor was built some 45 to 50 years ago, it was a big tractor and the big wagons without brakes were about 200 bushels, maybe up to 300 bushel with brakes. If there is are short lines to unload, your tractor still has good brakes, you want to stay safe and you want to be a good neighbor I would pull only one of those wagons at a time and make more trips at a reasonably fast road speed. Some guys pull more wagons at harvest time because they have to wait in line to unload for several hours each trip. Most have switched to semi trucks.

CPACy · May 25, 2016

I think we'll stay in the 250-300 bushel range and stay only on the gravel for the mile or so between the field and the bins. The gravel is a local traffic only kind of road. Only the truck will be making trips to town.
Thanks for all the opinions.

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