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JD 2140 is stuck in frozen mud and ice !

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DOTPOKA

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Hello,

In the last few weeks the weather went from mild to completely freezing. During the mild spell, I got my JD 1986 2140 tractor stuck on my property in some mud. Now things are completely frozen solid, and when I shift into gear (any of them) the tires will not budget. This is a RWD and the tractor is stuck up to just under the PTO.

I can see that the PTO works, and it will turn. So the drive shaft is working to the rear axel. However the back of the tractor is bottomed out. What scares me most is that when I put the tractor into gear (lock/unlock differential) and shift gears, etc. the tires do not move at all.

So I took my 220K BTU outdoor diesel heater and warmed up the back of the tractor, and was able to tilt the tractor up/down with the bucket, raising and lowering the front wheels.

So the bottom of the tractor is not stuck in the ice... I am thinking it is just either the very bottom of the rear tires frozen into the ground or something is broken in my rear axel of my tires?

Any ideas much appreciated, would prefer not to wait until the spring.

Sincerely,

Stuck-In-Ice
 
NOT sure what you have going on with the lack of power to the rear wheels, but trying to move it with the rear wheels frozen down is asking for it to rear up and flip over backwards (on YOU)!
 
You might want to be very thankful the rear tires didn't move as if they are frozen to the ground and you were trying to go forward you very possibly could have flipped
the tractor over on yourself.

Sounds to me like you may need a very strong machine to pull it out or dig it out.
 
neighbor left his darn 2n freeze down one winter. He wanted us to hook his (big tractor) to it(8n) and pull it free. He had alzheimers. Really made him mad when I tried to tell him we might rip the rear tires apart if the useless 8n would actually move it. I took a tarp up later and wrapped around 2n so he couldn't actually see it, he promptly forgot it was there till spring when I uncovered it. Alzheimers is a awfull thing. Good luck getting it loose.
 
Maybe deflate the tires and then re-inflate. The change in tire dimension might break a wheel free...or make the problem worse.
 
i went on a tow call to winch out a skidsteer stuck in frozen mud. looked at it and decided i'd tear the machine apart with the winch. put about 6 bags of driveway salt down and told the owner i'd be back in a few days. salt did the job and was able to get er out. like the other guys said, dont try and break it loose, or will will break it.
 
I put down about 80lbs of salt, the salt is keeping the snow/ice in a slush like state in this cold Canadian weather (-20 celcius).

I'll put some more down .... thanks !
 
The tires are filled with mixer of water and calcium chloride so they won't deflate easily.... thanks for the idea...
 
Let is sit!You will break something(or yourself) if you try to force it from the ice.Dont ask how I know this.....But I had a JD
combine stuck for 5 months one year.
 
The rear wheels of the tractor are 50% sunk down in the ice and mud, the front tires are above ground so the tractor is tilted on an upwards angle.

The clutch seems to be working, I can shift gears, engage diff, PTO, however no power is going to the rear tires.

Avoiding trying reverse just in case ..... don't want to flip over!
 
Hmm... going forward .... right ... thought it was reverse that was dangerous ... eek ..... my rear wheels are 50% sunk but the front wheels are at surface level...
 
OK .... after taking a good look around the tractor I can see that with chains attached to a tree in front and rotating my bucket will cause the tractor to shift forward/backward a very small amount.... I will leave myself chained to that tree to avoid any accidental flip!
 
If you have to have it get yourself a wrecking bar and shovel and start work.


I remember my brother getting a combine stuck late at night (November) with nothing to pull it out and the next day it snowed and froze hard. The day after that 5 of us were on shovels, picks and wrecking bars getting it out - the old man wouldn't let us even think of hooking a chain to it - to easy to break something up. 6-8 hours of hard labor later it was out and all of us learned a lesson about letting something sit stuck over night. It would have been a lot easier if we'd worked a couple extra hours that first night to get it out than assume it would still be there in the morning.
 
(quoted from post at 13:10:55 02/17/16)

I can see that the PTO works, and it will turn. So the drive shaft is working to the rear axel. Stuck-In-Ice
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Pto & trans drive shaft are 2 different drive shafts unless you have a tractor with trans driven pto which are rare.
 
(quoted from post at 12:37:21 02/17/16) Clutch might be slipping if you cannot get the wheels to spin or the tractor to flip over
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Trying too much with the drive frozen like that will take out the clutch......PRONTO! :shock:
 
If you have it in gear and the clutch released, and you can shift gears yet nothing moves...either an axle is broke or the crown gear in the differential has stripped the gears or rivets holding it to the carrier. Like rrlund says, backhoe time...

Ben
 
Hi, about 50 years I did the same thing to a JD 420U in -25F weather. The water had seeped into the brakes and froze and that
was what was causing the rear wheels not to move. In either 1st or Rev it would just stall the engine when the clutch was
released.
We hooked a chain onto the drawbar and the 3pt drawbar on the other tractor and lifted the rear of the JD out of the mud and
water and trailed it backward out of the hole with both rear wheels locked solid. Then we put the 3pt drawbar under the drawbar
of the JD and put a bolt thru both drawbars then picked the rear wheels of the JD off the ground and towed to a neighbor's
heated garage. It took a couple days for the JD to thaw out.

I don't know if water can get into your JD 2140's brakes or not.

Good luck at getting it unstuck but if you can chain the bucket to a tree and roll the bucket, it should pull it forward.

BE CAREFUL.

JimB
 
Your metal rim and fluid filled tire are probably good enough thermal conductors to freeze the mud around the tire all the way to the bottom of the tire. When the weather warms those same thermal conductors will thaw the mud around the tire faster than the surrounding ground.

Winter is already more than half over. There is a warm front moving through the Midwest, Omaha, NE will have highs near 60F for the next three days. If you don't urgently need the tractor and it's stuck that bad I'd be tempted to let it stay where it is until the mud around the tires thaws. As the top surface does thaw, continue to dig the mud away so it does not refreeze even tighter around the tires, rims and the bottom of the tractor. Your location will determine how many weeks of winter is left.
 
We used to put 10 gallon of diesel under our old HD 10 pan and light it when it was cold. You had to used canvas binders around for wind break. You could use smaller pans around the rear parts but not too close to the tires.

A combine is bad enough getting stuck but a track machine is much worse. We always put tires or boards under the tracks.
 
I think you would be wise at this point to get a backhoe and dig the damn thing out before you smash more than you've already broken. If the tractor doesn't even labor when you let the clutch out it's a safe bet you busted something already. For your sake I hope it's just the rivets in the clutch plate. More likely it's in the differential... and that will be costly. If you insist on trying to rock it loose with the loader you can probably add an axle or transmission housing to your list of broken parts. Dig it out safely, thaw it out and see what's broke.

Rod
 

Dig out time.

If the tractor doesn't lug or lift the front end then something else has already broken...
 
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