Finding Parts for Dayton Fayette Trailer Axles w Elec Brakes

I know a trailer might not fit this category but since me and my wife will be using the trailer to haul our Ford 9n as well as picking up another tractor and attachments, I was hoping no one would mind if I asked for help on finding parts for a trailer.

From what I know this trailer was a camping trailer probably from the 1970's to early 80's which the previous owner had removed the camping part of it and left the trailer part of it to do hauling.

It's very well built but the axle was mounted near the middle of the trailer and causes a balance problem whereby when the weight can't be kept toward the front of the trailer, the weight gets distributed toward the back of the trailer which reduced the tongue weight significantly. We just pick up some telephone poles to start building a 24x40 pole barn in the spring and the back end of the truck was being lifted off of the road :shock:
enough so that when the poles kept making the trailer bounce up n down meaning the back would shift down and then cause the front to bounce up and back n forth making us have to come almost to a complete stop to gain control. We even squealed some tire when the weight shifted down in the back and lifted up the front of the trailer.

...but anyways we just bought 2 Dayton Fayette trailer axles so that we could add some needed support to the trailer. We're going to extend the trailer several feet and move the axles approx. 3/4 of the way toward the back of the trailer.

The main problem is finding any parts and the mix-up with people saying how these axles were mobile home axle and are illegal in some states. Well these are for a FACT not mobile home axles and are certainly a camping trailer axle

The hubs have Dayton Fayette 9349 W-1 and W-2 on one set and Dayton Fayette 9349 W-3 and a W-4 on the second set. The drum diameter is 10.040 inches and is a 5-bolt configuration.

Any help would be appreciated

If you google Fayette trailers you will find dealers and parts stores.

You can also buy the backing plate complete with brakes for it. That's what I did. I don't know if your in michigan or not, but can post the fellow I do business with. Grandtrailerdorcome.

It appears to be a Hays/Alco brake. Is it a 1 3/4 or 2 1/4 wide brake? Those parts are available through Redneck trailer.

His backing plates are not removable.

(quoted from post at 17:37:09 10/25/15) His backing plates are not removable.

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Thank you so much for paying attention to how these backing plates are permanent and so gives the owner no option to just simply unbolt one maker/style and then use another maker/style that interchanges with it.

I have already done many hours of searching through Google, Yahoo, MSN etc etc so many different ways but yet not finding anything that comes close to what is needed.

Well if ya happen to find anything, pleased send us a message and thanks again

Why don't those Hays parts fit? They
look right to me. The only question is
how wide are yours as they come in 2
widths.

Just load the weight forward so there is hitch wt it will pull fine must have been long poles or didnt have them over center for hitch wt.

If you are going to replace all the
brake parts, and the hubs and drums you
will likely be able to buy new axles
from Redneck for near the same price. I
would buy them for you under my account
to get you a discount. I can also
sometime get Rockwell axles a bit
cheaper.

(quoted from post at 17:55:58 10/25/15) Why don't those Hays parts fit? They
look right to me. The only question is
how wide are yours as they come in 2
widths.

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It's very difficult to know for certain if they would adapt to our set up... if you look at our pictures you will see that our set up has a permanent backing plate meaning it is not unboltable.

It's very easy in comparison for those who own a trailer which has axles with a backing plate that just takes 4 bolts to remove it and then go buy an aftermarket kit which easily adapts. We have to find brake shoes, , springs, electromagnet and other parts which will specifically work in accordance to the backing plates on our axles.

(quoted from post at 20:37:09 10/25/15) His backing plates are not removable.

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Mine weren't either. I torched the old ones off, and welded the new ones on.

The brake drum diameter will be 10.000 inches. The 10.040 is the maximum diameter if the drums are re-machined.

(quoted from post at 18:00:51 10/25/15) If you are going to replace all the
brake parts, and the hubs and drums you
will likely be able to buy new axles
from Redneck for near the same price. I
would buy them for you under my account
to get you a discount. I can also
sometime get Rockwell axles a bit
cheaper.

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We appreciate the help but we do our best to stick to what was made back in the good ol' days and would be a waste of money to buy new axles especially considering that we already have money invested into these 2 axles. Although we only paid 100.00 for the 2 axles and 5 rims to go with them, we want to finish the project with the parts we started with

I can appreciate that you want to use what you have but I think you will find that you may end up spending $75 - $100 per wheel just to replace the brake parts. If you find you need to replace the drums it will be even more. That is the point Jon was making. Sometimes it is cheaper to replace the entire assembly that to repair what you have.

(quoted from post at 18:21:33 10/25/15) I can appreciate that you want to use what you have but I think you will find that you may end up spending $75 - $100 per wheel just to replace the brake parts. If you find you need to replace the drums it will be even more. That is the point Jon was making. Sometimes it is cheaper to replace the entire assembly that to repair what you have.

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Thanks but we already understood where he was coming from but if we already have 100 dollars into the parts we already have, it wouldn't make sense to put the amount of money into new axles... we already have 2 axles and 5 rims which just need brake parts. If we buy new axles, we have to consider that not only do we have the cost of the new axles but now also have to buy 4 new rims to match the new axles bolt configuration.

Ok, I'll try one more time. Here are
the 2 different parts break downs for 1
1/2 and 2 1/4" brakes for Hays brakes.
You can order these through Redneck
trailer. They are the parts you need.
As far as new axles go, you can order
them with about any bolt pattern you
want. Yours look like the standard 5 on
4 1/2 tho so most any commercial axle
hubs will fit. If yours are something
other than 5 on 4 1/2 you just need to
know what they are and Dexter will
match them for you at no extra cost.

Call Mouser Steel Supply at (573) 866-2979. That is my old company I sold in 1997. Dexter or Kelsey Hayes may also fit that backing plate. My old parts book still shows Fayette linings and magnets but no complete assemblies. May not ne a lot more costly to buy the axel assembly. We sold a lot of replacement axle tubes as they get bent on curbs and broken pavement. We straightened some with limited success. You should not need drop axles

I know you want to make the parts you have work, but be real! Not only work to get those brakes working again and get the springs mounted, it will be lots of time and $$. Don't know what size tire goes on that hub but with a 10 in brake, is it 14.5? I got 6k dexter axles and I think it has 12 in brakes. With 4k load and 2.5k trailer weight, those are nice to feel holding back the truck and trailer. Also, some states I believe, ban the use of mobile home tires for other uses. I understand 14.5 tires rated for non mobile home use are getting hard to get. When or if I have to replace the tires, I will look for new axles that take 8 lug 3/4 ton type wheels. Also will go for torsion rubber instead of springs. Or I may look for a new trailer. See where I am going with this? You will probably be happier with a good used trailer that is built for what you want to do. In long run it can be less expensive. I know you are in this as a project but trailers are not that expensive, even new off the dealer's lot. Have 20 or 22 ft of deck. I got 18 and many times would have liked 2 more ft. Not what you want to hear but HTH

(quoted from post at 18:35:53 10/25/15) Ok, I'll try one more time. Here are
the 2 different parts break downs for 1
1/2 and 2 1/4" brakes for Hays brakes.
You can order these through Redneck
trailer. They are the parts you need.
As far as new axles go, you can order
them with about any bolt pattern you
want. Yours look like the standard 5 on
4 1/2 tho so most any commercial axle
hubs will fit. If yours are something
other than 5 on 4 1/2 you just need to
know what they are and Dexter will
match them for you at no extra cost.

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We genuinely appreciate you trying to help but sorry but we can't even see what's in the pictures clear enough... we tried enlarging the image but it just got pixley. Would need the actual web address or a link to click on in order to see the full size parts and reasonably compare the parts with what will work on ours.

Just Google Redneck trailer parts,
click on the e-catalog, then click
brake assy's, the either 10x1 1/2 or
10x2 1/4 which ever you have.
Brake link

www.redneck-trailer.com

Good luck.

(quoted from post at 18:49:28 10/25/15) I know you want to make the parts you have work, but be real! Not only work to get those brakes working again and get the springs mounted, it will be lots of time and $$. Don't know what size tire goes on that hub but with a 10 in brake, is it 14.5? I got 6k dexter axles and I think it has 12 in brakes. With 4k load and 2.5k trailer weight, those are nice to feel holding back the truck and trailer. Also, some states I believe, ban the use of mobile home tires for other uses. I understand 14.5 tires rated for non mobile home use are getting hard to get. When or if I have to replace the tires, I will look for new axles that take 8 lug 3/4 ton type wheels. Also will go for torsion rubber instead of springs. Or I may look for a new trailer. See where I am going with this? You will probably be happier with a good used trailer that is built for what you want to do. In long run it can be less expensive. I know you are in this as a project but trailers are not that expensive, even new off the dealer's lot. Have 20 or 22 ft of deck. I got 18 and many times would have liked 2 more ft. Not what you want to hear but HTH

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In all seriousness, most everything new is expensive when you and your wife are on social security disability and simply can't afford the money it takes to outright buy one complete axle assembly not to mention 2 of them plus rims and tires.

We get one check per month and we have to provide for our household for the entire month on that and so aside from other reasons which we provided as to why we only want help with finding parts for the current axles we have, we can only afford to buy a few parts at a time and therefor is also why it will only work for us to buy the parts than to buy 2 new axles. ..We can have both of these axles on our trailer and use it even without the brakes installed. We already hauled a Ford 9n on it and also hauled 6 20foot long telephone poles and our truck had no problem with braking. However we would feel more safer if we had the electric brakes installed and can do so one trailer axle at a time whereby cutting the costs per month by only buying the parts needed for one axle at a time.

(quoted from post at 18:38:00 10/25/15) Call Mouser Steel Supply at (573) 866-2979. That is my old company I sold in 1997. Dexter or Kelsey Hayes may also fit that backing plate. My old parts book still shows Fayette linings and magnets but no complete assemblies. May not ne a lot more costly to buy the axel assembly. We sold a lot of replacement axle tubes as they get bent on curbs and broken pavement. We straightened some with limited success. You should not need drop axles

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Sounds great Moonlite! Will definitely give them a call first thing tomorrow morning thanks for the information

(quoted from post at 18:38:00 10/25/15) Call Mouser Steel Supply at (573) 866-2979. That is my old company I sold in 1997. Dexter or Kelsey Hayes may also fit that backing plate. My old parts book still shows Fayette linings and magnets but no complete assemblies. May not ne a lot more costly to buy the axel assembly. We sold a lot of replacement axle tubes as they get bent on curbs and broken pavement. We straightened some with limited success. You should not need drop axles

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Thanks again moonlite.... we just got off of the phone with Mouser Steel and their customer service was VERY experienced and helpful in knowing what type of axle and brake parts we had and what parts they had that would fit properly.

We called redneck trailer and although they were very polite and trying to help us, they weren't experienced much in letting us know if what they had available would be what we needed to fit our axles. Their customer service told us we would pretty much have to just roll the dice on ordering a part and then after it gets shipped here see if it actually works on our axles and if it doesn't work we would have to pay the shipping to return it, and so mouser steel's workers have more experience with older axles and what newer parts will fit them.

I know about lack of $$. Just on CL in Syr. Two axle tlr used to haul skid steer $1200. Another, 16 ft, 2 axle landscaper, bolt on wheels, $1400. Just hook and go. Also, often the price for complete axles, hub to hub can be less than buying parts individually. Email me if you want. Just trying to save $$ and work in long run. In fact I have 2 axles with 12 in brakes, need new shoes, that I will sell for 20 each with wheels and tires. One has an air compressor sitting on it, have to move that soon.

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(quoted from post at 18:38:00 10/25/15) Call Mouser Steel Supply at (573) 866-2979. That is my old company I sold in 1997. Dexter or Kelsey Hayes may also fit that backing plate. My old parts book still shows Fayette linings and magnets but no complete assemblies. May not ne a lot more costly to buy the axel assembly. We sold a lot of replacement axle tubes as they get bent on curbs and broken pavement. We straightened some with limited success. You should not need drop axles

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Thanks again moonlite.... we just got off of the phone with Mouser Steel and their customer service was VERY experienced and helpful in knowing what type of axle and brake parts we had and what parts they had that would fit properly.

We called redneck trailer and although they were very polite and trying to help us, they weren't experienced much in letting us know if what they had available would be what we needed to fit our axles. Their customer service told us we would pretty much have to just roll the dice on ordering a part and then after it gets shipped here see if it actually works on our axles and if it doesn't work we would have to pay the shipping to return it, and so mouser steel's workers have more experience with older axles and what newer parts will fit them.

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Any chance there were some part number or some reference? I have the same axles and am having the same problem finding parts.

do you know where i can get one of these hubs