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I have got Windows 8 and I hate it but I do not like what I am hearing about Win 10 sharing all your information if your not real careful with the settings. They default to allow all your devises to "clone" with your PC. This also allows too easy of access for others it seems. Google what they are meaning I am explain it badly I know. So I am going to wait awhile before switching. I think I have some time. IF not I will keep using the CRAPPY Win 8 for now.
todd hamilton
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My hp pos computer dumped the hard drive last
Monday have spent all week fooling with it.
Microsoft has now discontinued downloads of win7
os that people have already paid license fees for.
Really ticked me off I finally took a USB hard drive
dock and was able to copy my original c drive onto
the new disk. Had to fix the boot manager file but I
got our computer back to original state without
paying hp $30 for recovery disks that probably
wouldn't work anyway. The entire industry is just a
big scam!
Monday have spent all week fooling with it.
Microsoft has now discontinued downloads of win7
os that people have already paid license fees for.
Really ticked me off I finally took a USB hard drive
dock and was able to copy my original c drive onto
the new disk. Had to fix the boot manager file but I
got our computer back to original state without
paying hp $30 for recovery disks that probably
wouldn't work anyway. The entire industry is just a
big scam!
Window 10 has many privacy issues. Some of them are part of the effort to make your net experience personalized. So many things you may not want public are given over to Microsoft's networks. This includes your emails and much more. Here is a direct quote from the user agreement outlining Microsoft's policy. It is real lawyer friendly, basically telling you they will disclose any thing they want to IF they deme it in Microsoft's best interest.
"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services."
This statement alone makes me not want anything to do with Microsoft again!!!!!!!
So please read the attached article and research Win 10 before blindly down loading it.
Article on how to protect yourself with Win 10
"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services."
This statement alone makes me not want anything to do with Microsoft again!!!!!!!
So please read the attached article and research Win 10 before blindly down loading it.
Article on how to protect yourself with Win 10
I've used Linux for years. You get the latest and greatest for free. Ubuntu is very user friendly although they do promote commercial software. Install Ubuntu (or any of about 20 others) with the KDE desktop and you look at it and think "This looks like WIN 7/8/10." MS has been 'stealing' from open source for years.
There's also BSD - been around since forever and any BSD or Linux user can tell you that Mac OSX is FreeBSD with their own icons.
I'm typing this on Linux (Debian 8 ) right now. There are a few apps and drivers that will not run on Linux but there are also a lot of good programs that will - Firefox for one. There is a free 'replacement' for MS Office that will open and edit most Word docs seamlessly. Or you can try a 'live CD/DVD' - it boots and runs the system so you can see what you think without installing anything.
If you have some space on your hard drive you can install it without removing Windoze.
There's also BSD - been around since forever and any BSD or Linux user can tell you that Mac OSX is FreeBSD with their own icons.
I'm typing this on Linux (Debian 8 ) right now. There are a few apps and drivers that will not run on Linux but there are also a lot of good programs that will - Firefox for one. There is a free 'replacement' for MS Office that will open and edit most Word docs seamlessly. Or you can try a 'live CD/DVD' - it boots and runs the system so you can see what you think without installing anything.
If you have some space on your hard drive you can install it without removing Windoze.
TGP
Member
I tried widows 10 and don't like it.
Personally don't need all the bells and whistles with 10
Was not impressed with windows 8.1 until I downloaded and installed "Classic Shell" software that changes windows 8 to more like my XP was, consequently much easier to use for me.
http://www.classicshell.net/
Tom
Personally don't need all the bells and whistles with 10
Was not impressed with windows 8.1 until I downloaded and installed "Classic Shell" software that changes windows 8 to more like my XP was, consequently much easier to use for me.
http://www.classicshell.net/
Tom
phil_n, I know the reply was general, but I'll answer my specific
I used Debian on my last desktop (2002), and was impressed. I've tried several Linux live CDs on this laptop. Two prior versions of Ubuntu got caught in an endless loop on load. I've tried Knoppix, and while it did load on this box, it wasn't doing well. I've had Puppy running on this, which worked "out of the box" better than any other, but it still had some issues with the WiFi card. I have a SSD loaded with basic Puppy for this box, and when I get a bit more "geek time" to get the spare (equally old) laptop keyboard replaced to cover my internet needs, I'll get the bugs worked out of Puppy on this one, then convert the spare. Firefox v2.0.0.20 is getting too old for much of the web, though Open Office (v2.4) works even better than MS office. FWIW, winduhs 8 on SWMBO's computer does not play well with OO v3.x.
Part of the problem with Linux is hardware drivers - all drivers are written for winduhs, while Linux does a reasonably great job of covering the most common, but struggles with the odd stuff. Newer equipment seems to be better supported. probably because there seems to be better standardization now.
For anyone with qualms about supporting Micro$oft and the legal barrel they are increasingly putting those who use there software over, by all means, give Linux a try.
I used Debian on my last desktop (2002), and was impressed. I've tried several Linux live CDs on this laptop. Two prior versions of Ubuntu got caught in an endless loop on load. I've tried Knoppix, and while it did load on this box, it wasn't doing well. I've had Puppy running on this, which worked "out of the box" better than any other, but it still had some issues with the WiFi card. I have a SSD loaded with basic Puppy for this box, and when I get a bit more "geek time" to get the spare (equally old) laptop keyboard replaced to cover my internet needs, I'll get the bugs worked out of Puppy on this one, then convert the spare. Firefox v2.0.0.20 is getting too old for much of the web, though Open Office (v2.4) works even better than MS office. FWIW, winduhs 8 on SWMBO's computer does not play well with OO v3.x.
Part of the problem with Linux is hardware drivers - all drivers are written for winduhs, while Linux does a reasonably great job of covering the most common, but struggles with the odd stuff. Newer equipment seems to be better supported. probably because there seems to be better standardization now.
For anyone with qualms about supporting Micro$oft and the legal barrel they are increasingly putting those who use there software over, by all means, give Linux a try.
in my nearly 59yrs ,, durn little surprises me ,, and dang little impresses me , when it coms to the modern bul--cit that these yuppies waste come up with ,,. but maybe that's just me ,,. I am so impressed with the performance of my 40 yr old baler and 60 yr old tractor ,,. and I can fix them myself when sumthing needs attention ,, , in the last 20 yrs I have had no fewer than 10 computers and laptops ,, in the last 15 yrs I have had at least a dozen phones too ,,. none of that ,,junk holds up ,,. it simplyfails on its own ,,. the phone people call me by my 1st name when they see me , I am there that often ,. but I wont cut them any slack ,, told one one day ,, if I had a dollar for every dropt call , I would never have to pay a bill ...
MarkB_MI
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I have not installed Windows on my home PC since 1991. That would have been version 3.0. In 1992, I installed OS/2 2.0 and used it for several years. OS/2 was head-and-shoulders above everything else available for the PC at that time; Windows wasn't even an operating system then, while Linux and BSD were still in their infancies. Unfortunately OS/2 was a victim of the breakup of the Microsoft/IBM partnership, and never got a decent foothold.
In 1997, I made the switch to Red Hat Linux and haven't looked back. It was a little rough back then, but it was rock-solid at a time when you had to reboot Windows several times a day. Linux has come a long time since then, and there are very few reasons these days to use Windows. Right now I'm running Fedora 20 and I'm about to upgrade to Fedora 22. Ubuntu (and its derivative Mint) are good choices as well.
In 1997, I made the switch to Red Hat Linux and haven't looked back. It was a little rough back then, but it was rock-solid at a time when you had to reboot Windows several times a day. Linux has come a long time since then, and there are very few reasons these days to use Windows. Right now I'm running Fedora 20 and I'm about to upgrade to Fedora 22. Ubuntu (and its derivative Mint) are good choices as well.
MarkB_MI
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>Install Ubuntu (or any of about 20 others) with the KDE desktop and you look at it and think "This looks like WIN 7/8/10." MS has been 'stealing' from open source for years.
Phil, in all fairness to Microsoft, the "Windows look and feel" did in fact come out of Microsoft. The Linux desktops copied Windows, not the other way around. This started back in the late nineties, when fvwm (the default Linux window manager) came out with a "Windows 95" version that copied the Start menu and a few other Windows features. KDE and GNOME didn't come until a couple of years after Windows 95 was released.
As for Microsoft "stealing" from open source, I don't think that's a particularly fair statement either. They certainly don't use any open source code, for the simple reason that doing so would force them to open their own code (per the GNU Public License). Interestingly, Microsoft has been a major contributor to the Linux kernel. (Not for altruistic reasons; they've had to contribute a lot of code to get Linux to play with their virtual machine hypervisor, Hyper-V.)
Microsoft is an evil company for sure, but they're not guilty of everything they're accused of.
Phil, in all fairness to Microsoft, the "Windows look and feel" did in fact come out of Microsoft. The Linux desktops copied Windows, not the other way around. This started back in the late nineties, when fvwm (the default Linux window manager) came out with a "Windows 95" version that copied the Start menu and a few other Windows features. KDE and GNOME didn't come until a couple of years after Windows 95 was released.
As for Microsoft "stealing" from open source, I don't think that's a particularly fair statement either. They certainly don't use any open source code, for the simple reason that doing so would force them to open their own code (per the GNU Public License). Interestingly, Microsoft has been a major contributor to the Linux kernel. (Not for altruistic reasons; they've had to contribute a lot of code to get Linux to play with their virtual machine hypervisor, Hyper-V.)
Microsoft is an evil company for sure, but they're not guilty of everything they're accused of.
UncleTom
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i have Ubuntu 14.04 on my laptop as a dual boot along side windows 7. Easy as pie to put on. I just burnt the iso file to a flash drive and it did everything for me. Now i tried to do it on one of my desktops (20 times) and it wont work. I get the desktop of ubuntu but nothing works. Im thinking bad download.I wish i could get it to work because i love linux.
jimg.allentown
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For the life of me, I cannot see any point to endlessly "upgrading" to the latest whiz-bang version of MS software or OS.
After all, why fix something that isn't broken? Like the XP interface. It works well, most people are familiar with it, and is reasonably efficient.
As I see it, XP was (at its last update) basically a finished product that worked well. There was really no reason to change until the new added content on about every web page overwhelmed IE8. So along comes Vista, Win 7, and 8. All of this could have been taken care of with an upgraded browser. BUT, it puts more money into MS coffers to do needless change after change.
Security issues will happen with ANY OS or any significant piece of software. There are evil people out there that will dedicate their lives to making others suffer. They will naturally attack where they can do the most damage. Seems that MS software fits in that category. If Apple was in the mainstream, they would be attacked similarly - and their security weaknesses would be exploited.
After all, why fix something that isn't broken? Like the XP interface. It works well, most people are familiar with it, and is reasonably efficient.
As I see it, XP was (at its last update) basically a finished product that worked well. There was really no reason to change until the new added content on about every web page overwhelmed IE8. So along comes Vista, Win 7, and 8. All of this could have been taken care of with an upgraded browser. BUT, it puts more money into MS coffers to do needless change after change.
Security issues will happen with ANY OS or any significant piece of software. There are evil people out there that will dedicate their lives to making others suffer. They will naturally attack where they can do the most damage. Seems that MS software fits in that category. If Apple was in the mainstream, they would be attacked similarly - and their security weaknesses would be exploited.
The development of the graphical user interface over the command line one is quite a history.
I understand what you are saying about Linux versions copying Microsoft - that is basically what Linux is all about, creating a free open version of Windows.....
But looking back to Sun computers, and the Gem operating system, and Apple's Lisa setup, and the early try at Windows - after all no one ever mentions Windows versions 1 or 2, the GUI universe doesn't start until Windows 3.1 does it?
Whole lot of sharing going on there, honestly or not......
Paul
I understand what you are saying about Linux versions copying Microsoft - that is basically what Linux is all about, creating a free open version of Windows.....
But looking back to Sun computers, and the Gem operating system, and Apple's Lisa setup, and the early try at Windows - after all no one ever mentions Windows versions 1 or 2, the GUI universe doesn't start until Windows 3.1 does it?
Whole lot of sharing going on there, honestly or not......
Paul
MarkB_MI
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>WordPerfect then Word. Lotus 123 then Excel. CP/M then MSDOS. Netscape then IE. No, MS doesn't steal other peoples ideas.
None of those applications are or were open source. Your original statement was that Microsoft "steals" from open source. And imitation is not theft, as SCOTUS determined in Lotus v. Borland.
None of those applications are or were open source. Your original statement was that Microsoft "steals" from open source. And imitation is not theft, as SCOTUS determined in Lotus v. Borland.
unfortunately by staying so far behind the times fewer and fewer things will work for you.
There are a lot of modern features that websites are using more and more of that won't work on older browsers.
Not upgrading only hurts you, not the web sites.
The site I own will simply not work for anybody pre IE 8. That allows all the upgraded users to have vastly improved tools and functionality.
Might sound cold, but there's no way to justify giving up all that extra functionality just for the sake of a few users who either can't or won't upgrade. It's just basic business - you've gotta serve the majority, not the minority.
There just aren't enough of them to make it worth writing custom old-style code just so they can join us.
There are a lot of modern features that websites are using more and more of that won't work on older browsers.
Not upgrading only hurts you, not the web sites.
The site I own will simply not work for anybody pre IE 8. That allows all the upgraded users to have vastly improved tools and functionality.
Might sound cold, but there's no way to justify giving up all that extra functionality just for the sake of a few users who either can't or won't upgrade. It's just basic business - you've gotta serve the majority, not the minority.
There just aren't enough of them to make it worth writing custom old-style code just so they can join us.
jimg.allentown
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I haven't really stayed so far behind. I moved up to Windows 7 for the newer browser. Since IE8 did not support a lot of new "features," I tried out FireFox. Did not like it, but it was an interim step. The only thing that is allowing all of these new "features" is cheap bandwidth. Seems that they keep adding in all of these tasks that absolutely chew up bandwidth. Are these things really necessary? Am I REALLY missing out on so much? I think not. I do NOT need to be targeted for more and more advertising. I also do not need some "internet big brother" watching everything I do on the internet - and then trying to sell me something I do not need or want. I also do not need long running Java scripts eating up my system resources while they mine my hard drive for data - again to sell me something I do not need or want.
Of the things that I do on the internet, here is a partial list:
Netflix. I stream video as an alternative to pay tv.
I do online banking.
I pay most of my bills on line.
I visit and participate in several forums.
I locate and buy hard to find items (that I need) on eBay.
Past that, I can't see what else I need or want from a computer. I also store my digital photos, email, and the like on my system. I also expect my computer to be functional without being connected to the internet.
My entire point was that I see little point in change just for the sake of change. Improvement is always welcome. Useless change for the purpose of generating revenue for a software publisher is not.
Of the things that I do on the internet, here is a partial list:
Netflix. I stream video as an alternative to pay tv.
I do online banking.
I pay most of my bills on line.
I visit and participate in several forums.
I locate and buy hard to find items (that I need) on eBay.
Past that, I can't see what else I need or want from a computer. I also store my digital photos, email, and the like on my system. I also expect my computer to be functional without being connected to the internet.
My entire point was that I see little point in change just for the sake of change. Improvement is always welcome. Useless change for the purpose of generating revenue for a software publisher is not.
OR with the constant industry rush to 'upgrade' (more bells & whistles or 'bling'). It used to be that Apple was pretty much immune to this crap - but no more - when I was forced by access issues to upgrade I ended up with OS10.10.4 (cleverly referred to as 'Yosemite'.......?) It's a lot of junk that I have NO use for, but, not bad enough to make the switch back to Windows!
Like so much else these days it's all about the MONEY!
Married2Allis
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I don't think Microsoft will kick people off of Windows 7 for quite sometime yet. Windows XP was around for over 12 years, Windows 7 is scheduled to get security updates into 2020. There are still alot of major businesses and gov't agencies running it. Since version 8 was a bit of a flop it may even survive longer.
They call it "public beta testing" now with the release of new software.
Win8 is rock solid for me, and I have no reason to change. I don't use start menu's, only use 3-6 programs which are pinned to the bar. Anything else I tap the windows key and start typing, and it finds it. First time in a while I haven't felt the need to update.
Win8 is rock solid for me, and I have no reason to change. I don't use start menu's, only use 3-6 programs which are pinned to the bar. Anything else I tap the windows key and start typing, and it finds it. First time in a while I haven't felt the need to update.
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