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dr sportster
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I saw one on the turnpike " If you don;'t like logging try wiping with sheet metal"
What is so sad/ funny about that, is animal agriculture takes fiber products us humans can't use, and turns it into a very dense food we can use that ships easier, and is available year around. Making it possible for animal agriculture to be far more efficient than veggie farming especially. There is so much of the plants in veggie farming that aren't used, or go to waste before they can get to market, and the produce is seasonal so you are looking at importing food from a distance most of the year.
But none of that is important to people like that, they have their mind made up and if you chat with them they know it all because they read it on the Internet.
(Now I'm not trying to pit farmers against each other, I like my veggies and appreciate the job our veggie farmers do too!)
Paul
But none of that is important to people like that, they have their mind made up and if you chat with them they know it all because they read it on the Internet.
(Now I'm not trying to pit farmers against each other, I like my veggies and appreciate the job our veggie farmers do too!)
Paul
notjustair
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I'll guarantee that ALL of the animals on my farm have a better life with less wants and unmet needs than that tree hugger. Every animal has its vaccinations when needed and I check them to make sure they are all healthy. I have to - they are my livelihood. When the freezer is empty I don't go out and remove just a leg making a pig or steer suffer. They are killed humanely. At that point they are dead. They don't care what you do with them, just like I don't care what happens to me when I am dead. You all can barbecue me if you want, but I'm kinda skinny and chewy.
Bob Harvey
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Truth be known Volcanoes are the # 1 culprit. Humans have contributed for sure, and efforts are being made, BUT, the eruption in Iceland a while ago negated all human effort to reduce emissions. How many eruptions since then worldwide? Climate change is inevitable and there ain't squat we can do about it.
CenTex Farmall
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Those people don't understand that vast swathes of the US are totally unsuited for any kind of crop growing but can yield high protein food via grazing animals.
Traditional Farmer
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Actually the Sun is the #1 cause of Global Warming and its a good thing too since we'd all instantly freeze to death if it were to disappear.
rustyfarmall
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Actually, it is politicians who are the number #1 cause of global warming.
rustyfarmall
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Agreed!! If the EPA were trimmed back, or even better eliminated altogether, the only folks who would lose their jobs would be those who work for the EPA.
GeneMO
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I think the whole climate change thing is bunk. But look at all the heat that is reflected back into the atmosphere from concrete, asphault, glass and steel buildings, and roof tops. So cities themselves are a huge part of the problem.
Go lay a thermometer down on grass, then lay it down on some pavement nearby and look at the difference.
There are fishkills in streams near big parking lots. A cloudburst comes along and rains on a superheated parking lot, the water runs off into a nearby stream and can easily raise the temp of the stream so fast that it kills aquatic life in the stream.
Look at the huge square footage of a typical Walmart roof. Think how much heat that reflects back.
Farmland and grassland, along with forests are acting just like it did eons ago, but not cities.
I say ban all roads and cities.
NO, No, that wont work, we dont want all those idiots out of the cities to come out into the country.
Gene
Go lay a thermometer down on grass, then lay it down on some pavement nearby and look at the difference.
There are fishkills in streams near big parking lots. A cloudburst comes along and rains on a superheated parking lot, the water runs off into a nearby stream and can easily raise the temp of the stream so fast that it kills aquatic life in the stream.
Look at the huge square footage of a typical Walmart roof. Think how much heat that reflects back.
Farmland and grassland, along with forests are acting just like it did eons ago, but not cities.
I say ban all roads and cities.
NO, No, that wont work, we dont want all those idiots out of the cities to come out into the country.
Gene
rvirgil_KS
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Jobs or "positions"
CenTex Farmall
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Bacon works for me!
huntingreen2day2
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I been saying the same thing for years.
fixerupper
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Paul you are so right. Veggies are too perishable to be considered a sustainable source of protein. Corn and soybeans are not nearly as perishable as veggies and can be stored for future use to feed animals that provide us with an endless flow of protein. There is no way our globe can grow enough veggies to sustain our population. Oriental countries are closer to being vegan but they still get protein from fish and other animals we Americans won't touch. Meat is a necessity to sustain the human race. We can't deny it. Those who deny that fact have their heads in the sand, refusing to look at the whole picture of how our planet is fed.
MarkB_MI
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So, Jeff, exactly what is it you disagree with?
That livestock produce greenhouse gases is not debatable, as anyone who has ever driven past a feedlot can attest. But most likely the point of the bumper sticker is that livestock production is an inefficient way to produce food protein, since it takes much more energy to produce a pound of meat than a pound of grain. The indirect impact of meat production on greenhouse gas production is huge, since the energy used to produce meat creates a lot of CO2.
Now I would take issue with the point that livestock production is the GREATEST producer of greenhouse gases, and maybe that's your point as well. But to take that position you pretty much have to admit that there are other man-made causes of global warming (e.g. automobiles and power plants) that are more serious. Is that your point?
That livestock produce greenhouse gases is not debatable, as anyone who has ever driven past a feedlot can attest. But most likely the point of the bumper sticker is that livestock production is an inefficient way to produce food protein, since it takes much more energy to produce a pound of meat than a pound of grain. The indirect impact of meat production on greenhouse gas production is huge, since the energy used to produce meat creates a lot of CO2.
Now I would take issue with the point that livestock production is the GREATEST producer of greenhouse gases, and maybe that's your point as well. But to take that position you pretty much have to admit that there are other man-made causes of global warming (e.g. automobiles and power plants) that are more serious. Is that your point?
MarkB_MI
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> Meat is a necessity to sustain the human race. We can't deny it.
One BILLION Hindus prove your statement wrong every day.
One BILLION Hindus prove your statement wrong every day.
Married2Allis
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Except that there is strong evidence meat made humans brains bigger and that made us smarter. Looks like the Hindu nations aren't cutting it as far as developed countries and they're pretty much dominated by the meat eating nations. Score meat eaters:1, vegans:0.
fixerupper
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If the rest of the world lived like Hindus the agricultural community would not be able to keep the food supply up. We would not be able to grow and distribute world wide a food product that is inedible within days or weeks of being harvested.
MarkB_MI
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>Except that there is strong evidence meat made humans brains bigger and that made us smarter. Looks like the Hindu nations aren't cutting it as far as developed countries and they're pretty much dominated by the meat eating nations.
Your theory isn't supported by the presence of Hindus in the US labor force; they've been taking jobs from meat-eating Americans for the past several decades, and most of those jobs are in fields that require a lot of intellect. Hindus are over-represented in medicine, engineering and science. Curiously though, you won't find very many Hindu septic tank pumpers or garbage collectors; those fields are almost exclusively the domain of carnivores.
Your theory isn't supported by the presence of Hindus in the US labor force; they've been taking jobs from meat-eating Americans for the past several decades, and most of those jobs are in fields that require a lot of intellect. Hindus are over-represented in medicine, engineering and science. Curiously though, you won't find very many Hindu septic tank pumpers or garbage collectors; those fields are almost exclusively the domain of carnivores.
MarkB_MI
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>If the rest of the world lived like Hindus the agricultural community would not be able to keep the food supply up. We would not be able to grow and distribute world wide a food product that is inedible within days or weeks of being harvested.
Quite the contrary is true: It's a very good thing the rest of the world doesn't follow the American agriculture model of growing grain to feed livestock; there isn't anywhere near enough arable land and fresh water to feed the earth's population that way.
By the way, few things are more perishable than meat.
Quite the contrary is true: It's a very good thing the rest of the world doesn't follow the American agriculture model of growing grain to feed livestock; there isn't anywhere near enough arable land and fresh water to feed the earth's population that way.
By the way, few things are more perishable than meat.
MarkB_MI
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>Mark, refine your Google search and straighten out your facts. Hindus do eat meat and it can be purchased on nearly any street in Dehli.
It's spelled "Delhi". Had you ever been to India, as I have, you might have known that.
Yes, not all Hindus are strict vegetarians, but based on the dozens I've met over the past 35 years, I'd say the majority are. So if it's "only" half a billion strict vegetarians, that still well outnumbers the total population of the US (even counting US vegetarians).
The availability of meat in Indian restaurants doesn't mean much, since there are a lot of non-Hindus in India. You can buy beer in Egypt, even though it's a predominantly nnalert country.
It's spelled "Delhi". Had you ever been to India, as I have, you might have known that.
Yes, not all Hindus are strict vegetarians, but based on the dozens I've met over the past 35 years, I'd say the majority are. So if it's "only" half a billion strict vegetarians, that still well outnumbers the total population of the US (even counting US vegetarians).
The availability of meat in Indian restaurants doesn't mean much, since there are a lot of non-Hindus in India. You can buy beer in Egypt, even though it's a predominantly nnalert country.
Yes, I have spent time in India and had no difficulty maintaining my carnivorous diet while I was there. The point is that their diet is supplemented by meat, so your statement was not accurate. Their are sects of Hinduism that are strict vegetarians just like there are in other religions.
Why do you insist jumping into these posts challenging people who obviously aren't interested in that type of discussion? Anyone can Google a topic and post like an expert with bogus stats and references, but most people just aren't that interested. This is a tractor forum frequented mostly by people with some link to agriculture and farming, so the OP is fitting and mostly understood here. Let it go man, there are plenty of other places for contentious personalities to engage and get their jollies.
Why do you insist jumping into these posts challenging people who obviously aren't interested in that type of discussion? Anyone can Google a topic and post like an expert with bogus stats and references, but most people just aren't that interested. This is a tractor forum frequented mostly by people with some link to agriculture and farming, so the OP is fitting and mostly understood here. Let it go man, there are plenty of other places for contentious personalities to engage and get their jollies.
fixerupper
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Mark, this subject brings up an interesting conversation and it leaves a lot of questions in my mind. If all expenses including labor, processing, refrigeration, transportation, handling, water usage, electricity use, diesel, gasoline, trucks, trains, ships, etc are considered would the present day meat based food infrastructure we enjoy be considered more efficient, or would a plant based (vegetable) food infrastructure be more efficient. Which one would be easier on the housewife's budget? I don't know the answer.
A very large percentage of this world's prime land can grow food crops for only a few months out of the year. I have no solid facts, but I suspect old established vegetarian religious cults/groups that have been with us for hundreds of years live in warm areas of the world that support plant growth year round. Our own native Americans from most of North America could not survive on vegetables and berries alone because of climate. Oh man, I'm rambling too much! LOL
A very large percentage of this world's prime land can grow food crops for only a few months out of the year. I have no solid facts, but I suspect old established vegetarian religious cults/groups that have been with us for hundreds of years live in warm areas of the world that support plant growth year round. Our own native Americans from most of North America could not survive on vegetables and berries alone because of climate. Oh man, I'm rambling too much! LOL
MarkB_MI
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Cooter, if folks don't like me poking holes in their more outlandish OT posts, they shouldn't be posting them in the first place.
Married2Allis
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And 75 years ago they were running around in burlap bags and sandals while we were developing fire control systems for battleships. Figure that one out.
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