Something that makes me see red!

gwstang

Well-known Member
Why do these "parents" buy their kids a four wheeler and they really have no where to ride. I mean, the parents maybe have 1/2 acre. I have a little over 71 acres and a new "crop" of four wheelers have decided this is the red hot spot going down to my pond. I have worked for years cleaning up and making some nice trails for our use over the years since my kids were very small. My youngest son (he was around 7-8 at the time, now he's 27) would get up about 6 AM and head down to the pond where the trail goes a couple of hundred yards through the woods to my 2 1/2 acre pond down in the woods. My property is marked and anyone that comes on here can see the house/barn/vehicles from the county road about 150 yards away. The red head was walking her dogs (small) and some kids came blasting out right where she was at. She stopped them and asked them what they were doing out here and they were fishing at the pond and leaving at dark. They were respectful to her and she explained that this is ours and has been ours for over 30 years and we have worked hard for what we have and it is for our use. They left and said they would not do it again (they also said there were more people that had been down there earlier). We'll see. Yes, I have no trespassing signs up and they have to come pretty far off the road to get out here. All land in Alabama is posted by law and no signs needed, but I do have them anyway. Every few years a new crop comes up...she is afraid they will run over one of our dogs/cats accidentally. Next time, I will block their four wheeler with my tractor and their daddy can come and talk to me and get it back. :shock: Don't want to get ugly, just get them to respect what someone else has and has worked for all my life. Too much liability to let them do it.
 
Because the poor little babies might cry if they don't get everything they want,that's why.
Yes,take the 4 wheeler and make the parent come and get it. They'll be spitting and drooling mad and making threats,but have your phone in your hand and be ready to call the cops,then follow through.

I had this conversation with my adult offspring just the other day,about all the "I want" when they were kids. My daughter is 42 and all I ever heard was "I want a horse". I asked her why she still didn't have one? She has the money and the land. Her response,"I don't want one of those ^&*(* things!
 
Here in Mn. there is no liability issue for your situation. You have gone above and beyond by putting up the trespass signs. Yes they can sue you but there is not a judge in the state that wouldn't
throw the case out. You cannot however set a "trap" to keep them out. Such as tip a log across the trail or dig a trench.
 
Do you have any thorny locust tree on your place?? If you do they make good things to lay on the ground where they will ride over them and well tires are not cheap and those thorns make short work of the tires
 
I'd put five strands of barbed wire around the place and hook it up to a STAYFIX fence charger. They get bit by that thing once, they won't come back.
 
It seems to run in 3 to 5 year cycles, snowmobiles and ATVs. One group outgrows them and a younger group gets new ones. I have frontage on two roads. I put NO TRESSPASSING signs up once. They drove right over them within days.
 
I just cut the limbs off and drop them on the ground. Missouri Conservation say they do that on conservation land to stop 4 wheelers and a conservation agent told me to do that to stop 4 wheelers on my place
 
How many thousands of them do you want??? Here they are a dime a dozen and that is on a bad day LOL
 
In reading the replys I notice that a couple of sneaky curs advocate laying spiked logs on the trail, kids don't have any sense and one of them
will flip their bike and kill themselves, I doubt you want to live with that. I would simply ask them who their parents are and then go see the
parents, tell them exactly what you wrote here and that you expect them to do their parental duty and keep their kids off your land. Period..
 

I hear what you are saying. I sure don't want anyone to get hurt. I think it's only a little bit the kids fault and a majority of the parents fault on these issues.
 

No locust trees down here. Lots of things that have thorns and bite... Well, it seems so when I drive by on the tractor...lol
 

Interesting you brought up the barb wire. I ran a few horses for a bunch of years for the riding pleasure of my family. When the kids got grown, we didn't ride much so I let them go to someone else. So, I did have 4 strand of barb wire around much of the pasture areas and that kept this from happening.
 
(quoted from post at 17:25:00 05/29/15) It seems to run in 3 to 5 year cycles, snowmobiles and ATVs. One group outgrows them and a younger group gets new ones. I have frontage on two roads. I put NO TRESSPASSING signs up once. They drove right over them within days.

Bingo!!! This is exactly what happens every 3-5 years a new crop comes up and starts driving etc. The first thing to go is the mail boxes up and down the road. They will knock them down/off. I kept putting mine back up so they finally just took the whole damn thing. Never did find it. I got my VA Dr. to write a letter so my box is now up here closer to the house. No more problems for me anyway. Being rural, the mail person has to drive all the way up my long drive for this. I hate it. :lol: If the dang postal service would get off their arse and investigate this after all the complaining the whole area did about the boxes....they do have "Inspectors" don't they? Dang kids just don't have any "work" to do. My kids stayed busy working around the farm/earning money cutting yards/waiting tables for a couple of restaurants etc. Yes, they were tired...too tired to go out and get in trouble. I would help my kids anytime anywhere...but I also let them know that if they got in trouble with the law for doing "stupid" things....I would not help and they would sit in jail overnight for sure. :shock:
 
(quoted from post at 16:23:46 05/29/15) Because the poor little babies might cry if they don't get everything they want,that's why.
[b:c6c0fc3c56]Yes,take the 4 wheeler and make the parent come and get it. They'll be spitting and drooling mad and making threats,but have your phone in your hand and be ready to call the cops,then follow through.[/b:c6c0fc3c56]!

I envision this is about what will happen, with some of the parents around here. I do like having castle doctrine here in Alabama though. We have a perfect right to defend our self/property. I don't mind them coming and getting the four wheeler, I just want them to know what their "precious" kid is doing. Most won't have a problem but some might.
 
Had some youth goose hunters one year, asked to hunt neighbors wheat field. Went up to the line fence to pick apples on the tree on our side. They were all sitting in OUR hay field. We caught them earlier in our field when doing a drive by to check the apples, and told them about it.

When we returned they were still there, we yelled them out. Soon the man out there with them came over and had a shouting match with my pa. When my dad said we gave them a chance to move their set up, we could of just took pictures and called the cops; he changed his story and started apologizing real quick.

We let them finish the day where they were, they were set up and what not already anyway. It just bugged us that they didn't stop and ask on the yard. We would have let them no questions asked if they would have asked first.

Not much of problem with trespassers here other than a few once and awhile (mostly hunters, that think they can hunt anywhere no questions). I only wish we had a way to stop the junk dumping in the woods off the back road.
 
At one time in my area there were sign thieves. Hit several places. They actually cut the 4x4's that held the sign for our greenhouse and took the main sign with them. We called the town if they did per town order (sign was grandfathered in), they told us call cops and file complaint. We did, told them (county cop) that we really didn't care (it was just a painted piece of plywood) only did it so they would have it on record as evidence if they found it on someone's yard. This is also how we found out about the others in the area.
 
I had a truck pull in to the yard a couple of Falls ago, young kid hops out, maybe ten years old, asks if he and his dad can come hunt geese in season. I said sure, kill 'em all. They were there opening day, nice set of decoys and blinds, shot it up good. He stops to thank me that afternoon, is it okay to bring his cousin? Heck yes. Next day, same thing. Ask if we want a goose for the freezer- no chance the War Department is gonna cook that up, so no thanks. He stops by the next Spring with Dad and a mess of salmon caught off Lake Michigan- cleaned and cut up in bags- thanks for letting us hunt! They are welcome any time, shoot anything that does not moo. Whenever you get exposed to a below average group, another comes in reaffirms your faith in some parents.
 
I had a neighbor in a house that sat on 2.5 acres right in the middle of our place. He had mowed an extra half acre on the east side of his place for use by the septic trucks to get in to pump his tank. Then he started mowing back into the farm. He had a full 500 feet mowed back into the center between two fields. I did not find out about it for 6 months. Kids used it for motorcycles and he had a deer stand back there.
 

Oh yes, we have had the "hunters" problem over the years. When we first bought this place many years go there would be hunters all up and down the road (part of our property back then until later we gave the county 2.5 acres to pave the road and some others (absentee land owners), gave more so they paved all 1.5 miles. Incidentally, that is how far it is down there to my nearest neighbor so the kids are riding quite a distance to my place). They would be all back in the woods, bang bang bang. Dragging deer out of my pastures and scarring the crap out of my horses. I like to hunt deer but don't like having bullets whistling by and one even hit the house one day. It was a spent bullet and only embedded into the window frame somewhat. I have taken many deer from here and plant the green fields/feed them so I do not appreciate some coming from the city and some from here, that do not respect anyone Else "rights" to property and home. I have always been nice and reminded them to not hunt here and that I had already taken their picture and their vehicle pic and emailed them to my wife's acct. Won't do any good to kill me and dispose of the evidence. :cry: I have had a gun pointed in my direction and asked who was going to stop them. I just tell them the sheriff, who is an acquaintance of mine, and one of the deputy's, that live a short piece down the road and will come at a moments notice. Their call...as to how this will wind up. :shock:
 
(quoted from post at 19:32:52 05/29/15) I had a neighbor in a house that sat on 2.5 acres right in the middle of our place. He had mowed an extra half acre on the east side of his place for use by the septic trucks to get in to pump his tank. Then he started mowing back into the farm. He had a full 500 feet mowed back into the center between two fields. I did not find out about it for 6 months. Kids used it for motorcycles and he had a deer stand back there.

Oh yes! :evil: I've had the person on the far back of the property that went about 50 yards over the line and tore down my fences on the backside when they had their property completely clear cut. This was after an EF4 tornado hit me and wife/house/most of my property and tore it up pretty good. Knocked many of his trees down too so he had it logged off. I was in sort of bad shape and no way to get that far back in there and it was almost impassable at the time from so much timber down. It took me about two years to cut my way down to the back and then I discovered what was done by the loggers and the fence just about gone. Pieces of barbwire were still imbedded in the stumps along the line, though. I got the new Kubota so I would have 4 wheel drive/FEL to get across the creek on the backside (shallow) and repair this. I know he has been hunting back there for quite awhile. I certainly plan to throw a monkey wrench in his hunting on my property. Seems he likes my deer better as I am selective on what I kill and let them "grow up" a bit before taking them. I had some nice bucks and in that time, they have disappeared completely. Hopefully this will change. I could not get any loggers to cut on mine, they said it was just too twisted up and a huge mess to even get too. There are some deep ravines on the backside, so I couldn't really blame them even though we had had select pines cut about 15 years ago.
 
A couple of years ago, I caught a fellow who had actually taken a riding lawn mower and cut trails to ride a 4 wheeler in my timber.

Same fellow is seen driving down the road in his car with his 4 year old daughter sitting in his lap steering it.

Same fellow dumped a load of scrap metal across the property line onto my property and said it would only be there for a couple of weeks while he sorted it out. That was a couple of years ago.

Etc. etc. etc. I could go on for pages.

BTW, he's a Deputy Sheriff.

I see the Sheriff routinely at County Commissioner meetings. Actually, the Sheriff and I have been good friends for years. I hate to be a stool pigeon, but one of these days I'm going to get fed up with the Deputy and take a half hour unloading on the Sheriff about one of his deputies.
 
We have that problem around here although it's mostly people riding on roads or in ditches.
Some people up the road built new houses on 2 acre lots that were cut out of a field. Both have young kids. They're barely moved
in and one of them buys a "dirt bike" for his kid and the other one buys one of those "Mule" vehicles. No where to ride them
except on the county road.

Who goes and spends the kind of money for a Mule to make joy rides on a county road? Not a good idea considering the jokers that
live way at the end of the road come flying down same road at 60+ miles/hour in their souped up diesel pickup. Sooner or later
something bad could happen.

Less than a mile from here a guy on a 4 wheeler bought it when he hit a metal pipe fence. He came flying through a blind 90
degree corner and had moved into the bottom of the curve to maintain speed. Unfortunately the bottom of the curve happened to be
the oncoming lane based on his direction of travel. He swerved suddenly, lost it and wound up losing to the pipe fence.
 
(quoted from post at 17:44:32 05/29/15) I had that problem a few years ago with dirt bikes in my woods. I used a 2 X 6 with nails to stop the problem. Just bury it in some leaves
and a little brush. The kids will probably never figure it out. Ellis


Get caught doing that in MN and I would bet some other states and you get to visit with this real nice guy called a judge. Someone gets hurt on something like that or dies you get to visit the big house!
 

It's always the same story. Some family with no visible means of support other than a welfare check, living on a lot out here or some townie with more money than brains gets the kids the nastiest ATV/dirt bike/snowmobile money can buy and turns the kids loose to terrorize the area within a 5 or 10 mile radius. It never changes. I handled hundreds or complaints like that on the job and we just had the same issue here with the little darlings tearing up fields and running the roads at high speed night and day.

I have no use for parents that inflict their children on other people. I have even less use for adults and kids that think they're entitled to use the property I bought and paid for and am still paying for as though it's a motocross park. Same goes for the hunters and pot growers. No respect for anyone or anything, that's the problem.
 
Part of the county I live in made it legal to drive an ATV UTV down the road, have to follow the signs as most are the
back roads even past my place. I thought it would be bad but in the last a couple years that it has went on no
accidents and people have stayed off other peoples property.
ATV trails
 
I don't understand people today. When I was a kid. We always ask permission to go on someones land. Even after we had permission we still checked in
with the land owner. To let him know we were there.
 

[b:b6547fbb1a]pot growers[/b:b6547fbb1a]

Ah yes, a whole nutter story. About 15 years ago. an ATF agent shows up in my driveway in a big 4 wheel drive truck. He shows me his badge and ID and tells me about the pot field down below my land. Those people live about 90 miles away and are absentee landowners. Their property is about 2x mine. On the far backside of theirs (hard to get too) there was a nice pot field. He was staking it out and just letting us know he would be around and was setting up as if fishing in their pond which was close by the field. I never heard anything else about it. I assume they caught who ever was doing that or just destroyed the field. That area was hard to get into as there were some steep hills and rough territory to cross and no trails. I knew the father that originally had the property before he died and left it to the kids. He wanted me to hunt it just to keep others out of there. I took one look at the ATF agent and thought "fat boy, you are gonna have a he** of a time getting in and out of that area"...lol. This was a long time ago, now I would have difficulty getting in there.
 

One more thing about the 4 wheelers. Why must they always take the dang muffler off and make them so loud that it can be heard for a mile away. I mean they could not ever use one for hunting as all the game would haul butt to another county. They are very loud! I also cannot believe how fast those things can go now days. I never see a kid with a helmet on either. I feel sorry for the kids, but anger towards the idiot parents that don't understand that a kid will take risks just because they don't even realize how dangerous it really is. Things can go south really quickly.
 
In our neck of the woods this is nothing new. We have dealt with all sorts on our land. Hunters have been our worst problem. We have 70 acres of nice timber and have had to kick many people off our land. For some reason they feel if there is a plot of trees its their God given right to hunt without permission.

I also know a collector that is known for jumping fences and driving in fields to see a piece of equipment resting in the weeds. He is in his mid 30s like me. For that reason I will not associate with him. I always ask the person if it is for sale and can I look at it. If not than I leave. I have returned to places and have been given permission. Sometimes it takes people time to make up their mind.

Jim
 
Most folks in this area raised hogs at one time. We put up woven wire "hog wire" fence with two to three barbed wires on the top. Steel post with a hedge post every 5th or 6th one.

If you got good fences, and gates, you aint got problems. That old saying about good fences making good neighbors is true.

Nobody gets into my place.

But I am real rural, and my neighbors are all real farmers. My neighbors that border me all have hundreds to thousands of acres. Dont have many "city farmers" with 1 or 2 acres.

Gene
 
no booby traps, it's just dirt, don't hurt em.
young, talk to the parents
young adult or adults, have a talk with them.

Always be calm, absolutely firm.
no weapons.
look them in the eye, so they know........
word will get around, you'll be fine.

never.....start yelling, waving your arms around and saying you'll 'call the cops'
We are mostly old respectful people here, but think back to being a young and dumb person. Having some old codger say he was going to call the cops....meant zip...just showed HE wasn't gonna do nuthin.
 
(quoted from post at 11:26:48 05/30/15) no booby traps, it's just dirt, don't hurt em.
young, talk to the parents
young adult or adults, have a talk with them.

Always be calm, absolutely firm.
no weapons.
look them in the eye, so they know........
word will get around, you'll be fine.

never.....start yelling, waving your arms around and saying you'll 'call the cops'
We are mostly old respectful people here, but think back to being a young and dumb person. Having some old codger say he was going to call the cops....meant zip...just showed HE wasn't gonna do nuthin.

Good advice!
 

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