Roosa-Master DB2 Injection Pump problem

78kitty

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I have a Ford Powermaster 861-D I'm having fuel delivery problems with. I've had the tractor about 3 years now and I use it occasionally to grade gravel, plow a small garden, haul firewood around, give the kids rides, etc. It started and ran great when I got it, but did leak a little fuel from somewhere on the injection pump {never really looked into it b/c it wasn't much and didn't cause any problems}. The problem started with the tractor suddenly not re-starting after it'd been run and got up to operating temp and was shut off for a minute or more until it cooled all the way back down, then it would start fine again. I went through all kinds of tests / attempted fixes, new battery & cables, fuel filter, checking for clogged fuel line, reading it could need a head gasket, etc. It sat all winter and now it won't start at all. I'm now fairly sure this problem stems from the Roosa-Master {now Standyne} DB2 injection pump itself.

Most recently I tried to bleed the injection pump and there's NO fuel coming out at the lines going into the injectors. I removed the inlet hose at the pump and TONS of fuel streams out. I read a clogged return line {usually the 'elastacast' ring disintegrating and causing the clog} will stop these pumps and was very hopeful this was my problem. I turned the motor over with the return line disconnected & routed into a catch-can but still NO FUEL going to the injectors. Anyone experienced this or know what I might try next? If I have to I'll send it to a pump shop, but if it's something I can diagnose and / or fix myself that would of course be my preference.
 
it is db-2? to test for fuel restriction on the return line, you have to pull that fitting out--it has regulator spring & ball in it. this is where it will stop up from internal failure.
 
Going back to your original problem of it not starting after shutting down. You say it ran fine after you got it started again so that leaves out plugged return. You could take the timing cover off though just to be sure and check for tiny bits of plastic that would be coming from the elastocast ring. Not starting hot is usually one of two things. First is worn out rotor which is bad news, other is loose plug that seals delivery valve( delivery valve, not metering valve). It is in the end of the rotor and requires taking the transfer pump off the end to get to it . Normally on repairing a pump the delivery valve stop( which is the actual seal) is replaced with new and the nut it torqued to specs. Once it starts leaking it may not seal by just tightening the nut,(screw). Might want someone familiar with pumps to check that though. Normally if you take a pump into a diesel facility for repair they will not run a pre test as it can contaminate their system, soooooo, you might well not know if they cured a problem or not if they don't test it before tearing it down.
 
EXACTLY. Simply disconnecting the return line from the fitting/check valve doesn't prove a thing.
 
(quoted from post at 10:36:59 05/18/15) I have a Ford Powermaster 861-D I'm having fuel delivery problems with. I've had the tractor about 3 years now and I use it occasionally to grade gravel, plow a small garden, haul firewood around, give the kids rides, etc. It started and ran great when I got it, but did leak a little fuel from somewhere on the injection pump {never really looked into it b/c it wasn't much and didn't cause any problems}. [b:5176b95cc2]The problem started with the tractor suddenly not re-starting after it'd been run and got up to operating temp and was shut off for a minute or more until it cooled all the way back down, then it would start fine again.[/b:5176b95cc2] I went through all kinds of tests / attempted fixes, new battery & cables, fuel filter, checking for clogged fuel line, reading it could need a head gasket, etc. It sat all winter and now it won't start at all. I'm now fairly sure this problem stems from the Roosa-Master {now Standyne} DB2 injection pump itself.

Most recently I tried to bleed the injection pump and there's NO fuel coming out at the lines going into the injectors. I removed the inlet hose at the pump and TONS of fuel streams out. I read a clogged return line {usually the 'elastacast' ring disintegrating and causing the clog} will stop these pumps and was very hopeful this was my problem. I turned the motor over with the return line disconnected & routed into a catch-can but still NO FUEL going to the injectors. Anyone experienced this or know what I might try next? If I have to I'll send it to a pump shop, but if it's something I can diagnose and / or fix myself that would of course be my preference.
hat sounds to me a worn rotor.
I would take the timing cover of the pump and look if the timing mark turns around when you turn the engine over.
If it doesn't then the pump drive shaft is broken,.usually because the rotor seized in the head. A worn rotor and bore are often scored, a drop of water in there causes rust after sitting a couple months he rotor is seized and the next start might just break the shaft.
 
(quoted from post at 14:40:10 05/18/15) EXACTLY. Simply disconnecting the return line from the fitting/check valve doesn't prove a thing.

I believe the check valve on this tractor is upstream and mounted to the engine block. I went ahead and removed the fitting from the pump and it was clear and did not contain any type of spring or ball. I took some pictures, but I don't believe I can attach pictures to my posts on this forum.

(quoted from post at 15:34:32 05/18/15) That sounds to me a worn rotor. I would take the timing cover of the pump and look if the timing mark turns around when you turn the engine over.
If it doesn't then the pump drive shaft is broken,.usually because the rotor seized in the head. A worn rotor and bore are often scored, a drop of water in there causes rust after sitting a couple months he rotor is seized and the next start might just break the shaft.

I removed the timing cover this afternoon and turned the motor over. The timing mark on the bottom of the pump does in fact turn & some fuel came out of the window as the engine cranked.
 
Delivery valve stuck maybe?(you need to take the top of the pump off to check that).
Other possibility is that the barrel screen on the fuel supply line fitting at the pump is clogged.
thirdly, if you have an electric shut off solenoid on the pump maybe it ain't getting power when you turn the key on.
fourth, make sure the return line to the tank is open.
 
(quoted from post at 00:53:05 05/20/15) Delivery valve stuck maybe?(you need to take the top of the pump off to check that).
Other possibility is that the barrel screen on the fuel supply line fitting at the pump is clogged.
thirdly, if you have an electric shut off solenoid on the pump maybe it ain't getting power when you turn the key on.
fourth, make sure the return line to the tank is open.

Bison, thanks so much for your help! I'll read up on the delivery valve, but I might be getting to the point where I should just take it to a shop if taking the top off is very involved or anything could pop-out or come apart as I remove it, causing further problems. I can check the fitting on the delivery side pretty easily though, and will do that. This is a manual shut off, where pushing the throttle all the way past slow cuts off the fuel and shuts the motor down. I'd say the return line is open since I took the return line fitting off at the pump and no fuel came out when I turned the motor over.
 
(quoted from post at 06:02:49 05/21/15)
(quoted from post at 00:53:05 05/20/15) Delivery valve stuck maybe?(you need to take the top of the pump off to check that).
Other possibility is that the barrel screen on the fuel supply line fitting at the pump is clogged.
thirdly, if you have an electric shut off solenoid on the pump maybe it ain't getting power when you turn the key on.
fourth, make sure the return line to the tank is open.

Bison, thanks so much for your help! I'll read up on the delivery valve, but I might be getting to the point where I should just take it to a shop if taking the top off is very involved or anything could pop-out or come apart as I remove it, causing further problems. I can check the fitting on the delivery side pretty easily though, and will do that. This is a manual shut off, where pushing the throttle all the way past slow cuts off the fuel and shuts the motor down. I'd say the return line is open since I took the return line fitting off at the pump and no fuel came out when I turned the motor over.
he top of the pump is held down with 3 screws.
Nothing will jump out or come apart when you remove it, it is just a cap.
The delivery valve is a rod straight down into the right rear corner of the head and has a small lever at the top that should move when you turn the fuel lever to full throttle.
If it does not move then it is either stuck in the closed position or one of the little springs is broke.
You can use a screw driver to try loosen it if it is stuck.
It does not take much for the valve to remain closed. it should move back and forth easy without binding at any point in its stroke.
 
Bison, thanks again for your help. I haven't had a chance to get back out there & take the top cover off & check the fuel delivery valve, but will try to work on it tomorrow, or I'm off Monday, so maybe I can sneak in a few minutes to check it out then. Take Care.
 

Well I took the cover off and everything seems to be working well. I moved the throttle and the connections inside the pump moved up and down. I took some pictures, but I can't figure out how to post them here.
 
Well it seems like you are out of options to try to get the pump to work while mounted on the engine
The only other thing that comes to mind that will cause no fuel to the injectors is that the plungers are bottomed out and stuck in the rotor(a drop of water in there will do that), if that is the case then i am afraid the pump needs rebuilding.

Normally the transfer pump on back of the Pump pushes fuel between the plungers and forcing them out against the stationary cam ring, rotation of the rotor forces the plungers by way of lift lobes in the cam ring towards each other and forces fuel trough the rotor to the injector that corresponds with one of the exposed orifices in the head.
 
OK, thanks for all your help Bison. I'll start getting ready to take the pump off and finding a place to have it rebuilt.
 

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