Non-typical use of a TLB...

Bob

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Happened here in town... gal failed to negotiate a corner and broke a power pole. The Co-op did this temporary "repair" to get through last weekend.

I'm not sure what she hit it with, but I'm gonna guess the front of her vehicle didn't look too swell after the incident!
 
Thats nuts, 2 transformers above, no earth ground on the tractor, who would want to be in the cab and buttress up that loader bucket to a broken power pole with primary conductors overhead, with the possibility that the top end could come right down on the tractor. Cripes, you'd think they'd have a line truck to sister up another pole, and lash it off correctly or something.
 
(quoted from post at 08:28:07 05/03/15) Not to start an argument on safety. Wouldn't the outriggers constitute an "earth ground"?

I'm going to comment along the same line,.... I've never seen wood act as a very good conductor for electricity.
 
I'd be concerned about hyd drift over the weekend, most stuff leaks down over 3 days.....

Paul
 
The out riggers on a utility company backhoe would seemingly have hard rubber pads for street work. Typically stacks on ends of tire sections or something similar, like a rotary mower tail wheel. Even if a T shaped steel cleat is on the bottom like some do have, I don't believe, (and I am going off from what I have seen on job sites) that would suffice if the backhoe was energized. Right here on this property, when they did some upgrading of the power lines, one new circuit as well, whenever there was any substantial piece of equipment working in reasonable proximity or what is the safe working distance from just the 30,000 volt lines, a copper clad earth ground rod was installed to full depth, a lead with a heavy and strong clamp was used to make a connection to a track pad or some substantial part of the equipment, seen it with excavators and hydraulic cranes, probably have a photo of it too. There are 115V lines running through as well, they were not near those. I'm sure someone else with experience in these matters would know more about it, but I've been around enough line work, 15KV splicing and lots of other things to know better than to take any chances at all. If that live conductor contacts that hoe, its going to arc off big time, has the potential to blow the tires out with pyrolysis and obviously the operator may not fare so well. I saw a fatality in this town when I was a kid, material supplier boom truck contacted primary wires, killed the driver, I can see the building from my house. When I was a young heavy equipment operator, I narrowly escaped a similar fate, was in an old Insley 1000 excavator with worn out control linkages, one of them came apart, jammed and the boom and stick kept going up, I could not get it free, I jumped out, let it go, given the position and where it jammed up, no time to even think, like shut it off or what, I leaped off and the boom went into the overhead power lines, it arced off with a big blue flash, energized that old hunk of junk that was on pavement with steel tracks. This was on a road job and we had to work under these low un-flagged or protected lines. It was one of those companies with poorly maintained equipment, even their later model trucks were junk, I left them because of it. So maybe I'm a bit apprehensive, but with good cause.

LOL! I'd not worry about any arguing, just for discussion, and maybe I am way off here LOL ! but I am safety conscious when it comes to any kind of electrical power. Lets see what others say, lot of electrical knowledge here, my comments are just based on observation and more opinion than not, though I have been around line work and electrical distribution on job sites, closer to it than I'd have liked at times too !
 
Agree. Around here the electric company's would be out replacing that pole no matter what time it was or the weather conditions. A simple matter of safety.
 
Did it break or is it cracked? Broke in my mind is laying on the ground with busted up transformers, etc. Cracked from the hit means it was still standing, but couldn't take a wind event or something along those lines. Either way, I'd think they would fix it now, but I don't get paid enough to make those decisions.
AaronSEIA
 
Westar energy also braces over a weekend (or up to a week after a storm) but they have trucks with a long hydraulic stick made for holding poles up. I do not generally see outriggers but haven't paid that much attention. I have also never looked to see if they drive a ground rod - that wouldn't be obvious. Also can't see if there might be a ground rod and cable on the back side of that tractor in the pic.
 
(quoted from post at 06:42:58 05/03/15) Agree. Around here the electric company's would be out replacing that pole no matter what time it was or the weather conditions. A simple matter of safety.

Around here, NH you see plenty of poles with splints on them for months.
 
NO metal sleeve there. The base of the pole looks a different color because of the lighting angle, it is leaning backwards below the break.

LOTS of taut wires up there, and the neighboring poles are pretty close I think they pretty much stabilized the top of the pole north and south and east and west, and the TLB kept the bottom in place. The had to shut off power to a large area of town, and denounced they would do it last Monday AM.

Trouble was, there was a large funeral already planned that morning at a nearby church, so they waited 'til after noon to do it, and by then it was raining. Made it a nice job for the crew!
 
My BIL is a lineman for DTE here in Michigan. He has always said that they don't do ANYTHING they don't think is safe. But the nature of their job means they work on stuff that is a hairs-breath away from a nasty outcome, so they do dangerous stuff in the most un-dangerous way.
 
think about this as far as the ground you all are concerned about,it makes no difference the transformer and services are hooked to the system neutral,also even if the backhoe were grounded in the unlikely event due to the way the pole is supported a contact to the backhoe happened, it will come hot!!, YOU CAN NOT CHECK ELECTRICY WITH A GROUND NO MATTER HOW GOOD IT IS.I can prove my point
 
(quoted from post at 16:51:58 05/04/15) think about this as far as the ground you all are concerned about,it makes no difference the transformer and services are hooked to the system neutral,also even if the backhoe were grounded in the unlikely event due to the way the pole is supported a contact to the backhoe happened, it will come hot!!, YOU CAN NOT CHECK ELECTRICY WITH A GROUND NO MATTER HOW GOOD IT IS.I can prove my point

But this thread is about electricity not ELECTRICY. Are you really sure you can prove it when you can't even spell it?
 
ain't the first time I've goofed while typing sorry about that and yes I can explain it in simple terms I can even understand,if one thinks they can stop electricity with a ground ,picture this, your house sits 3 miles from a substation 3 phase circuit without any other feed source is what supplies you current,one night a tree falls between your house and the station wrapping all 4 wires tightly together one of which is the system neutral which most of the time would be the best ground possible, what happens with your lights if they are on at the time? I'm not suggesting a ground doesn't play a great role concerning the use of electricity it just gets misunderstood
 
(quoted from post at 15:01:42 05/05/15) ain't the first time I've goofed while typing sorry about that and yes I can explain it in simple terms I can even understand,if one thinks they can stop electricity with a ground ,picture this, your house sits 3 miles from a substation 3 phase circuit without any other feed source is what supplies you current,one night a tree falls between your house and the station wrapping all 4 wires tightly together one of which is the system neutral which most of the time would be the best ground possible, what happens with your lights if they are on at the time? I'm not suggesting a ground doesn't play a great role concerning the use of electricity it just gets misunderstood

My lights will go out just as they always do when this happens. The short circuit trips the nearest pole mounted circuit breaker.
 
the thing I was trying to point out is that even though a ground fault occurred your lights would blink most of time at least twice if the recloser was set to operate normal,in other words it closed back twice before locking out,so by the lights blinking current went pass the ground point each time the recloser closed,the means by which a ground gives protection is by putting personal in an equal potential or less zone,when a ground is installed in the proper manner for this purpose even though hazardous voltage becomes present there is no current flow at equal potential alleviating the hazard,a ground incorrectly installed for this purpose is worthless even though it looks good to the untrained person,the grounds I'm referring to are installed for the protection of the workers and equipment while working on the lines and equipment,not the system grounds, safest thing a person can do is ALWAYS CONSIDER A POWER LINE ENERGIZED EVEN THOUGH IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DE-ENERGIZED,if it only comes hot for a split second it can injure or kill someone
 

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