Keystone XL pipeline

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Wouldnt it be a safer world if we could supply Europe with North American oil and gas?How much more clout Europe and the U.S. would have?Europe could wean its self off russian gas and oil! ?No more mind games by an aggressive putin.The west could stand more united and stop russian aggression. Thats were the Keystone pipeline would come in handy.Hey wait a minute;the keystone could carry Bakken oil too!Ops i spoke too soon,we gotta deal with the-not-in-my-backyarders first......my 2 cents worth....from John in the great white north eh?
 

I understand they are working on supply LNG to Europe but the facilities to process the gas here are not ready. They were built to receive LNG from other places, now the worm has turned and we weren't ready for it. I saw that it will be several years to get it geared up.
 
Our way of life has brought us to be dependent on oil & natural gas, and the companies that bring it to us. We live in North America and it gets cold here in the winter. I like a warm home, hot shower and cooked food with the turn of a dial. Oil and gas is part of our everyday life, and although it can be supplemented with green technology, I do not believe it will ever be replaced, not for a long time anyway....
 
To answer your question, oil is going to go wherever it is needed in the world. I do not believe it makes any difference where it is refined at...It's a global economy.
 
I can't help to think there are people behind the scenes pulling strings and we have no clue what is really going on in the world.
 
I just wish we could get to use our own here in the USA.
They have so much natural gas they just blow it off into the air right now because they have not set up a way to put it to use. It would heat a lot of homes here.
 
I'm a Nebraska resident, I work for a pretty large natural gas pipeline company. Pipelines have been bringing us hydrocarbon products as well as other chemicals for years. The activists would have a fit if they knew that anhydrous ammonia was and is shipped via pipeline, a pipeline that's 40+ years old to boot. I think the activists are living in mamby pamby land thinking all of the fuel for the vehicles they drive to their rally comes here by truck! That could not be further from the truth! The trucks only haul it from a tank farm that is supplied by a pipeline, been this way for years! Think about all of the diesel fuel agriculture and the railroads use and the jet fuel used at major airports. It would be pretty much impossible or at least very inefficient and impractical to try and move these volumes by truck. I know for fact that BNSF's yard in Lincoln Nebraska is served by pipeline. Some years back I read in a "Trains" publication that the Lincoln Nebraska terminal on BNSF dispensed more diesel fuel to locomotives than any other terminal on their system. Hmmm if it made sense to be hauling their own fuel by rail you think they'd be doing that, but they're not. They too are relying on the nations pipeline network to provide fuel so they can haul coal, grain, crude oil and everything else. If president external_link is worried about carbon emissions he's all wrong! This oil WILL BE BURNED SOMEWHERE ON THIS PLANET! What about Keystone 1 it has been delivering Canadian oil for about seven years now. The company I work for and other pipeline companies have been converting natural gas pipelines back into crude oil lines to haul Bakken crude. By the time KXL gets approved they may not need it as many American companies pipeline & rail are rushing to deliver the Bakken product to customers anyway. Without a doubt the KXL pipeline would need to be operated safely and closely monitored, didn't the Alaska Pipeline run through some pretty environmentally sensitive areas too. We have demonstrated that we can safely produce nuclear power too. I believe in balancing and diversifying our nation's energy needs based on what makes the most sense! Right now the big push is to squeeze coal out and satisfy our electrical needs with "clean burning natural gas". So what happens when we use all of the gas to make electricity? Will we burn coal to heat our homes and buildings again, that would be pretty silly. I'm all for using gas especially for the peak & swing load. But coal fired power plants have come a heck of a long way emission wise. Let's use the coal to make electricity and use electricity and natural gas in our homes, schools, hospitals etc. I'm sure that hydro power had it's share of naysayers in the beginning too, kind of like wind power has now. Just like our stock broker promotes having a "balanced portfolio" this nation needs to have a balance portfolio of energy sources competing against each other to deliver reliable safe cost effective power to all of us. Look at Hoover Dam, nuclear power plants the Alaska Pipeline, All of the coal hauled out of Wyoming, Windfarms, bio diesel plants, ethanol plants. All of these things have been developed and we're all still here. Let's use all of these diverse sources of energy to further liberate ourselves from other unfriendly foreign sources. Let's use our diverse supply of energy sources to return to what America previously was!
 
(quoted from post at 08:26:13 03/06/15) I just wish we could get to use our own here in the USA.
They have so much natural gas they just blow it off into the air right now because they have not set up a way to put it to use. It would heat a lot of homes here.

Really????
And where does that happen?
 
(quoted from post at 12:31:13 03/06/15)
(quoted from post at 08:26:13 03/06/15) I just wish we could get to use our own here in the USA.
They have so much natural gas they just blow it off into the air right now because they have not set up a way to put it to use. It would heat a lot of homes here.

Really????
And where does that happen?
ig flare burning 24/7 at our monster land fill & east TX gas plant.
 
Justin Case..Thank you for the informative view from someone that has been there.
 
Ozlander, there was a posting here a short time ago
entitled "Identify the city". Photograph was taken
from space at night. Flaring of natural gas was so big that it looked liked a city but was fracking
flares in the Dakotas.
 
Justin Case-well said... Are you thinking of running for 2016?LOL... just in case (pun)I'll be look'in for your name... MTP
 
Yea wright X L pipe line , like that is going to happen . Just what do you want to do make poor old Warren Buffet starve when he is making more money a day then you could ever spend in you life time from shipping the oil by his trains.
 
(quoted from post at 07:11:28 03/06/15) Wouldnt it be a safer world if we could supply Europe with North American oil and gas?How much more clout Europe and the U.S. would have?Europe could wean its self off russian gas and oil! ?No more mind games by an aggressive putin.The west could stand more united and stop russian aggression. Thats were the Keystone pipeline would come in handy.Hey wait a minute;the keystone could carry Bakken oil too!Ops i spoke too soon,we gotta deal with the-not-in-my-backyarders first......my 2 cents worth....from John in the great white north eh?
ack in the seventies there was a huge nat gas field discovered under the northern province's in The Netherlands.
The Dutch gubmint of that time proceeded to sell a huge amount of that gas to the Russians for a fraction of what dutch customers had to pay.
Them Ruskies where smart,..they paid for it but never took actual delivery.
Today the field is almost pumped dry but for what the Russians own.
The Ruskies are now selling it back to the Dutch for big profit.
 
Well it would be neat if we could get around to build it. Congress finally passed the bill. Whats his name vetoed it. Congress couldn't assemble the fortitude to override the veto. I could have predicted that....
Keystone is not the answer to all our energy problems, just a piece in the 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle. But having it on the table would sure help.
 
Might be happening

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-10-08/keystone-be-darned-canada-finds-oil-route-around-external_link
 
The Ogallala aquifer is a big concern for people living in those seven states out west. I don't blame them, I would be concerned too. I understand TransCanada is in the process of purchasing new right-of-ways in attempt to go around the aquifer instead of through it.
 
(quoted from post at 01:19:39 03/07/15) The Ogallala aquifer is a big concern for people living in those seven states out west. I don't blame them, I would be concerned too. I understand TransCanada is in the process of purchasing new right-of-ways in attempt to go around the aquifer instead of through it.

I live not far from where they tried to seize the land in Nebraska. I don't know anyone that wants the pipeline here. Somewhere else, maybe. They should go around any sensitive areas that can be avoided, like shallow aquifers, etc. "It almost never leaks" isn't good enough, and the toxic chemicals they have to mix with the stuff could EASILY get in our water. Might be safer than trains, but they could wait until the safer method is in place to ship the stuff in the first place.

As to what benefit it will provide, I don't see it. Here's a report. http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/sites/ilr.cornell.edu/files/GLI_keystoneXL_Reportpdf.pdf

Couple spills. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Mayflower_oil_spill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalamazoo_River_oil_spill

Article on the leak detection. I forget when they changed to the current route, this may have been written about the first route, which was absolutely stupid.
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/aswift/the_keystone_xl_tar_sands_pipe.html

Another article.
http://www.npr.org/2012/08/16/158025375/when-this-oil-spills-its-a-whole-new-monster

Article on one of the meetings in the area. There was a really nice one I remember from back then but can't find it.
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20110930/state-department-keystone-xl-hearing-atkinson-nebraska-sandhills-critics-passions-flare
 
(quoted from post at 02:49:38 03/07/15) Other than not in my back yard, what's your point?

Pretty obvious what my point is. Just because they "can" go through sensitive areas doesn't mean that they "should" when they can easily go around them, when there is a choice. There may be minimal risk, but there is not "no" risk. And it's our water supply at risk. If they are going over it, they could go further east instead of crossing here, where the depth is considerably greater. Not enough facts in the links I provided?

I'll stick with my neighbors, thanks. If any of you people want to argue about that, then put it near your water supply.
 
I have 2 petroleum pipelines going across my property. I farm over both. Were here when I bought the place in '78. Over the years I have seen maintenance on the line twice, neither on my place but next door in a gully and another about a mile down the road, adjacent to the road.

Both times there was no indication of a problem with the line. One day the crew shows up, digs a hole, does some work and a week later, other than loose dirt at the workover site, you couldn't tell anybody was there.

They have a little Beetle that runs inside the line taking data on it's condition. Do not know what it carries, but it's purpose is to find potential problems before they become problems.

I tore down some old fence crossing the lines and replaced it. I called the number on the plackard that mounts on fences where they cross the line and told them they needed to replace their plackards. Next day a guy shows up, real polite, we get the work done in short order and away he went.

I don't have a problem with pipelines and if we are to obtain any kind of energy independence something has to change for the better. Too many boo birds out there (including competitors in foreign countries) trying to stop us.

Mark
 
i work for engineering companies that are designing the LNG facilities for exporting the natural gas. We are working on at least 5 facilities at the moment. 3 are here in Texas. One of them is about to begin receiving the natural has and the sister plant will follow very soon. We are also working on two in Western Australia. We should get word on another this week that we will start on soon here in Texas. These are just the ones this engineering company is working on. I know of about 4 more her in Texas that other companies are working on. These facilities don't spring up overnight. It takes a minimum of 2-3 years to have them operational. One of them in Australia has been going on for 5 years so far. Suppose to wrap up later this year.
 
(quoted from post at 10:11:28 03/06/15) Wouldnt it be a safer world if we could supply Europe with North American oil and gas?How much more clout Europe and the U.S. would have?Europe could wean its self off russian gas and oil! ?No more mind games by an aggressive putin.The west could stand more united and stop russian aggression. Thats were the Keystone pipeline would come in handy.Hey wait a minute;the keystone could carry Bakken oil too!Ops i spoke too soon,we gotta deal with the-not-in-my-backyarders first......my 2 cents worth....from John in the great white north eh?

Quebec had an runaway train and derailment 2-3 years ago that burned down part of a town. Plus these recent problems http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/sudbury/train-carrying-crude-oil-derails-near-gogama-ont-1.2985703
 

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