School Me On Schwartz?!

Bryce Frazier

Well-known Member
Alright, so I have been looking for a wide front for my Farmall H. After some research, I don't want an IH one, I want a Schwartz, Norden, ???

SO, I just had the wild thought a minute ago, I HAVE a Schwartz wide front, however it is on an Allis Chalmers WC!

The tractor is pretty much trashed, but the wide front is just fine except for missing a tie rod, but I could probably make one of those...

So, the tag on it says "Universal Tractor Front End" and then below it, it says Manufactured by Schwartz.

What are the odds that this would fit on my Farmall H? If it is "Universal" is it the wide front that is, but the mouting equipment is different, or is it a "Universal" for AC stuff?

What do you guys think? Time to whip out the tape measure?! :)
 
The axle is likely the same, but different mounts and steering components go with the farmall. Those should be eady to find tho since that is a popular wide front, at least in my area.
 
A guy I know has lots of Schwartz's for M's, the steering stuff might be the same, and then I could make the brackets work!

Then again, I might just be better off selling this one and buying one that is SUPPOSED to be on a Farmall!

Thanks, Bryce

P.S. Did you get out of the mud ok?
 
Yep, and since he pulled out 3 other trucks between the 2 truckstops at that exit it only cost me $300.00
 
"Universal" is kind of a descriptive name. The axle itself will be the same.The mounts however will be different. Since they are made of mild steel angle iron,it will be fairly easy to build your own or modify what is there.Since you already know how the Swarts is mounted to the IH,you have half the job figured out.So get out your tape measure,welder,drill press,etc......Go to your iron pile to get some material and get to work.
 
$300 probably isn't too bad huh!? Sounds outrageous to the average Joe, but I would imagine if it had been JUST you it would have been $400-600 huh?
 
Thats what I am thinking! :)

Still not to terribly sure that I want to try to modify one yet, need to call a guy today and see what he has. In fact he is probably reading this post thinking "Dude? Call me already!?!" :)
 
Go for it.The sooner you do it the sooner you will know how."Nothing to fear but fear itself".Somewhere down the line you will need to similar things.With old tractors,thats just the way it is.This is a great place to start your 'education'.No time like the present.Get after it.You CAN do it!!Btw You will have the well earned right to point at it and say "See,I did that myself!"And THAT is something NO ONE can take away from you. <);^)
 
I worked in the machine shop at Schwartz back in the 60's in Lester Prarie, made a lot of parts for them. Have one on one of my Masseys for the last 30 years, I like it cause it shortens the tractor by almost a foot over the factory one. they were a conversion kit so most of the narrow front steering was used, at least for the Massey.
 
Couldn't wait to get a wide front on my H, until I actually bought an H with one.
"Some guys can turn in on a dime, or turn it right downtown, but give my 40 acres.... "
Never again.
 
You mighta helped make the one on my Ford 960 then!

I just tweaked it on a REA pole last fall, ummm.... I'm sure it was the poles fault.....

Have to see about bending the plate underneath with the balls back square again..... Few 16ths of an inch can sure make a difference...

Paul
 

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