Coyotes are back!

Dave H (MI)

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I see on MLive tonight there is an article stating that the coyotes who killed the sheriffs horse at a farm in the next county last week returned yesterday and were chasing the other horses. The article says that the 27 year old horse killed last week was attacked after a "slip and fall". Horse injured yesterday had a gash in it's side from running into something. Sounds like the coyotes were harassing the horses but did not actually pull one down and kill it. They have moved all the horses off the farm. Didn't hear anything about removing the coyotes! Seems like that would be the way to go.
 
I remember reading a few years ago, a young woman hiker in a South East Canadian park was killed by a pack of what they suspected was Coyote / wolf ? or coyote / dog cross.
 
Around here everybody has mules in with all of their horses and cows. I have no clue why, but they say they help keep away the coyotes. It must work because I know quite a few people doing it, and so far haven't heard any of them complain about problems with the coyotes.
 
We have a friend that has a couple donkeys along with horses, and other hobby farm animals. The donkeys are territorial and have killed several raccoons and 'possums in their pasture. Kick and stomp them to death. No doubt they would take on a coyote.
 
Have also heard that insurance companies are turning western coyotes loose to control deer, hence less crop damage and less payout. They are a problem here in Va as well, just saw a black spotted coyote last week.
 
Mule or donkey will grab a dog or coyote by the back and shake it until it breaks the dog or coyotes back. Not all mules or donkeys do this, but enough you want to watch you dog around them.
 
I saw that. They said the reason that eastern coyote are larger than western is that they had crossed with wolves or at least have some wolf DNA. Those were scary animals...no fear.
 
I was sitting on an old appy once watching some kids in a riding lesson. Trainer had a B&T coonhound and it wandered over to where we were. That fool horse grabbed that dog by the back and picked it right off the ground. I gave him a slap and he let go but I sure got some dirty looks. Not like I knew it was gonna happen.
 
Dave, I have heard the same thing. that coyotes were breeding with red wolves, which are about the same size, and the resulting animal is smarter and more cunning than either parent line.
 
(quoted from post at 16:49:15 01/31/15) I see on MLive tonight there is an article stating that the coyotes who killed the sheriffs horse at a farm in the next county last week returned yesterday and were chasing the other horses. The article says that the 27 year old horse killed last week was attacked after a "slip and fall". Horse injured yesterday had a gash in it's side from running into something. Sounds like the coyotes were harassing the horses but did not actually pull one down and kill it. They have moved all the horses off the farm. Didn't hear anything about removing the coyotes! Seems like that would be the way to go.

I had a mare that hated dogs, chased any dog she saw. Never had a problem with the horse, just had to keep the dogs away.
 
ShadetreeRet- I've posted this pic before...here are the 'Red' yotes in Eastern Kentucky.


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Plus, two more caught a couple of days ago...


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Also, added a young female that we caught and made a pet. Kept her about a month but it semms she wanted to leave and she left.

Maybe it was all the skins we had hanging around.





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Oddly enough, here closer to town where the house is we have more coyotes than out at the farm. I saw one set of coyote tracks in the snow when I was out there yesterday. Here we are just outside a large park and the end we abut is the "nature center". Coyotes carry on all night here. There has also been a sharp downturn in the deer population here. Don't see anywhere near as many and there is much less damage to the landscaping. Rarely see coyote here, but hear them nightly. Out to the farm they bask in the fields during the day. That's gonna end.
 
Here in N.E. Texas the closest "city" to us Winnsboro (Pop 3,500) has issued a alert about packs of coyotes attacking domestic animals. We live about 4 miles East of town on a creek and hear the coyote packs most every night.
I will say that over the past 4 or 5 years the size of the packs has been growing, the yipping we hear has increased greatly.
Andrew
 
Results of horses running into fence or otherwise, having been spooked is not going to turn out well. We had to heal one up after a huge flap was about hacked off the lower part of a front leg, darned worst thing I ever saw on livestock. I still remember nailing the last dog years later, there were that many out there. Long shot, took 3 though, as it was on the opposing hill side where he was, still a bit green being a kid, but the dust in the tractor path, allowed me to quickly dial in as I could spot where they hit, had it been wet, probably would have missed. That was the end of them, til coyotes came into the area in more recent times, say late 90's maybe?

I heard em tonight, but they've been mostly quiet, but I don't believe they go too far within this contiguous area I live towards one side of. Lots of good sized open fields in the middle of the area all bounded by forest, or thick hedge/old fence line areas etc.

Moonlight night tonight over fresh powdery snow, its now calm from what I see looking at my chimney, as steam rises up. About perfect hunting conditions from an elevated position. Having spent most of the day outside, don't believe I'll be out there, given the temps, not bad at all without that wind, but I had my share already! I haven't been too aggressive on them here lately, but there are opportunities throughout the year and they will get thinned at those times if a chance arises to do so. A few times I've stepped it up a bit after seeing a couple during the day near the house.

Unreal, with them around,+ fox, owls etc., I see rabbits all over at night. They have good cover, lot of resources for most wildlife.
 
I saw Pennsylvania has a bill headed to the governor to fund a 25 dollar bounty for coyotes for the game commission.
California has banned hunting contests that pay cash. Now they go to Nevada to participate in those competitions
 
The DNR is skeptical of the horse owner's account. Particularly since NOBODY actually saw it happen. And the horse owner hasn't helped her credibility by claiming they have seventy pound coyotes in the neighborhood.

Just an observation: A pack of large dogs attacking a horse is a lot more probable than a pack of coyotes.
What the DNR says
 
(quoted from post at 22:33:18 01/31/15) I saw that. They said the reason that eastern coyote are larger than western is that they had crossed with wolves or at least have some wolf DNA. Those were scary animals...no fear.

This is true. Even the NYS DEC admits it now, although they denied it, like everything else, some years back when people thought it might be why they hunt in packs like wolves and are so much larger than their western counterparts. They are no more "fearful" of man than nay other dog or wild animal. It all depends on the situation and what they're used to. They are certainly a danger to all game, pets and livestock but it's not like they're stalking kids at bus stops.

I tried llamas, others have tried donkeys, guard dogs work for us.
 
I wonder who came up with the slip and fall idea, seems more likely the horse fell running from the coyote's, so essentially, the coyote's did take the horse down. As for the owner saying they have 70lb coyote's there, well, take it for what it is, an estimate by a homeowner. I have shot a couple coyote's here, they were more than 50lbs, but looked much bigger until they were dead on the ground.
 
Thanks for the link.
The DNR doesn't like to be told things by us ordinary uneducated types.
This story reminds me of the one where several state's DNRs categorically denined the existence of mountain lions in their states. But more and more sightings and a road kill or two made them rethink things.
IIRC they radio collared a mountain lion in ND or some such and followed it all the way out to New York a couple of years later.
 
Yeah, and the DEC just about tied themselves in knots trying to convince anyone who had seen it here in NY that they were delusional, too! They kind of reminded me of Lance Armstrong's little "but I didn't do 'roids" performance. If I remember correctly, it was killed by a car in Conn. or Mass. a couple of months after it had been seen in our area. That's when the story came out that it had traveled from the Dakotas to where it got hit. The DEC gave us the same song and dance for about 10 years after the coyotes had moved into NY, also.

And then the DEC just can't understand why they have very little credibility with the unwashed masses.(smile)
 
Brett, years ago an old coyote hunter told me that the eastern coyote had red wolf blood in them, and were not true coyotes. Most did not believe him at the time..............Until DNA tests were done. Guess what? The "Eastern Coyote" really did have a substantial amount of wolf DNA.
 
They don't have much sense on some things, I know of another area where there were sightings of mountain lion, that per say "don't exist" but in reality tracks and such tell a different story.

It would be interesting if one of them ever took up residence here, given the whitetail deer population, then again, things are fine without them around.
 
I can only speak for north central Texas area, but I have personally seen a large Shepard looking mix dog leading 4 coyotes in a pack harassing a new calf. He is dead now. Several times we have seen a pack of 4-5 domestic dogs chewing up a calf...not for food, just the pack instinct I guess. We kill them without question on our property. Pure coyotes go for smaller game, or an animal that is already down for some reason. The packed up domestic dogs, some of which are pets that go back home after the fun, have caused us much more stock damage over the years than coyotes.
 


Yesterday I found a deer the coyotes killed. December found a turkey two different times. I been wanting to shoot them, but only getting them on my game cameras during the night. Also someone said you don't see fox when coyotes are around, but I did have a couple of pictures of fox too.
 
Yea the DNR said there weren't any cougars up here in this area until a car hit andd killed one here.And then they wouldn't beleive it was a cougar until a police officer checked the carcus and said it deff, was a cougar. The dnr doesn't know all they are suppose to. I heard it on the scanner and one of their own came on and said there weren't any cougars in the area. They were proved wrong. Has been more sighted since then.
 
Nebraska was one of them. Til one of their people took a picture of about a half dozen of them on a logging road bugging out ahead of a fire. Then they had to admit they are here. Somehow the states on 3 sides had them but we only had "rogue males".
 

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