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Billy J Shafer
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I don't. My brother bought a 2014 Silverado. Can't keep the lights on it working. The whole electrical system is screwed up. GM is about to get one of their fine vehicles back.
MarkB_MI
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Recalls are for safety issues.
His vehicle has a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty, BTW.
His vehicle has a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty, BTW.
Texasmark1
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Well I bought a 2011, back when the government was calling the shots. Have had it back to the dealer 5 times, 3 of which were for state inspection and 2 to replace parts of the wiring harness the squirrels decided to ingest.
I love it.
Mark
I love it.
Mark
the last three chevys i have had starting with a 02
2500 hd then a 06 2500 duramaxx then a 2010 2500 gasser.they all made it to 150000 miles in 5years for each of them.i replaced the alternator on the 02 at 154000.the 06 duramaxx a front wheel bearing at 145000 and along with some minor egr problems that just needed cleaning.thr 2010 2500 gasser now has 149000 and has nothing done but oil changes and new brake pads all way around.on the flip side 75% of these miles were interstate miles which also make a big difference.this time i just bought a new f-250 4x4.i will just say i had to get the ford due to political reasons inside my work/company.so it will be be interesting to see the difference in the next 5 years.
RICK
2500 hd then a 06 2500 duramaxx then a 2010 2500 gasser.they all made it to 150000 miles in 5years for each of them.i replaced the alternator on the 02 at 154000.the 06 duramaxx a front wheel bearing at 145000 and along with some minor egr problems that just needed cleaning.thr 2010 2500 gasser now has 149000 and has nothing done but oil changes and new brake pads all way around.on the flip side 75% of these miles were interstate miles which also make a big difference.this time i just bought a new f-250 4x4.i will just say i had to get the ford due to political reasons inside my work/company.so it will be be interesting to see the difference in the next 5 years.
RICK
I have run a majority of GM products for most of my life. I now have FOUR letters for different recalls laying on my desk.
Two of them are for the key switch recall. I refuse to have them just make my key ring so small you can't even keep a house key on it. My brother had his car done two weeks ago. They just put a plastic guide on the switch and a SMALL key ring on the remote. I do mean small you can't even fold the key next to the fob to put it in your pocket. They don't fix the real issue just "rig" it up.
I think I bought my LAST GM product last year. The 2013 Malibu that is my wife's car has already been in SIX times for different warranty issues. Most are dealing with the electronics. They total in cost to over $6000. I sure will not keep this one after the warranty is over.
Two of them are for the key switch recall. I refuse to have them just make my key ring so small you can't even keep a house key on it. My brother had his car done two weeks ago. They just put a plastic guide on the switch and a SMALL key ring on the remote. I do mean small you can't even fold the key next to the fob to put it in your pocket. They don't fix the real issue just "rig" it up.
I think I bought my LAST GM product last year. The 2013 Malibu that is my wife's car has already been in SIX times for different warranty issues. Most are dealing with the electronics. They total in cost to over $6000. I sure will not keep this one after the warranty is over.
MarkB_MI
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>And a random part failing on one random vehicle means what? It means that your buddies oilpump went bad long before its time. Nothing more nothing less!
Correct. Infant mortality does happen, and it's something manufacturers usually respond to quickly. I'll add that the "oil pump failure" diagnosis is suspect. Not just because oil pump failures are exceeding rare, but also because in a case like this the manufacturer would have insisted the dealer return the engine for teardown. And if the dealer didn't tear down the engine, who made the diagnosis?
Correct. Infant mortality does happen, and it's something manufacturers usually respond to quickly. I'll add that the "oil pump failure" diagnosis is suspect. Not just because oil pump failures are exceeding rare, but also because in a case like this the manufacturer would have insisted the dealer return the engine for teardown. And if the dealer didn't tear down the engine, who made the diagnosis?
John M
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You do realize you can put a regular sized key ring on that small one don't you? All the piece does is reposition the "load" so the witch isn't pulled, more or less, into the off position.
welled deers
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dumped my last GM product after about $13,000 in repairs in 200,000 miles. Replaced it with a Ford Explorer and only had one repair in 245,000 miles, replaced a fuel pump at about 200,000 miles. Still has the original exhaust. No More GM for me.
John how does just placing a plastic "guide" that prevents a bigger key ring from being used help change the "load" on the key???
I looked at the brothers after they did the up date. It just keep s a normal key ring form being used. If you try what your talking about it pulls the keys out of the switch when you shut the key off. It actually looks like it places more load on the switch.
My gripe is that they did not really fix the problem. Which is just a weak detent spring in the key switch. A new switch assembly would be the correct fix. They are rigging up a plastic guide that really does nothing.
With new cars and trucks costing 25-60K they need to do better.
I looked at the brothers after they did the up date. It just keep s a normal key ring form being used. If you try what your talking about it pulls the keys out of the switch when you shut the key off. It actually looks like it places more load on the switch.
My gripe is that they did not really fix the problem. Which is just a weak detent spring in the key switch. A new switch assembly would be the correct fix. They are rigging up a plastic guide that really does nothing.
With new cars and trucks costing 25-60K they need to do better.
teddy52food
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Some years ago a guy had a new van that had a shake in it that the dealer couldn't find. GM wouldn't take it back. So he parked it on a hill along the freeway with a sign; Lemon that GM won't fix or take back. It was there for quite some time. I don't know how he did with it.
John M
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With the long slot, the weight of the keys is all the way at the bottom of the slot when in the switch. Even the slightest tug, or enough weight on the key ring will cause the switch to move to the off position. By inserting the the piece, and making the hole smaller, the "load" of the extra keys is moved up to the center of the black plastic, and makes it harder for the switch to move to the off position. Well, I say off, but if its in gear, it wont go all the way to off if its in gear, it will just kill the engine. I tired it on my wifes car, and it does stop the key from turning backwards as easy as it did before the "fix", but I agree with you, it doesn't FIX the problem.
jimg.allentown
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I worked in Ford dealerships for over 20 years. The statement about the number of recalls _may_ be correct - at least from your point of view. However, one thing that I saw first hand is that Ford generally owns up to their mistakes and makes things right with the customer.
Example: If your transmission goes out - Ford fixes it at no cost to you. If your GM transmission goes out, they will fix it, but they will charge you for the fluid to refill it after repair - and they will try to patch it several times before committing to making the full repair as it should have been from the beginning.
Ford learned their lesson when the foreign invasion began to erode their sales back in the late '70s to early '80s. Quality is what sells. GM, on the other hand, is all about CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP!!! They will do anything to make a vehicle cheaper to save them money. Their problem is that they have too many MBAs in the front office and not enough "real car people" there.
At one time or another, I have owned cars from every GM division. I had the best service from Buicks. Got tired of putting camshafts, lifters, and head gaskets on Chevrolets. So, I bought a brand new Ford in 1988, and drove it for 21 years. Been a Ford man ever since.
Example: If your transmission goes out - Ford fixes it at no cost to you. If your GM transmission goes out, they will fix it, but they will charge you for the fluid to refill it after repair - and they will try to patch it several times before committing to making the full repair as it should have been from the beginning.
Ford learned their lesson when the foreign invasion began to erode their sales back in the late '70s to early '80s. Quality is what sells. GM, on the other hand, is all about CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP!!! They will do anything to make a vehicle cheaper to save them money. Their problem is that they have too many MBAs in the front office and not enough "real car people" there.
At one time or another, I have owned cars from every GM division. I had the best service from Buicks. Got tired of putting camshafts, lifters, and head gaskets on Chevrolets. So, I bought a brand new Ford in 1988, and drove it for 21 years. Been a Ford man ever since.
John M
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Let me add, even GM says after this fix, you still shouldn't put a lot of keys on there, just the ring the dealer puts on, an addition ring for the remote fob, and the remote fob. Says so right on the paper they gave my wife. Guess that releases them of any wrong doing!
CenTex Farmall
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The replies to posts about newer vehicle problems are always interesting.
The fundamental problem is that newer vehicles have too many parts for the job being done.
The fundamental problem is that newer vehicles have too many parts for the job being done.
john *.?-!.* cub owner
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y personal experience is that it is because Ford and Dodge do not fight the recalls as hard as Chevrolet does. I have had experience with recalls, or needed recalls on all of them. I cannot say from experience about Toyota, since I have not owned one in 40 or so years.
I keep checking the mailbox, but I feel negelected. My good ol '77 Chevy 4x4 heavy-half-ton with the black flat bed is on its third speedometer, every few years I change the oil, every 5 or 10 years I stick in some Autolites. She up and flies down the road, thru snow, ice, mud, across the field. Keep checking the mailbox, but I never get any GM mail.
Mike in Mn.
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I used to be a Dealership mechanic and I could tell stories that would take a case of beer, but I'm not getting in this fight!!
Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Of the several hats I wear at a Ford/GM/Chrysler dealer, GM transmission tech is one of them. I just had to repair a SRTA in a Tahoe under warranty and everything was covered for the customer.
If you got stuck paying for fluids, you either had an aftermarket repair contract with a deductible, a lesser extended warranty that had a deductible, or were flat out ripped off by the dealer that did the work.
If you got stuck paying for fluids, you either had an aftermarket repair contract with a deductible, a lesser extended warranty that had a deductible, or were flat out ripped off by the dealer that did the work.
John M
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Um, yes they have! Dexcool was reformulated years ago, so the old "orange" Dexcool isn't being used any longer.
teddy52food
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Maybe he moved it. It was on I94 by Avon.
I've been around the automotive business either working for GM or for suppliers for the last 35+ years. I've also seen my share of "poor design" issues on the vehicles I've owned. Chrysler, GM AND Ford. There is not much difference between the people who work there and do the engineering or the middle level management who supervise them. There is a lot of movement of employees between the 3 companies here in the Detroit area. In fact, much of the actual work nowadays is done by contract people. Many of these are people who were let go or retired from one and entered the contract arena and end up working at one of the other OEMs. Also, much of the product design/build work is done by suppliers. By this I mean the Big guys: TRW, Magna, Bosch, Lear, Johnson Controls.
So, a GM oil pump problem could come from the supplier who also designs/builds pumps for others.
Much of the work that the OEM employees do is paperwork (PPAP, DFMEAs, etc) that is part of the "quality process" but in reality does little to address the real design issues. Most designers are more concerned about making the numbers come out right and verbiage correct so they don't have to do more work. (I'd love to see the DFMEA on the keyswitch) . You also have attitude/culture problems where many of the engineers (especially at GM) are just going through the motions, waiting for retirement. I've just experienced that on 2 different projects we did with GM. A friend of mine who I used to work at GM with went back as a contractor with a different division and confirmed my opinion that "it's the same old GM".
On the other hand, I've done a fair amount of work with the foreign transplants and there is a night and day difference with their approach to the business. Many of the engineers are ex-Big 3 but the culture is different. There is true accountability.
At the end of the day, you'll hear horror stories about ANY of the Big 3 and the transplants DO have some issues but the last 3 vehicles I bought were either Nissans or Hondas and I'm very happy with those purchases. Before that, I had 30+ years of either GM/Ford/Chrysler and ...never again.
So, a GM oil pump problem could come from the supplier who also designs/builds pumps for others.
Much of the work that the OEM employees do is paperwork (PPAP, DFMEAs, etc) that is part of the "quality process" but in reality does little to address the real design issues. Most designers are more concerned about making the numbers come out right and verbiage correct so they don't have to do more work. (I'd love to see the DFMEA on the keyswitch) . You also have attitude/culture problems where many of the engineers (especially at GM) are just going through the motions, waiting for retirement. I've just experienced that on 2 different projects we did with GM. A friend of mine who I used to work at GM with went back as a contractor with a different division and confirmed my opinion that "it's the same old GM".
On the other hand, I've done a fair amount of work with the foreign transplants and there is a night and day difference with their approach to the business. Many of the engineers are ex-Big 3 but the culture is different. There is true accountability.
At the end of the day, you'll hear horror stories about ANY of the Big 3 and the transplants DO have some issues but the last 3 vehicles I bought were either Nissans or Hondas and I'm very happy with those purchases. Before that, I had 30+ years of either GM/Ford/Chrysler and ...never again.
T in NE
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All they have to do is clock the one they got now so that the key is vertical when in 'run'.
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