OT respecting our police

David G

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I am very upset with all the protests and lack of support for our police. I may be old fashioned, but believe if you attack or point a gun at police, you have whatever coming to you.

I would like to thank all the police officers that protect us.
 
I agree!Last week a 'local' man 'aimed' a bananna at an officer.Was disarmed at gunpoint and charged.
 
Make a poor life choice and suffer the consequences. Chris Rock has a video on YouTube about police. He has it right.
 
Thank you for posting. I am from SW MO and I can assure you that the events in and around St Louis have been an embarrassment to most of us. I have the utmost respect for all of our neighbors in uniform and all branches of the military. Strange times we are living in.
 
Amen, No matter what, any police officer wearing a badge deserves respect. They are just doing their job. Everyone seems to let one or two bad apples spoil the entire bushel. Most Police officers are just trying to make sure they make it home at night just like everyone else. They are forced to deal with the absolute dregs of society, no one should expect them to treat anyone like they are their best friend. They have to treat everyone as thought they are a criminal just to be safe.
 
I think most of the protesters are the outlaws just looking for reason to cause trouble.

Anyone watch the show last night on ABC "The year 2014"?

They made it sound like the kid in Ferguson was completely innocent.
 
I recall some folks expressed the exact opposite sentiment here a few months ago when the topic of discussion was one Cliven Bundy of Nevada.
 
Are you aware that a lot of those protesters are actually PAID ACTIVISTS??? They go from one protest to another, and are paid to be there and protest.
Those that are paying them have an agenda.
Those that are protesting generally do not have ANY VESTED INTEREST in what is going on. They are just paid to be there and hold signs. Makes it more dramatic for the new crews.
 
Huge dilemma when you see things like with the situation in staten island and Eric Garner. One can form their own opinion, I certainly have mine. I liked the one in New Mexico, kid on some sort of government property, again, form your own opinion, the video footage speaks for itself. None of this helps their, (police) side at all.

On the other hand, the people who wear the uniform, they risk their life, are supposed to uphold an oath, and have to deal with all kinds of people, problems, situations and risk, some are bad apples in the barrel, others may snap after too many years on the job, and what about the anomaly, the guy going for his wallet, and the officer opening fire, down south somewhere. So the police are on edge, one false move, you get shot ? He asks for ID/License, then when you got to get it, he thinks he's going for a weapon, reacts, and its not the case. What exactly does each side do to prevent this. Cops are on edge, they are here and I've heard it directly from the source in regards to use of lethal force. Best policy is not to be there, stay out of their way and well hidden if you need to. If people can't trust the law enforcement officers, and they are on edge, this is volatile, both need to step up and get past this nonsense, there's no need for any of it.
 
(quoted from post at 08:46:59 12/24/14) I think most of the protesters are the outlaws just looking for reason to cause trouble.

Anyone watch the show last night on ABC "The year 2014"?

They made it sound like the kid in Ferguson was completely innocent.

Look at how the media played the Martin kid. Showed pictures of him as a nice looking 13 year old instead of pictures with tats and mug shot when he was 16. Protest and riots make a big splash in the news. People tune in or read, it's big money for the news media. Good news doesn't get nearly as much attention. We as humans seem to thrive of death and destruction.

Rick
 
Perhaps if the news media would play over and over acts that shows the positive actions of the police instead of just the negative actions more people would see that side also.
 
Last time I checked you are supposed to respect everyone.

Sadly respect and common sense are traits that are no longer handed down. Parental failure has a high cost.
 
Just another reason why not to accept telephone solicitations.
Keep your donations local, within your community.
 
I believe it all goes back to RESPECT. Back in the day we were taught to respect the police. We were taught to obey the laws. In science class, I learned that for every action there is a reaction. If you point a gun, be it real, or a toy, at a person the natural reaction is to protect yourself at all cost. If you are not prepared to face the reaction don't do the action. My mother taught me the Golden rule. Does anyone know it today?
There are two jobs I could never do, Teacher and Police. It has never been in my personality to put up with any S**t. My daughter is a Teacher in a Big City school. The stories she tells about 10 year olds will make you sick. NO RESPECT. I'm proud of her, but I pray she never gets hurt. The no RESPECT issue has no Lines, it applies to rich ,poor ,black or white. It starts at Home.
If you want RESPECT you must give RESPECT... I'm just a old fool and what do I know. May God Bless You All.
 
The problem is not one or two bad apples.The problem is the thousands of their brethren who refuse to out those one or two bad apples.
Police often complain about the I dinseenuffin culture,when their own ranks are the biggest offender.
 
Unlike some, I happen in general to support the police. Unfortunately if you try to kill someone or point a gun at them you could end up getting killed yourself (by a police officer or a citizen in self defense), but some on the left may not like to hear that. To each their own opinion however.

God Bless police and firemen and our soldiers who put their lives on the line daily for the rest of us. Please support them but if you don't that's your choice.

John T
 
Generally speaking, I support our police.
I think in the incidents in Ferguson and New York the perps got what was coming and these protesters don't have a clue.
On the other hand, there are a lot of out of control cops out there. I was glad to see SCOTUS rule on the side of citizens taping or filming cops anytime, anywhere. There were a LOT of cops whose actions were Way over the line and the possibility of them being filmed has made some of them clean up their act.
Those that don't will be gone soon enough and I am glad to see it.
To me, cops are certainly not the enemy. But they sure aren't your friends either.
 
I'm old fashioned also, I may not agree with some of their decisions or actions. I fully support the police. I do admit, other than being an MP in the Army i haven't had a lot of interaction with them.
 
The question is: Who is paying for all those professional protesters???? Why isn't the media "following the money"?

There seems to be a highly organized effort by protesters to weaken our law enforcement and legal system. So who is organizing that effort and who is paying the bills???

It might be surprising to find out where the money comes from.
 
Media wont show them Chanting "what do we want? dead cops!" as it did on fox. Current admin fanned all this fire by immediately calling for investigations of police forces as if they're all evil.
 
I work with Troopers quite a lot, and they're like any other group of people - some aren't the greatest, but the vast majority are good.
Somebody may want to inform the protesters that the best way to keep from getting cross-wise with law enforcement, is to not break the law
Pete
 
I've has school teachers tell me that by the 2nd grade they can tell who the hoods & cops are. You just can't tell them apart...

My policy is: "I respect back"!
 
I've always looked at it as there are good and bad in every profession. In a profession such as law enforcement, it's really easy for the bad ones to seem plain evil due to the situations involved in doing what they do.

That said, due to those same situations, the officers often have to make split second, life or death situations. I'd love to see the armchair quarterbacks, that are always second guessing the cops, put in the same situations. Why not put them in a room with a convicted murderer who's sitting on death roe, and give the bad guy a gun. Now put a taser, a knife, and a gun on a table in front of his prospective victim, and see which choice they make. I think they will surprise even themselves......
 
Wearing a badge does not mean they are a person worthy of respect. A chief deputy was in on stealing a tractor from me, the county attorney told me he would not press charges unless he thought he had a 50% chance of winning the case. I reported it stolen, found out who took it and where it was, the deputy and his pal admitted to the Sheriff that they took it, and the Sheriff escorted the equipment truck out to get it and bring it back, at my expense. That isn't enough evidence to give it a go? Oh, and guess what, the county attorney and the NE Attorney General are pals! A couple years later the State Patrol was called to the chief deputy's house because he was threatening to saw his wife's head off, and the county was finally forced to let him go. Worthy of respect?
 
Pitch, do you actually know anybody in uniform? When is it that the THOUSANDS fail to point out the couple bad apples? You must be getting this from TV....because that's not how it is in the real world. Consider myself one of the thousands you refer to, and none of us have a problem getting rid of a bad apple. We don't dedicate our lives to serving YOU, and protecting YOU and then turn our backs on anyone who brings discredit to the job that we do. Grew up in a farm family and didn't have a problem pointing our the one or two crooked farmers in our area either. Bad apples are everyplace...last time I checked it didn't make all apples bad.
 
Ultra dog I responded to Pitch's post below. Not your friend, and not your enemy? Sounds to me like our current President is succeeding in his overall plan to destroy everything this great county stands for!
 
I think you would get more respect for the police by pointing out facts and statistics.
One weekend in Chicago 13 blacks were killed by blacks. 92% of Blacks murdered are murdered by blacks.
If you are in law enforcement and go in those neighborhoods, you have more nerve than I would.
 
(quoted from post at 12:27:59 12/24/14) Last time I checked you are supposed to respect everyone.

Sadly respect and common sense are traits that are no longer handed down. Parental failure has a high cost.

I respect the police I also expect them to respect me unless I show them a good reason not to.
 
Yes and no. In my area leos make it very hard to to respect them. It takes a minimum of 2 officers to do a traffic stop, shooting and killing a unarmed man in the back as he was running away, and generally just being shady. The flip side of that is that I was raised to know that if you grab a hold of a man, woman or cop something bad is gonna happen so I do every thing in my power to avoid situations like that! It seems to have paid off, never been in any kind of serious trouble with the law(tickets for speeding, drag racing, improper start) and have never been arrested. Dont get me wrong we do have some good cops, but it seems like that for every good one there are four that are just punks with guns and badges that are scared of there own shadow!
 
My opinions about the police have nothing to do with the stuff that's currently on the news, nor does it have anything to do with the guy who's currently president.
My opinions about the police have to do with personal experiences with them in the past.
 
Ya and the news media gets on and says we have no reason to fear the police I wish a dark skin on em the next life so they know what its like . Colored people are scared of any pig we can't eat with a fork end of story .
 
My parents taught me to respect and obey the law....It has served me well for 65 years as I have never had a gun pointed at me nor been arrested....

Yes,I've had several speeding tickets in MO and KS and deserved them..Most of the officers were nothing but nice and almost apologetic...Several times I just got a warning...One said it was because I was polite and didnt argue with him.

I would hate to be an inner city cop..What they go thru daily has to be nerve wracking....They constantly see the worst life has to offer....Yes,as in all professions there are a few bad apples that need to be weeded out.
 
In Texas pointing a firearm at a person is against the law. Second, police have to put up with a lot of crap. I have one for a friend and he said that there is just so much you can take. It builds up and all and like the guy today shot the kid 14 times, the one that pointed a gun at him, part of that is from pure shock of the attack and the rest could be just tired of the crap. Mentally it's over before you have had time to think about it.

Just the other day I read that the 1980's fiasco with Rodney King in LA was because he snuck up behind a police car on survellence and stuck a bannana up the tail pipe. I guess he thought that was real funny. Well I guess he found out that others didn't share his euphoria.

No way would I be a cop but we need them. It's a dirty job but it has to be done. Otherwise we would be like other parts of the world.

Mark
 
the problem is that the police here in NY have shot and killed numerous unarmed suspects--they claim they feared for their life and the grand jury's have not indited them--if an unarmed person is shot and killed (the last on shot 14 times) then they should have a trial to determine if its justified
 
I've read that 99.5% of all cops try to do their job well. But as in any profession the .5% give the rest as bad name. In this day and age the inner city cops are way under appreciated IMO. Part of the problem, with the way cops are viewed now days, is our nanny state laws. In order to do their job, cops are too often expected to enforce victimless laws. That leaves a bitter taste to some. However if you have a complaint about a cop it should never be handled on the street there is a right way and wrong way and if a citizen handles it the wrong way it can be lethal.
 
Let's get REAL... there's a LOT more than .5% of "bad eggs" in ANY line of work from us tractor "wrenches" to doctors to to teachers to clergy to cops.

Heck, it turns out that even the great Dr OZ gives bad advice half of the time!

How many guys that grow up mistreated or bullied become cops and turn the tables?

On the other hand there's some real devoted ones, and I am lucky enough to be friends with several of them.
 
In general I support law enforcement, but I also think dirty cops aren't dealt with in an appropriate manner. They're not punching bags or targets for you to shoot at and if you do so it should be at your own peril and you should be made to pay for that action if you're still alive.

That being said the last time I was stopped by a Law Enforcement Officer I was ticketed, the cop was a Tennessee Highway Patrolman. He was more interested in where I moved from then the actual crime. Then he proceeded to commit a felony in further process of that ticket, to wit he changed the appearance date on the ticket and provided that altered document to the courts and represented it to the court as genuine. I reality the ticket he issued me that included the summons to appear had a different date. The THP, the circuit Judge or the local District Attorney did nothing about this, he continued serving, falsifying documents and is probably collecting a pension now.

For 7 years I worked for our local county government, I can tell you the Sheriff and his Deputies (and I dealt with 3 different Sheriffs) were some of the most lazy and ethically challenged individuals I have ever worked with. Their attitude was one sided and if the law or code interfered with what they wanted they would try to use their Union to get what they wanted regardless of the law. The attitude was because they were cops they should have anything they wanted and have it right now. A new "armed response vehicle" ($260,000) no problem, Triple the size of the generator in the law enforcement complex ($750,000 to $1,000,000) so they can run the air conditioning and all of the kitchen appliances during a power outage WE WANT IT NOW! Never mind their generator request amounted to about 75% of the entire year's facility budget including both operational and capital expenditures, heck if we bought the generators there wouldn't be enough money left over to pay the gas and electric bills for the year.
 
Would somebody care to comment on how common place these abuses occur? The cop calling a dog over then shooting the "vicious" dog is another. No need to choke a suspect to death on the street with an illegal hold and walk away a free man.
The list of abuses is long.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/12/18/beating-victim-deserves-justice

Since military personal have returned from the serving in civil war against non uniform wearing combatants in the middle east. These personal leave the military and have taken bad habits and PTS to law enforcement jobs in the western world.
The "shoot first and ask questions later" model in public dealings is growing, not declining.
 
Scout 2008 I sit down to the table several times a year with 3 LEO's and depending on the holiday 1 or 2 retired LEO's.
I have heard talk of '"tuning up a scumbag". Bragging about having a woman experience a complete breakdown after traffic infraction.
So Scout when you pull over a speeder is there a ticket issued after you see the police Union sticker?
My BIL always drive when we go to car or tractor shows. We always get there in a very short amount of time by totlly ignoring the speed limit. Why ?Because he has that "get out of jail free"sticker on his car, identifing him as one of the band of blue.
Stories about driving a brother home instead of ticketing when he is hammered.
It goes on and on,Scout and I will call you a straight out liar if you deny it!
 
I have thought through some of the provocations that confront
law enforcement over the years. You never know what you are
up against and I think that is part of the problem.

Another is like a sheriff's deputy told me one day, "I deal with
this every day". Well maybe after awhile you just get full of it.
Maybe when somebody sticks a gun in your face it scares the ....
out of you and your mechanical insticts of self preservation take
over.

So you say "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen".
Well maybe that's easier said than done. I remember some 15
years into my career I wondered if I was in the right place. I
weighed the options and I couldn't afford to switch professions
that late with 4 kids to support. As it turned out I definitely
made the right decision.

No doubt I have known of some abusers of their authority and
sometimes question just why someone chooses a career of "to
protect and serve". Obviously numerous reasons, some good
some bad.

We are very fortunate where I live in that our sheriff is elected
and has been for at least the last 25 years. The county has
enough professional diversity that he has the funds needed to
get the equipment and manpower he needs. Nobody runs
against him as it is a waste of time. He runs a tight ship and is
totally professional. You send him an email about something
and you get an answer within 24 hrs plus a followup from one of
his division chiefs. I realize that this is not always the case in
other areas of the country.

So again I say, we need them and I support them.

Mark
 
Dick, so true and also the protesters are wanting to clear the way for when they break the law as they are planning it or already have a record for breaking the law. More likely than getting paid for it.
 
Cops are like dogs. Some are friendly and some are dangerous. WHY should you have to turn on the charm in order to protect yourself from a jerk who feels that he has the right to make your day miserable just because he is having a bad day or does not like your looks or attitude.
AND THAT IS A FACT
The law should be aplied to all people equally, reguardless of or devoid of any bias. If he chooses to not give a friend or relative a ticket for an offense, then he should not give it to any one else for doing the same thing.

SINCERELY
STEVEN D.
 
I must say that I am offended by your post. You are blaming veterans for law enforcements bad behavior. I am a veteran of the Iraq war. I have dealt with PTS and I don't shoot dogs or just pull a gun willey nilley and neither does any of the other veterans I know. and we were not fighting a civil war. although for a time we did get mixed up in some tribal issues. If anything our Iraq war vets are taught to positively ID a target. when we clear a house there were civilians and terrorists. A soldier has to learn to identify threats quickly and accurately.
why would you blame Veterans?
 
yes there are bad cops. just like any other job. some mechanics are top notch and some, well your car is more broke than when you let them work on it. some cops abuse there position and that should be dealt with. But as to the recent shooting. if you pull a gun on a cop that's what happens. and I am willing to pet id doesn't matter if your a Leperchaun if you pull a gun on any cop you will soon regret it.

I think people look at the militarization of our law enforcement and the media plays to the if it bleeds it leads theory and the public makes assumtions but never has it been so dangerous to be a cop. remember the crazy guy that gunned down 2 cops in las vegas then there was the in Virginia and disappeared off in the woods for a month. now 2 more cops were executed in NY the other day.
no wonder the cops are quick to draw. If I was a cop id want a tank and I bet any of us in there shoes would be worried about some nut job trying to execute us and we would all be a bit faster to draw our weapons. our cops should not have to worry about being gunned down just for being cops. its one thing to have to fight crime and be in harms way doing so but to have to fight for your life because you are trying to fight crime is totally different. this extreme pandemic of violence against our cops for being cops is the cause for the fast draw issue in our law enforcment
 
(quoted from post at 11:54:33 12/25/14) I must say that I am offended by your post. You are blaming veterans for law enforcements bad behavior. I am a veteran of the Iraq war. I have dealt with PTS and I don't shoot dogs or just pull a gun willey nilley and neither does any of the other veterans I know. and we were not fighting a civil war. although for a time we did get mixed up in some tribal issues. If anything our Iraq war vets are taught to positively ID a target. when we clear a house there were civilians and terrorists. A soldier has to learn to identify threats quickly and accurately.
why would you blame Veterans?

Because some of them are pre-stressed and pre-conditioned more than somebody not exposed to war.

Anybody here not remember that state trouper being way out of line arresting an on duty active firefighter for doing his job.
 
You may need protecting and are weak enough to believe that the police will provide that protection but I don't need their protection and know that it is imaginary at best. The law if for the law abiding these days, that's it, most of it is about revenue enhancement to feather their own nests.
 
Cliven Bundy and the people who stood with him are part of a woefully sparse minority that actually understand the threat, all brances of government but especially federal, centralized government, their jackbooted thugs and their enablers are the main enemy of the people of the USA. The founders understood this fact and sagely incorporated the necessary protections in the constitution.
 
Guess you better call me a liar Pitch. Not sure
where you live, but that stuff doesn't happen where
I live. Maybe 50 years ago, but not now. Your mind
is made up....we are all crooked. Merry Christmas
Pitch.
 
(quoted from post at 10:22:39 12/24/14) I am very upset with all the protests and lack of support for our police. I may be old fashioned, but believe if you attack or point a gun at police, you have whatever coming to you.

I would like to thank all the police officers that protect us.

From a retired disabled sheriffs deputy, Thank you.
 
You do realize that it has been proven that the local Fox news station altered the original soundtrack don't you ? They were not chanting what you say they were.
 
lots of that kind of stuff in Milwaukee now. a whole bunch of cases of disability fraud 100 % paid disability because they can get away with it. Litearly dozens of cases where officers claim some kind of hokey disability ,retire with full pay ,then start landscaping,and riding around on snomobiles.kind of hard to respect people like that.
 
Well, I sent a letter to the editor to our local newspaper.
It hasn't been printed.
Basically, I mentioned to all the protesters,
if they want to make a change,
then go into Law Enforcement
and become police officers.
They then, can learn, and possibly figure out,
why one that is charged with 'to serve and protect'
may react properly in such a situation.
I think they should walk a mile in the 'cops' shoes...
before judging law enforcement and reacting in such an ignorant way.
Just my humble opinion.
 

And then the Police have to deal with idiots like this...the 'dreaded' "Duct Tape Bandit!"


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The anti-police protesters have a lot in common with Ole Clive and his supporters: They like to feed at the gov't trough, they don't like to take responsibility for their actions, and they howl like scalded cats when law enforcement steps on their toes.
 
If you want to live in place free of pesky laws and law enforcement, you might want to move to Mogadishu. If you just want a sampler, try a few nights on the streets of our beloved Detroit.
 

And guess what?....He is back in jail again for another robbery offense. He got out of prison for the "Duct Tape Bandit" robbery, then decides to try it again...but, without the Duct Tape. I guess it must have hurt somewhat when removing the tape.



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Good or bad,all that separates us from total anarchy is law enforcement....We have had very few problems with law enforcement in my area..

We went to church with a retired Highway Trooper and some of the stories he could tell would amaze you...

I went to school with a great kid that became sheriff in an adjoining county...Some years ago he was shot to death by some thugs in an ambush...Just recently a deputy wearing a bullet proof vest was shot to death in that same county..Meth is thick in that area..
 
A problem in law enforcement is that there is no independent review of misdeeds by officers. There is an "internal investigation" or maybe an investigation by the DA's office (who is part of the system), but the details of the investigations are usually not made public, so how do we know if the conclusions are based on factual evidence?

I hope ya'll will read this article. It's by a former USAF colonel whose son was killed by a LEO. His idea is to have impartial boards who investigate shootings who are not currently connected with the police establishment, just like NTSB investigates aircraft crashes. I think the man makes a good argument.
http://concealncarry.net/blog/how-to-stop-cop-hunting-by-michael-bell.html

A quote from the article-
"Police “professionals” need to review “law enforcement” from a distance. Reviewers must be skilled in and knowledgeable about policing, but they must not have an institutional or personal stake (i.e., a lost promotion opportunity) in the process. Recently retired police chiefs or sheriffs, criminal justice or law professors, police trainers, former prosecutors or judges provide the right balance between professional familiarity and independence to review incidents of police-related deaths of a civilian."

IMO there needs to be a change in the country by law enforcement professionals to bring back the respect that they once had and deserved. Just my humble opinion.
Please read the link,
BillL
 
The matter at hand is were these people shot or as some call it murdered?My opinion absolutely not pull a gun you gonna get shot, these people are thugs career criminals.If i; a policeman and it comes down to me or you going home it's a no brainer.obey the law,something none of these people have done,nor have respect for.forget respecting police they have NO RESPECT FOR LAW IN GENERAL!Second the only people I see spewing hate and the likes is ol' rev. al and the likes along with yahoo running this country.Third such talk about dirty cops is true to a degree(but do they set out with the idea they're going to kill someone today,I think not) and will never be eliminated in any profession or any walk of life for that matter,bad and good everywhere just the way of the world.FOURTH the scumbag that shot 2 cops such a man why did he commit suicide afterwords,be a man stand by your cause,no cause there is none just a bunch of media blown out of proportion crap.
 
While I do for the most part respect cops I have a problem with the "serve and protect" line. To serve yes. The other part is react. Our constitution and laws make it where a cop can't arrest you for a bad thought. So they have to react to crime. And they are not pulling guard duty. So they really don't protect.

Rick
 
Somalia has about as much law as you can provide for yourself or your clan/tribe, not the worst system ever devised but the main problem is the people were long ago disarmed by a corrupt government, sound familiar? As far as the problem in Detroit, that's totally on you blue staters and the people you elect at all levels. Just like the ninth ward in New Orleans, but that trash does not venture outside their home turf because they would be blown down like the dogs they are in any other town in Louisiana.
 
(quoted from post at 04:22:09 12/26/14) The matter at hand is were these people shot or as some call it murdered?My opinion absolutely not pull a gun you gonna get shot, these people are thugs career criminals.If i; a policeman and it comes down to me or you going home it's a no brainer.obey the law,something none of these people have done,nor have respect for.forget respecting police they have NO RESPECT FOR LAW IN GENERAL!Second the only people I see spewing hate and the likes is ol' rev. al and the likes along with yahoo running this country.Third such talk about dirty cops is true to a degree(but do they set out with the idea they're going to kill someone today,I think not) and will never be eliminated in any profession or any walk of life for that matter,bad and good everywhere just the way of the world.FOURTH the scumbag that shot 2 cops such a man why did he commit suicide afterwords,be a man stand by your cause,no cause there is none just a bunch of media blown out of proportion crap.

What about the situation where it's not scumbags. b.t.w. even scumbags are supposed to have due process instead of Judge Dredd .
Did you see the article where the cops beat up a 48yr old Tim Hortons employee? Did you see the trouper on an ego trip arrest an onduty fire fighter at an accident scene for trying to do his job safely? These are the abuses were are talking about. Don't waste our time bringing meth heads into the conversation.
 
As many of you know I was a NYS Trooper for over 20 years. I know at least 2 of my co-workers are on this board too. I have the same respect for other police officers as I do anyone else. We should all be treated politely and with respect until something is done that dictates another course of action be taken. The problem with policing is you are going to be the bad guy in at least 75% of the cases for at least half the people. Someone calls and has a problem. You do what you can to make it right, if the law allows you to. The law doesn't always allow you to do what people think you should do. If the law doesn't allow you to fix the problem, then you are in the wrong, 100%, probably a lazy no good bum too. Other times you end up with someone you do have to take action with, a ticket or some other minor thing, and to the person on the receiving end you are the biggest pain the butt to ever come down the road. Doesn't matter what you do or how you say it, they are going to be mad. The fact it's something they did to get themselves in the situation isn't considered. The same thing goes for actual crimes and arrests. I will tell you this, I've been treated lots worse by middle class, pillar of the community types getting a speeding ticket or DWI than I have by most career type criminals.

Are there cops that have an attitude and are sick to death of their job or just have a poor personalty from the word go? Of course. The rest of tour society is like that too. People are people and we all have flaws. Every baby cop out there goes out on his first day ready to right the wrongs and save the world. 5-7 years later he's burnt out, disillusioned, shocked and cynical shadow of what he was. Push his buttons and you'll get just what you'd give anyone else if you were like that. It's a terrible career and a great one. Not everyone belongs on the job and not everyone is capable of putting up with the daily crap load of stuff from both sides and maintaining anything like a cheerful attitude. The job pushes you one way, the people you deal with push you another and you do your best to function within those parameters.

As far as outside agencies investigating police, you try dealing with IAB and see hows it goes for you. I've seen bad cops fired and arrested, I've seen good cops put through the wringer for NOTHING and I've seen good cops get the shaft a number of times. There is nothing at all fair about a system where you can make a completely anonymous complaint and it's handled like you showed up and gave a deposition. IMO, that's wrong. But either way, IAB or outside agency, they have an agenda to fry cops and that will be their agenda. They will work things that way, all cops are guilty until proven innocent. That would be the same as the majority here believes when they read a headline about an alleged issue with any police officer. People get all upset when a cop kills someone, but no one gives a rats hind end when a cop gets killed. That's your agenda and POV.

I hear people talk about the "us vs them" mentality. It works both ways. You speed, you get caught, you get a ticket, you dislike it. It colors your perception. Always been that way, it will always be that way. If I caught your neighbor doing 66 in a 55 and let him go but caught you doing 74 in a 55 and gave you a ticket I'm a jerk. If the roles were reversed I'd be a great guy and your neighbor would be a jerk for complaining. Human nature. You see the cop whizz by you at well over the posted speed limit and no lights on and you think he's out joy riding. The fact he might be trying to catch up to someone a mile ahead of you that was just involved in a hit and run or is the subject of an Amber Alert and he's trying not to spook the BG is lost on you. Or he goes by lights and siren and 1/2 mile later turns them off and pulls into a empty parking lot, you figure he's just driving that way for kicks when the fact he was on his way to a serious accident or something and got called off is lost on you. You call in a complaint and the cop takes an hour and half to get there. You're po'd but the fact the cop was at a personal injury accident when the call came in and is the only guy working that patrol area is lost on you. It's not your problem, all you know is you had to wait to report a burglary that occurred sometime between the end of deer season and Memorial Day. Then you're mad because the cop asks you if you know the make and model of the tv's and guns and chainsaws you had stolen! This is stuff that's happened to me a number of times. God's honest truth folks, not every thing that gets you mad in an interaction with police is the cops fault.

In the end, if we all obeyed the laws and treated each other respectfully it would go a good ways towards fixing a lot of our issues.
 
In the end, if we all obeyed the laws and treated each other respectfully it would go a good ways towards fixing a lot of our issues.

Amen.


Russ
 
(quoted from post at 09:44:43 12/27/14) As many of you know I was a NYS Trooper for over 20 years. I know at least 2 of my co-workers are on this board too. I have the same respect for other police officers as I do anyone else. We should all be treated politely and with respect until something is done that dictates another course of action be taken. The problem with policing is you are going to be the bad guy in at least 75% of the cases for at least half the people. Someone calls and has a problem. You do what you can to make it right, if the law allows you to. The law doesn't always allow you to do what people think you should do. If the law doesn't allow you to fix the problem, then you are in the wrong, 100%, probably a lazy no good bum too. Other times you end up with someone you do have to take action with, a ticket or some other minor thing, and to the person on the receiving end you are the biggest pain the butt to ever come down the road. Doesn't matter what you do or how you say it, they are going to be mad. The fact it's something they did to get themselves in the situation isn't considered. The same thing goes for actual crimes and arrests. I will tell you this, I've been treated lots worse by middle class, pillar of the community types getting a speeding ticket or DWI than I have by most career type criminals.

Are there cops that have an attitude and are sick to death of their job or just have a poor personalty from the word go? Of course. The rest of tour society is like that too. People are people and we all have flaws. Every baby cop out there goes out on his first day ready to right the wrongs and save the world. 5-7 years later he's burnt out, disillusioned, shocked and cynical shadow of what he was. Push his buttons and you'll get just what you'd give anyone else if you were like that. It's a terrible career and a great one. Not everyone belongs on the job and not everyone is capable of putting up with the daily crap load of stuff from both sides and maintaining anything like a cheerful attitude. The job pushes you one way, the people you deal with push you another and you do your best to function within those parameters.

As far as outside agencies investigating police, you try dealing with IAB and see hows it goes for you. I've seen bad cops fired and arrested, I've seen good cops put through the wringer for NOTHING and I've seen good cops get the shaft a number of times. There is nothing at all fair about a system where you can make a completely anonymous complaint and it's handled like you showed up and gave a deposition. IMO, that's wrong. But either way, IAB or outside agency, they have an agenda to fry cops and that will be their agenda. They will work things that way, all cops are guilty until proven innocent. That would be the same as the majority here believes when they read a headline about an alleged issue with any police officer. People get all upset when a cop kills someone, but no one gives a rats hind end when a cop gets killed. That's your agenda and POV.

I hear people talk about the "us vs them" mentality. It works both ways. You speed, you get caught, you get a ticket, you dislike it. It colors your perception. Always been that way, it will always be that way. If I caught your neighbor doing 66 in a 55 and let him go but caught you doing 74 in a 55 and gave you a ticket I'm a jerk. If the roles were reversed I'd be a great guy and your neighbor would be a jerk for complaining. Human nature. You see the cop whizz by you at well over the posted speed limit and no lights on and you think he's out joy riding. The fact he might be trying to catch up to someone a mile ahead of you that was just involved in a hit and run or is the subject of an Amber Alert and he's trying not to spook the BG is lost on you. Or he goes by lights and siren and 1/2 mile later turns them off and pulls into a empty parking lot, you figure he's just driving that way for kicks when the fact he was on his way to a serious accident or something and got called off is lost on you. You call in a complaint and the cop takes an hour and half to get there. You're po'd but the fact the cop was at a personal injury accident when the call came in and is the only guy working that patrol area is lost on you. It's not your problem, all you know is you had to wait to report a burglary that occurred sometime between the end of deer season and Memorial Day. Then you're mad because the cop asks you if you know the make and model of the tv's and guns and chainsaws you had stolen! This is stuff that's happened to me a number of times. God's honest truth folks, not every thing that gets you mad in an interaction with police is the cops fault.

In the end, if we all obeyed the laws and treated each other respectfully it would go a good ways towards fixing a lot of our issues.

Still does not excuse the abuses and crimes by LEO's. If you can't take the heat , get out of the kitchen.
They put a burned out ex swat team pycho cop in my kid's high school. Crazy SOB nearly shot a student because one kid had pharted on the other.
 
Still does not excuse the abuses and crimes by LEO's. If you can't take the heat , get out of the kitchen.
They put a burned out ex swat team pycho cop in my kid's high school. Crazy SOB nearly shot a student because one kid had pharted on the other.

I didn't make any excuses for abuses and crimes. Part of the problem is that any time you say something positive or in explanation regarding the police, you are called an apologist for abuse and crime or that you're blind to it. Not at all. I'm just giving you insight from the other side of the coin.

It's a common thing to say that anyone that "can't take the heat" should just quit. That goes for any other job too. If people worked like that we'd have a lot less professionals in all walks of life.

As far as the horror stories about psychos, etc. part of that is police unions. I'm not a big union supporter and I think unions, as opposed to collective bargaining units, area mistake in police work, fire, EMS and several other levels of gov't too.
 

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