Cattle Markets LIMIT DOWN , Non GMO demand ???

01gentdc

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Just flipped on Market Day Report ,Loox like Christmas Market Blues already caught up with us , All Cattle Limit Down, hogs having a bad waytoo ,,, Grain Markets aint nuthin to Smile about neither ,,. don't look for much improvement til after holidays ,,humn,,,.m,m ?...we just mite see a rally in mid January ...Cant figure out what Happened to our Market for non GMO corn and beans ,, no local demand , no premium ,all my non gmo sold so far this fall has gone as generic.. CGB Claims there is No Demand
yet , the media is bashin RReady ,.,.what gives
 
The news stories about GMO get the general public all riled up, but it's all about the bees and the monarch butterflies, not about what they're putting in their stomachs. They go to the grocery store and blindly buy whatever's cheapest on the shelf.
 
Heard that the price of meat in the stores has met it's resistance to buy level.

Packers have been losing $100 a head. So they need to lower prices.

Gary
 
Fund traders are pulling out as the year closes. Settling up and getting ready for next year.
Nothing any more complicated than that.
 
I will routinely read articles about this topic. It interests me because I have had GMO crops on my place for a lot of years. Claims like lower fertility in mice make me wonder if it is a good or bad thing. I see a lot of vague and unsubstantiated claims. These people who make these claims don't seem to realize that I live on this land where I grow these crops. My kids are there. I feed these plants to my animals. My family eats some of these animals. We also eat the plants. If you could show me something concrete that states I am harming my family by growing and using GMO's, I will be one of the first ones in line to stop. I think most people who grow these crops would agree. Maybe if they would throw away their energy drinks they could relax.
 
Lower fertility in mice? Maybe,but I think it must be Viagra for rats. Danged things are about to carry the corn cribs away. I'd say lol,but there are too many for it to be a laughing matter.
 
The few studies that do show substantial problems with GMO's quickly get hammered by the high powered lawyers for Monsanto, it's the way of the world today, does not matter what is real or right, if you have the most money and lawyers, your side always looks like the winner. The battle between GMO and non is long from over, I have seen plenty of studies, plenty of data, certainly appears to be a direct link to the start of the GMO's to the rapid increase in cancer cases around the world. Something has to be triggering this, GMO's may look like normal, however, to your body, they are anything but. I stay away from them as much as possible, it is extremely expensive to do so though.
 
I had the fuel man fill me up with gasoline this morning to get rid of some money before the end of the year. $1.91 without tax. I wish heating oil would come down that far.
 
It's wider than that here. Gas is $2.19-2.25. Diesel is at around $3.79. I got 1000 gallons of off road delivered a few weeks ago for $3.45.
 
How did you find a market for non-gmo?

My local craigslist usually has a buyer on there every once in while, but they want 50 bushels at a time, or small batches all winter. It's extra work and sitting on money, giving the crop time to get damaged possibly.

I prefer selling by the tractor trailer load, and shipping it off at harvest, before it gets a chance to have something bad happen to it.

With the numbers of good feeders coming off of farms, and people renting out heifers, and all the good hay available, I figured the beef market would get lean.

Supply and demand, I guess... The cure for high prices is high prices, and the cure for low prices is low prices. What scares me is that I don't see anyone slowing down on corn production thinking the price will magically rebound. I don't see that happening with a huge demand swelling (not with the blending wall and Chinese rejection of certain GMO traits) or a huge reduction in the number of acres planted.

Locally, the price of oats has doubled in the past few years as there is still a niche demand and more acres being run in corn or beans instead of oats, wheat and hay. $5 wheat and $4 oats looks mighty fine compared to $300 a bag seed corn to make $3 corn. Wouldn't you agree?
 
No doubt environmental and organic movements have influenced crop production in this country. There is a lot of positive information out there about GMO's being cost effective, using less pesticides and being more nutritious. You be the judge.
 
I don't think GMO in itself is a bad thing if it brings better nutrition to the table. It's the modification to accept chemical weed killers that people don't like.
 
So, out of curiosity, how would your body know that a tiny portion of DNA in your cornbread is not something that naturally mutated in the plant as opposed to being some bacterial DNA put there by Monsanto? Are you saying that people would develop diseases if they ingested the bacteria? Honestly, sounds like nonsense again. This is a natural material added to the plant DNA, not a chemical. What you are doing is crying conspiracy and not presenting facts. Statistics that show an increase in cancer worldwide since RR products were created are meaningless unless you tie the two together. Did you know more people die in the winter than in Spring? Must be something in the snow!

I'm listening, just the facts please.
 
That sounds like fun! If you can find a few bricks I'll run down and help you out with that. I bought a sweet little Browning semi auto a couple months ago. Haven't fired it yet.
 
Here's one source for answers. I don't see Monsanto's name there.

Besides,I thought every problem in the world could be traced to global warming?
GMO answers
 
Must be the GMO's doing it, because it has nothing to do with obesity and a sedentary lifestyle that most people now have.

I drive everywhere. I even drive from the house to the garage to get the truck. Then I drive to the mailbox. I get mad when I am too far away from the box to reach the mail deep inside and I have to get out of the truck.

Now, I'm preparing tax stuff before the end of the year, just incase section 179 extender gets put through with no time left in 2014- yanno... just so I know how much I have to spend at the last minute. anyhow... When I felt best and healed fastest and was strong and healthy was when I was on my feet, being able to touch my toes, and active all day long. Now, I am stuck here doing paperwork and I feel worse and it makes me not want to get up to go get the mail because I feel more tired and unhappier.

But, I bet it is because of the GMO's in my corn flakes. I'm not good at change, but I am good at knowing when I should change.

GMO, R-Ready, triple stack, RIB complete, pretreated, and drought resistant = $300 a bag to plant 2.42 acres. I think the problem is that public assumes it is an evil plot to take over the world because Monsanto protects their seed traits and sues BTO's who plant back without giving the seed company that $300 per bag. If bands like Metallica and Led Zeppelin can sue napster and win, and take college students to court for stealing music by downloading it illegally, no one is going to complain.

Fear of the unknown? Fear of technology? I have a nuclear power plant 17 miles from me. I'm more afraid of the 16 year old texting at 50 mph coming at me head on.
 
Hey Randy look again.......Within 30 seconds there was Monsanto, Amee Hood an "independent expert" who is connected to Monsanto.
 
30 seconds in to it where,just out of curiosity. Who better as an expert though? Somebody from an environmental activist group? If they're talking about their traits,that's who I'd want the answers from.
 
Amen. Those are the same folks putting their food in the microwave in a plastic container to heat. Nahhhh, that can't be bad for you. Never mind that people eat plants that are naturally resistant to these chemicals. All we are doing is genetically combining those traits. The fescue in my back pasture is resistant to 24D but I didn't plant it that way. Does that mean the animals shouldn't eat it?
 
I spray atrazine over Roundup Ready corn. If I'm gonna kill people and destroy the planet,I'm gonna cover all the bases.
 
Well said.. All those that are so strong against it are eating with their mouths full of cheap food. I would like to see where our farmers would be today without GMO seeds.
 

I think that is why China is rejecting the GMO traits that are unapproved. They want cheap food and they are smart. They know if we ship it to them and they reject it, we aren't going to take it back, we will sell it to another buyer in the area at a discounted rate. So, it could be getting sold to China, but at a discounted rate. It's not the whole country that rejects the trait, it's certain buyers in China.

So they stuff their mouths full of cheap food and use GMO's as an excuse for making it cheaper.
 
For a great number of reasons, but it was accomplished by something called fear mongering. It boils down to simple elementary economics aka money. If a country imports more than it exports finally the money runs out.

Because Europe's cost of production will always supersede that of the US, they have to have something "special" about theirs so that it can be sold at a premium to people who have been told by the powers that be that GMOs are dangerous for their health. If you weren't scared of the cheaper US grain why would you buy the more expensive European grain?

It irks me that some who went to medical school have the audacity to tell people that GMOs are dangerous. They have no reason to believe that other than they heard it somewhere from some study that is totally bogus.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... There has not been one single illness related to GMOs in the 18 years that they have been on the market.

Alcohol is man made and people die from it every day, even innocent people die from it everyday but you wont a whole pile of people trying to stop its production. No one, I repeat NO ONE has been found to have an illness linked to GMO consumption but yet there is a whole world of misinformed ignorant people trying to spread fear to stop their production despite their benefits.

I could go on all day about the fallacies involved with anti-GMO garbage but it's a waste of all of our time. I realize for the most part I'm singing to the choir here.
 
For decades we told them Stibestrol was safe for pregnant women despite all the birth defects, and that cigarettes were good for people despite the all the cancers. I don't know why they don't believe us when we say GMO's are perfectly safe too. LOL.
 
You forgot microwaves. Microwave ovens scramble the food molecules in dangerous ways.

I know this is true because I saw it on al gore's internet.
 
I am a little late in this matter, but it isn't just mice reproducing well yet, the local welfare recipients seem to keep the population numbers up! Seems since they say they can't find a job, all they can do is practice at making babies and filling out welfare papers! LOL
 
(quoted from post at 13:40:23 12/16/14) The few studies that do show substantial problems with GMO's quickly get hammered by the high powered lawyers for Monsanto, it's the way of the world today, does not matter what is real or right, if you have the most money and lawyers, your side always looks like the winner. The battle between GMO and non is long from over, I have seen plenty of studies, plenty of data, certainly appears to be a direct link to the start of the GMO's to the rapid increase in cancer cases around the world. Something has to be triggering this, GMO's may look like normal, however, to your body, they are anything but. I stay away from them as much as possible, it is extremely expensive to do so though.

Could you please post links to these studies, if they are peer reviewed?

Thanks
 
glyphosate (roundup) can and does cause spontaneous abortion in cattle. For years I investigated why my cattle in the January- March time frame ..from time to time and not every year ..abort calves. The problem is not pervasive, but does occur with some frequency. As an organic farmer, I was concerned that something in my farming practices perhaps was the culprit. I then tested all my water sources, finding elevated levels of nitrates/nitrites from time to time, but not at toxic levels. The problem only occurs when there is limited snow cover over frozen ground and it rains cats & dogs. The resultant "runoff" from neighboring chemically farmed fields to the east, which are somewhat higher in elevation than my farm ..makes it into my water supply. I have had occurrences where the cow aborted its calf less than 50 yards from a water source, on a number of occasions. I recently read that research has concluded that glyphosate, will, given the right circumstances cause spontaneous abortion in cattle. That was last winter..the cow aborted..was bred back a month later and a month ago dropped a healthy calf. Some studies say glyphosate breaks down, while other studies say that it doesn't... fascinating argument going on where money meets reality. As time goes on we are discovering more and more unintended consequences regarding agricultural chemicals and GMO plants/crops. Recent evidence is suggesting soil microorganism changes regarding soils that grow GMOs... and these changes are not for the good. Are we poisoning the environment ??? to a "Machiavellian"..I suppose it doesn't matter.
 
(quoted from post at 11:02:02 12/17/14) glyphosate (roundup) can and does cause spontaneous abortion in cattle. For years I investigated why my cattle in the January- March time frame ..from time to time and not every year ..abort calves. The problem is not pervasive, but does occur with some frequency. As an organic farmer, I was concerned that something in my farming practices perhaps was the culprit. I then tested all my water sources, finding elevated levels of nitrates/nitrites from time to time, but not at toxic levels. The problem only occurs when there is limited snow cover over frozen ground and it rains cats & dogs. The resultant "runoff" from neighboring chemically farmed fields to the east, which are somewhat higher in elevation than my farm ..makes it into my water supply. I have had occurrences where the cow aborted its calf less than 50 yards from a water source, on a number of occasions. I recently read that research has concluded that glyphosate, will, given the right circumstances cause spontaneous abortion in cattle. That was last winter..the cow aborted..was bred back a month later and a month ago dropped a healthy calf. Some studies say glyphosate breaks down, while other studies say that it doesn't... fascinating argument going on where money meets reality. As time goes on we are discovering more and more unintended consequences regarding agricultural chemicals and GMO plants/crops. Recent evidence is suggesting soil microorganism changes regarding soils that grow GMOs... and these changes are not for the good. Are we poisoning the environment ??? to a "Machiavellian"..I suppose it doesn't matter.

elevated nitrate levels and glyphosate are 2 different things. I don't understand how you connected the dots. Did you work with an agency to determine this? What else did you test the water for? what were the levels of glyphosate in the water?


It's this exact thing that you just typed out, that will be found on a google search of the internet and used as "proof" that glyphosate is bad. I really wish you would evaluate your choices.
 
(quoted from post at 08:02:02 12/17/14) glyphosate (roundup) can and does cause spontaneous abortion in cattle. For years I investigated why my cattle in the January- March time frame ..from time to time and not every year ..abort calves. The problem is not pervasive, but does occur with some frequency. As an organic farmer, I was concerned that something in my farming practices perhaps was the culprit. I then tested all my water sources, finding elevated levels of nitrates/nitrites from time to time, but not at toxic levels. The problem only occurs when there is limited snow cover over frozen ground and it rains cats & dogs. The resultant "runoff" from neighboring chemically farmed fields to the east, which are somewhat higher in elevation than my farm ..makes it into my water supply. I have had occurrences where the cow aborted its calf less than 50 yards from a water source, on a number of occasions. I recently read that research has concluded that glyphosate, will, given the right circumstances cause spontaneous abortion in cattle. That was last winter..the cow aborted..was bred back a month later and a month ago dropped a healthy calf. Some studies say glyphosate breaks down, while other studies say that it doesn't... fascinating argument going on where money meets reality. As time goes on we are discovering more and more unintended consequences regarding agricultural chemicals and GMO plants/crops. Recent evidence is suggesting soil microorganism changes regarding soils that grow GMOs... and these changes are not for the good. Are we poisoning the environment ??? to a "Machiavellian"..I suppose it doesn't matter.

Anything peer reviewed, or just personal observations? Ever collect the runoff and have it tested? Might be interesting to see what the chemicals were, and the levels at which they are present.
 
With all the sarcasim seen, there is no point in informing people with the other side of the story. Our bodies only know how to handle natural products, when you eat corn for example, our bodies know how to identify corn, and how to break it down, when our bodies attempt to break down that corn, and find there is "other" matter in the corn, the body identifies those "unknowns" as forein and will attempt to destroy it, which causes inflamation in our bodies. If you do not believe in natural health, or study it, you will never see or believe in it. I have seen more than enough proof that natural health, and natural eating can and does restore people to good health, and have seen remission for many years for people who were told it would not happen. Everyone has to follow their own path. I chose to try to stay as close to natural as possible.
 
(quoted from post at 14:14:59 12/18/14) With all the sarcasim seen, there is no point in informing people with the other side of the story. Our bodies only know how to handle natural products, when you eat corn for example, our bodies know how to identify corn, and how to break it down, when our bodies attempt to break down that corn, and find there is "other" matter in the corn, the body identifies those "unknowns" as forein and will attempt to destroy it, which causes inflamation in our bodies. If you do not believe in natural health, or study it, you will never see or believe in it. I have seen more than enough proof that natural health, and natural eating can and does restore people to good health, and have seen remission for many years for people who were told it would not happen. Everyone has to follow their own path. I chose to try to stay as close to natural as possible.

My chiropractor spouts that BS all the time. I trust him to bend my back when it hurts, or twist my arm as needed, but I never make the mistake of thinking that he is really a doctor or scientist of any kind. Either we will embrace GMO or there will eventually, down the road, be massive starvation on the planet.
 

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