IH 1086 or 1486 what size should I buy?

picassomcp · Nov 28, 2014

I am looking to upsize my equipment a bit. Currently have 3 tractors in the 70-80hp range,(706g, 756d and CaseIH 5220 2wd) looking to go to about 120 Hp so I can pull larger tillage implements, and to get into a tractor that can run a discbine for hay. Cutting with a haybine is just to slow. I'll likely sell the 5220 to fund the new tractor. I am partial to IH as I know them pretty well, and they sell for less than JD. I think a 1086 would fit the bill perfect.

While looking for one, I have found that I can buy a 1486 for about the same money. I realize I don't need a tractor this size right now, but maybe someday I might, if that's the case, then I would have what I will need already. Also, if I did have a 1486, I could maybe just run it 3/4 throttle rather than full throttle like the 1086 would require, if I needed more throttle it would be right there.

Also, while looking for a tractor like this, I have found several that have an electronic torque. I understand that this is an aftermarket upgrade to the factory torque. Are these good units? seems like you could get a much quicker shift than doing it manually?

There seems to be a lot of these tractors out there, most I am finding to be priced between $10k-$15k. Many about $12k. almost all, the a/c is not working.

I'm just wondering if bigger is better, especially if I can get bigger for almost free?

oldtanker · Nov 28, 2014

(quoted from post at 12:03:11 11/28/14) I am looking to upsize my equipment a bit. Currently have 3 tractors in the 70-80hp range,(706g, 756d and CaseIH 5220 2wd) looking to go to about 120 Hp so I can pull larger tillage implements, and to get into a tractor that can run a discbine for hay. Cutting with a haybine is just to slow. I'll likely sell the 5220 to fund the new tractor. I am partial to IH as I know them pretty well, and they sell for less than JD. I think a 1086 would fit the bill perfect.

While looking for one, I have found that I can buy a 1486 for about the same money. I realize I don't need a tractor this size right now, but maybe someday I might, if that's the case, then I would have what I will need already. Also, if I did have a 1486, I could maybe just run it 3/4 throttle rather than full throttle like the 1086 would require, if I needed more throttle it would be right there.

Also, while looking for a tractor like this, I have found several that have an electronic torque. I understand that this is an aftermarket upgrade to the factory torque. Are these good units? seems like you could get a much quicker shift than doing it manually?

There seems to be a lot of these tractors out there, most I am finding to be priced between $10k-$15k. Many about $12k. almost all, the a/c is not working.

I'm just wondering if bigger is better, especially if I can get bigger for almost free?

Yep go up a gear and throttle back a little or buy bigger tillage equipment. The 14 will in the long run allow you to pick up a little more land without having to upgrade tractors again. That is at least how I see it.

Rick

Owen Aaland · Nov 28, 2014

Physical size wise the 1086 and 1486 are the same. About the only difference you will notice is the 1086 uses the DT414 while the 1486 uses the DT436 engine. The dual speed PTO was not available on the 1486 but many of them have it installed after leaving the factory.

ajl · Nov 28, 2014

How big a discbine do you need? A 5220 would pull a 10 ft machine. Selling the 5220 and getting a 1086 would leave you with a yard full of relics. Nice novelty but not what you need when work needs to get done. A 5220 is a perfect hay tractor. You will find a 1086 not as maneuverable or as easy to shift. If you need a larger tractor for tillage work then sell one of the older ones and get an 86 which would be an upgrade.

Dave H (MI) · Nov 28, 2014

Everything Owen Aaland said and I will add that a lot of 1486 were turned up to the HP of the 1586 but they do not have the heavier rear end of the 1586. I would stay away from a 1486 that was over the factory rated HP. 1086 came with the dual PTO. I have dual PTO on my 1586...it is a nice addition. 1086 is just a nice tractor. Eventually I am going to want something to backup my 15 and the 10 will probably be what I get.

Bruce from Can. · Nov 28, 2014

I had a 5140/95 hp CaseIH and a 966IH , the 5140 with the nice cab and power shift is very easy to drive and nicer to be in . I know the 86 tractors were fitted with a better cab, but not close to the comfort of the CaseIH.I would dump the two older tractors, and step up to another 20yrold tractor. Sure this is a case of do as I say not as I do, I dealt off the 5140, and still have my 966, but that is another story.Bruce

WGM · Nov 28, 2014

Get a Magnum. You will never regret it.

CDN 400 · Nov 28, 2014

Just advice, but don't sell a newer reliable tractor for an older unknown.Keep the 5220 and buy another cheaper old horse.And this coming from someone who loves old red iron.

Adirondack case guy · Nov 28, 2014

By no means, swap off the 5220. That model is the best of the best MAXXUMS. It should easily handle a conventional 9'discbine or a 10' hydroswing discbine.
If you need a bigger tillage tractor swap off the old IHs for the either of the two 86 series tractors that you prefer.
You need to move forward, not bachwards. Sorry that I didn't answer your question about 10 verses 14, but neither of them will compare to the comfort and manuverability of the 5220 when mowing.

flying belgian · Nov 28, 2014

I have never owned a tractor that I wished had less power but I have owned several that I wished had more power.

caterpillar guy · Nov 28, 2014

I wouldn't get either of them. I would stay with the old bullet proof 66 series or go to a Deere. If you want convenience and comfort in the tractor with a user friendly machine then it is the Deere. If you don't care about luxuries then do the 66 series. The 86 series had the electric stuff that gave trouble like the tach and such.

fixerupper · Nov 28, 2014

I wouldn't limit the search to just one brand. People who are brand loyal are shooting themselves in the foot. That said, I have a 17000 hour 1086 I bought new and I can't say it's been apart any more often than other tractors with the same hours. There's always that famous TA that's a little iffy on dependability. The shifting isn't all that bad if worn linkage is occasionally replaced.

notjustair · Nov 28, 2014

I am a red man through and through, but I do have a special place in my heart for a couple of green ones. I have enjoyed every hour I have put on the JD 4440. They are an excellent tractor with the well known 466 engine. They are a great machine. They are old enough that the 466 is mechanical.

I still remember when we got our 1086. I thought we had gotten a Cadillac. It was such a step up from the 856 we had. I would encourage one of those, but honestly I think from a parts durability standpoint the 4440 wins out. You will probably spend close to 20K for a good one but you will never regret it. Make sure no one has abused the quad range.

The air conditioner on all old tractors is trashed. I may be the only person who replaces the compressor the same week it quits no matter what year the tractor. Those John Deere sound guard cabs don't have enough breeze to do without. Just assume that you will either have to fix the a/c on your new tractor or start saving up to fix the a/c on your new tractor. The new compressors are warranted for a year. I get about 370 days out of one it seems. The job is hard enough without making the tractor into a crockpot. I have used an open station tractor in 100 degree weather just so I wouldn't be trapped in a cab in the same heat after the a/c died.

JD Seller · Nov 28, 2014

I will add my two cents worth. Most 1486s around here were the "BIG DOG" on the farm when they where new. So most of them got the guts pulled out of them. So you might have more horse power but you also more than likely will have more wear on the drive line. So the more horse power would not be "free".

IF your stuck on a IH then I would chose the 1086 over the 1486 for what your doing. Keep in mind I bought a NEW IH 1086 and hated it so much I kept it less than 6 months. I still own a IH 1466 that Grand Dad bought new. I also still own the JD 4440 that replaced the IH 1086.

On any one of these 30+ year old tractors plan on fixing the AC and replacing the cab interior if you want a comfortable ride.

I will second keeping the 5220. It is much more reliable than the two older tractors. It and the 756 are much the same size tractor so I would keep the twenty year newer tractor.

T in NE · Nov 28, 2014

You're not going to find that much power difference between a 10 and a 14. I'd go with the 10. I don't find the sound-guard cabs much better than the 86 series, you don't have a huge muffler, intake, and door frame obstructing your view in the 86 cab. Or a console occupying the space where your right knee should be (the Magnum cabs have that same issue).

But I do second the motion to get a FWA Magnum. They just keep going and going and going and ride pretty good. And they run about 4 MPH faster than a 40 series JD on the road, if you have any distance to cover.

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