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rustyfarmall
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The Case-IH dealers went after the Kubotas because for a long time Case-IH did not offer a compact or sub-compact line of tractors, and it was the best way they could find to compete with the jap-deeres.
Our local Case-IH dealer changed hands, and the new owners did not want the Kubota line, but because the original dealer did such a good job of establishing the orange tractors in this area, the local New Holland dealer grabbed up the Kubota dealership in a heartbeat.
Seems like all the "small " dealers are being forced to sell out to larger dealers. Both of the local dealers CIH and Deere have changed their names in the last year. I heard the price of parts trippled in some cases. I have a friend working for another large CIH dealer and December they close, bought / merged into the larger dealership. All kinds of adds for help both sales and mechanics. Several friends affected. More price control cannot be good for the farmers.
Formerly PaMike
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It has really worked well for several of my local dealers. The Kubota line allows you to attract the yuppy homeowner that will spend 20K on a small loader tractor, and the contractor that want to buy their tracked skidsteers and excavators. We have 3 local Case dealers. Two of them also sell Kubota. The two that have Kubota can even out the ups and downs of the Ag market by selling to the Yuppy and contruction market, while the one that only has Case Ag sells to the Ag market only...
farmer boy
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Because Case IH and NH have don't have anything to compete with Kubota. They need to fill a void. Nobody really has anything that competes with Kubota. Up to(and including)the 25 series, Deere had something in the utility tractor department to compete with Kubota.
NO JD it is the other way around the CH fellows go to looking around and they were starving and the Kubotas were selling so if there was not a Kubota dealer there they jumped on the bandwagon. Right now and I know you are a John Deer man but the retail worth of a dealership is greater with a Kubota dealership than any brand out there. Like a BUDWISER BEER dealership very sought after. the first year we broke million in tractor sales we were one of only 7 other dealers nation wide. fast forward 10 years and if you are not selling 10 million you want be in the top 25 of the nation. Kubota has grown.. fast. I can remember when I took it the first time I saw a Kubota in a Progessive farmer I thought that is something. Now you see them in all kinds of adds. Company sure has been good to me.
Unless it is a stand alone dealer Kubota is hooked up with NH dealers here and have been going back to the Ford days. I don't know if the IH dealers back in the day did not value having Kubota. The behemoth Case and later Case IH chain dealer took a stance for a time against small farmers and weekenders by eliminating such lines as Cub Cadet and Bush Hog. I would have thought that teaming up with a dealer that had an extensive small tractor line as it was with Ford and later NH would be the last avenue but if you are not wanted elsewhere......
Pair-a-dice farm
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That's my thinking too.
730 virgil
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we have a fiend who has 3 Kubota tractors and is happy with them
Kansas4010
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Around here there are only 2 different chains of CIH dealers and they both sell Kubota. Drive by one of their stores and if your lucky you might see 2 maybe 3 red tractors the rest are orange. I'm not just talking about the compacts either. I'm not saying one is better than the other but you are seeing more around the area. The only John Deere dealer in the area is one chain and they are getting to big for their britches in my opinion. They don't want to deal with any smaller operations. I need to buy a newer tractor, at one time JD was all I would have looked at but now I'm shopping around and comparing. That basically means JD or Kubota around here.
My local CIH/Kubota dealer brought another building about a 1/2 mile down the road. A couple of months ago they started moving all the Kubota tractors to the new building. After asking around the dealership it was said CHI didn't want them selling Kubota in the same building. They said all Kubota would be in the new building by the first of the year.
I was to the CIH dealer a couple of weeks ago and they had moved all the Kubota tractors back to the IH building. So I don't know for sure whats going on.
Myself, I have both and would like to see them stay together at the same place.
I was to the CIH dealer a couple of weeks ago and they had moved all the Kubota tractors back to the IH building. So I don't know for sure whats going on.
Myself, I have both and would like to see them stay together at the same place.
Adirondack case guy
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JD,
The dealers are now CNH dealers. IH is out of the loop due to FIAT.
Around here the family dairy farms are all but gone, only BTOs left. A CNH dealer can't make a living dealing with them, but every home owner needs a lawn mower, and all of the newbi city landowners think they need a compact 4wd tractor with a mower. CNH doesn't have a good lineup in that catagory.
With Kubota now entering the higher HP tractor market, and haying and tillage markets, there is the posability that some CNH dealers around here will tell Fiat to shove it.
Loren
The dealers are now CNH dealers. IH is out of the loop due to FIAT.
Around here the family dairy farms are all but gone, only BTOs left. A CNH dealer can't make a living dealing with them, but every home owner needs a lawn mower, and all of the newbi city landowners think they need a compact 4wd tractor with a mower. CNH doesn't have a good lineup in that catagory.
With Kubota now entering the higher HP tractor market, and haying and tillage markets, there is the posability that some CNH dealers around here will tell Fiat to shove it.
Loren
mab570diesel
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ow do you figure that? new holland has a BETTER compact/ sub-compact tractor line-up than that orange thing.
CIH did not have a good compact until they became CNH. The NH compact and small tractor are good ones. NH still does not compete well in the lawn equipment world.
Also Kubota, NH and JD are the big three in the compact market. With Kubota being the big seller. I am not sure where JD and NH are anymore. I have not seem the numbers lately.
The CIH and Kubota mix started 10-15 years ago around here. So it predated the CIH/NH/Fiat merger/sale. I am sure that Fiat is not pleased with some of the dealers still carrying Kubota.
I would not be too comfortable with Fiat as the majority owner of any business I was involved in. Fiat, as a company, has been on shaky ground financially for years. The Italian government has bailed them out and Fiat is still not that profitable as a whole. The Ag division is but the car division is not.
Truthfully it would not surprise me for CNH to be sold in the future. Kubota MIGHT be the buyer????
Also Kubota, NH and JD are the big three in the compact market. With Kubota being the big seller. I am not sure where JD and NH are anymore. I have not seem the numbers lately.
The CIH and Kubota mix started 10-15 years ago around here. So it predated the CIH/NH/Fiat merger/sale. I am sure that Fiat is not pleased with some of the dealers still carrying Kubota.
I would not be too comfortable with Fiat as the majority owner of any business I was involved in. Fiat, as a company, has been on shaky ground financially for years. The Italian government has bailed them out and Fiat is still not that profitable as a whole. The Ag division is but the car division is not.
Truthfully it would not surprise me for CNH to be sold in the future. Kubota MIGHT be the buyer????
Why do the red tractors still say "Case IH" on the side? The "merch" upfront is hands down IH based at the red stores. To say that Fiat has pushed IH out of the loop is preposterous.
I can't speak to the economics of New York state versus Indiana but we really don't need homeowner lawn equipment/outdoor power products sales to keep the doors open. In fact, we don't have room for that kind of stuff in the way of our core business.
Aaron Hyneman
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Where at in Indiana are you located?
Our CIH dealer is on one end of town, we had a NH dealer mid town and the local Ford dealer started a K dealership on the other end of town out past the JD dealer. Through an internal family fracas, the NH dealer fired it's manager who was immediately scooped up by the new K dealer. The NH dealer ends up closing up shop within a year and the CIH dealer and the K dealer both go after the open NH spot on the map. CIH dealer claimed they automatically would win out since NH and CIH are parts of CNH so K has no chance. K said they'd get the NH based on their ex NH manager and his knowledge of the line and parts, his contacts with customers and his relationship with NH at the corporate level. K won out the battle and has NH and K selling side by side now, but without the old NH manager. They ended up dumping him off just like NH did, for more than just what took place on the sales floor.
If CNH was serious about keeping K off their lots, I can't see where CNH would have given the NH to the K dealer.
If CNH was serious about keeping K off their lots, I can't see where CNH would have given the NH to the K dealer.
A dealer has to have diversity to survive here. That is true for even John Deere dealers. The single theme dealers all died off some time ago. The local AC dealer was adamant about having few sidelines because combines were selling like hotcakes but then the 1980's came along and derailed that dealer. Grain farming has never been an overwhelming part of business in any area here so a lot of years a dealer is not going to move many planters or combines. I always thought even if I had a Deere dealership I would want significant sidelines if for nothing more than to bring prospects in that would not normally shop a Deere dealership. The chain Case dealer in the past got away with being light on the consumer products because it also held the industrial territories here. The only problem is I don't the industrial business is as healthy as it was a couple of decades ago. Could be why they snapped up Mahindra recently.
We have 4 stores, Gas City, Huntington, Logansport and Rossville. Spread across Central North Indiana.
I work out of Gas City, we have several tomato farmers as well as quite a few hay growers to go along with the corn and soybeans. We also have several popcorn producers up around Van Buren. For the area that is a pretty good mix that keeps us hopping.
None of our stores have room to add much OPP without adding on.
T in NE
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- Cambridge, Nebraska
CIH had the quad-tracks before Kubota had the half-tracks. It looks like they just adapted the track frame across.
But Kubota had the half-tracks for more than 3 years. I haven't drove OTR for 5 years, and the dealer on 74 east of Charlotte, NC, had on on the lot back when I was driving. Thought it seemed like a good idea back then for CIH to adapt the quad-track's frames to the Magnum.
But Kubota had the half-tracks for more than 3 years. I haven't drove OTR for 5 years, and the dealer on 74 east of Charlotte, NC, had on on the lot back when I was driving. Thought it seemed like a good idea back then for CIH to adapt the quad-track's frames to the Magnum.
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