Deer hunting neighbors - ugh

JML755

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I have 50+ acres of vacant land, mostly wooded. I own a house next to it and it is bordered by 1 dozen or so neighboring houses. I've told all the neighbors that I don't want anyone hunting it and I have it well posted. If I let one do it, others will want the same privilege. Last year I pulled a tree stand off of it and confronted one of the neighbors. He said it was his nephew's and he "had told him not to go back there". He appreciated me bringing back the stand and said he "understood" that I didn't want anyone hunting it.

This year, on opening day, I got a call from another neighbor who said 2 other neighbors (one of them the one with the nephew mentioned above) had shot 2 deer on my land that morning and were planning on going out there again later that day. I drove over and met the one neighbor at his garage. There were 2 deer hanging inside in plain sight. He was pretty proud of them and even told me where he got them on my property. I reiterated that I didn't want anyone hunting on my land and his response was "I understand". No matter what I said, he would not say he'd stay off of it. Lots of smiles, nods of the head. He's a nice enough guy, but this really PO's me. Currently there's an 8 ft high cyclone fence between his property and mine that is missing a section for about 125'. I was planning to put in a field fence in the gap like I've done along my other property lines and even planned to put in a gate between him and me. Now, I'm thinking of filling in the gap with 8' high cyclone. NO gate. He could still get on my property but it wouldn't be nearly as convenient or easy. Right now, he can just walk on back.

The point is that most of my neighbors (who are hunters) respect my wishes and I'm sure are ticked off that this guy is reaping the benefits of using my land for hunting. My next discussion with the guy will be that the Sheriff will be called if anyone sees him hunting on my land.
 
JML,

It hurts me to read what you've written. I hunt, and with agreed permissions, as long as I obey and respect the owners' words.

Dang tough to be neighborly when you get stepped on and been pushed into a corner; now is time to get the law involved.

Shame there aren't more hunters that appreciate the generosity of others.

D.
 
what kind of state laws are in place in your state. we do not have to post any land and if any one trespasses they can and will be arrested no if or buts about it.we have no problems with trespassers
 
Call the game warden now and have him pay them a visit. I battled
trespassers for years and didn't have much success until I caught
them in the act and called the game warden. About the same time
my neighbor caught 2 guys and prosecuted. That finally slowed it
down and I haven't had any problems since. Lots of these
trespassers are very bold because they do it for years and nothing
ever happens. If they have to pay up they will find an easier place
to go.
 
What city and state are you in?

I have a wooded lot and I have given only 1 guy (a buddy of mine) permission to hunt in the back of my land. He put a broadhead arrow through a doe last year, he was in the tree stand for 20 minutes and got it.
Every year I walk in the back of my land with a loaded 12gauge during hunting season looking for trespassers that may not be friendly. What erks the crap out of me is the guys that think it is their right to trespass and hunt on property that is not theirs. I have not come upon anyone yet that is a bonafide stranger. (it might get ugly if I do)
 
Turn him in now not latter or he will keep on doing it. Give a guy like that an inch and he will take a mile
 
I agree that this guy is giving honest hunters a bad image. It sounds like your neighbor does not comprehend what he's doing and really doesn't care. More than likely he is has making plans to go back next year if not next weekend or tomorrow. He may also be bragging to his buddies about what a great place that is to hunt. More people will likely be in there again tomorrow. If the law confiscates a kill or some guns it may change some minds.

Good luck.
A fence is pretty expensive. If you can, try to describe the problem to your sheriff or game warden so they are aware of the problem and they can also advise you what to do next.

Have your camera ready, next time some one is in there take a lot pictures and call the game warden or sheriff.
 
Your poaching neigbor is not a good neighbor and is a lousy hunter.

First things first. Report the suspected incidents to DNR. Like lawyers, there are things that I hate about those guys, but there are times when they are needed and useful. Secondly, fix the fence, and if its on the property line, send him a bill for half of it. Put plenty of no trespassing signs facing his property to rub it in. I conceal carry in general and open carry on my property especially this time of the year, but my advice to anyone that does, be careful because poachers, well, they are poachers and laws or someone else's private property mean nothing to them. What else means nothing to them?

Good luck.

Mark
 
(quoted from post at 16:20:01 11/22/14) I have 50+ acres of vacant land, mostly wooded. I own a house next to it and it is bordered by 1 dozen or so neighboring houses. I've told all the neighbors that I don't want anyone hunting it and I have it well posted. If I let one do it, others will want the same privilege. Last year I pulled a tree stand off of it and confronted one of the neighbors. He said it was his nephew's and he "had told him not to go back there". He appreciated me bringing back the stand and said he "understood" that I didn't want anyone hunting it.

This year, on opening day, I got a call from another neighbor who said 2 other neighbors (one of them the one with the nephew mentioned above) had shot 2 deer on my land that morning and were planning on going out there again later that day. I drove over and met the one neighbor at his garage. There were 2 deer hanging inside in plain sight. He was pretty proud of them and even told me where he got them on my property. I reiterated that I didn't want anyone hunting on my land and his response was "I understand". No matter what I said, he would not say he'd stay off of it. Lots of smiles, nods of the head. He's a nice enough guy, but this really PO's me. Currently there's an 8 ft high cyclone fence between his property and mine that is missing a section for about 125'. I was planning to put in a field fence in the gap like I've done along my other property lines and even planned to put in a gate between him and me. Now, I'm thinking of filling in the gap with 8' high cyclone. NO gate. He could still get on my property but it wouldn't be nearly as convenient or easy. Right now, he can just walk on back.

The point is that most of my neighbors (who are hunters) respect my wishes and I'm sure are ticked off that this guy is reaping the benefits of using my land for hunting. My next discussion with the guy will be that the Sheriff will be called if anyone sees him hunting on my land.

This kind of post comes up every year. It's kind of hopeless. The truth is most hunters are only as honest as they have to be. They will bend the rules as far as they can. I let 1 guy hunt on my property, but it's over at the end of the season. It worked out for a few years, but now his friends are out there, and nobody notified me of anything. And his kid's friends have shown up, without notice. All of my neighbor's have stopped hunting on their property. Some of them farm hundreds or thousands of acres. It's just too big a liability, and quite frankly, a pia. Btw, ask your insurance agent about folks hunting on your land - I'll bet he will tell you heck no! Think about it, guys climbing trees with guns. Many older, out of shape. Some of them drink a bit. What could go wrong....?
 
Go to the local law enforcement office and fill out a No
Trespass notice against any of the fellows that are going on your property.Here a deputy or police officer will deliver it to them and explain to them they'll be guilty of Criminal Trespass if they come on your property that should get their attention
 
Can you find any gut piles on your land? If so call the game warden, he might be able to connect that to those deer that are hanging in your neighbors garage. Busted!
 
JML755: I have fought this for most of my adult life. Most of the hunters are guys that DO NOT own a darn thing other than a house on a lot. I have not had the time to HUNT on much of my ground as I am usually WORKING to PAY for that ground!!!!!!

Most of these guys also go to foot ball games on Saturday and Watch football on Sunday. Once again I usually am working on Saturday and doing chores on Sunday too.

I have NOT allowed any hunters on my land now for over 10 years. I got tired of the HASSELS. I still have hunters every year. I have called the law on this and nothing much is done. Sheriff "told" some guys a few years ago to not be there hunting. WOW what a BIG punishment!!!!

Non-landowners think that us landowners are being "MEAN/Selfish" for not letting them hunt on ground that is just there for them to use.

I would rather lose some crop to deer as deal with the trash and junk left behind by the "hunters". I also have not had any deer cut my fences yet but I sure have had hunters cut them!!!

I would have had the law called before I went there the first time. In most states if a hunter hunts on land without permission and it is provable then the hunter is in trouble and may lose his gun/kill/hunting rights for years.

Our "fun" does not start until Dec. 6th. this year.
 
Talk to the neighbor that told you about this trespasser. He probably saw more than he told you. Ask him to go with you to the game wardens office, and give a statement, while you file a complaint. With his testimony and yours re the hanging deer, plus a couple of gut piles, tires tracks that match his vehicle, the GW will probably arrest him.
This is what GW love to do . actually bust a poacher. Brownie points for them.
 
I used to have trouble with hunters and I finally figured out that there is almost no way to keep them out and the law is more interested in what is going on in the coffee shop. One year I let it be known that everyone was welcome. the 1st day of season there were probably 20 hunters on my 300 acres. By 9 o'clock nearly all were gone and I haven't had a problem since. Of course It might have been because the day before I spread 2 tons of chicken litter to the acre. :lol:
 

Three years ago let a man hunt our 50 acres , I told him stay out of the the tree stands and blinds, Guess what he used a tree stand lost his footing and broke his leg and ankle, Guess Who paid for his stupidity and ignorance.
Your right we did for a tune of $21.000.
That’s B--- S---.
Now every one is P.O. with me that no one hunts that 50 acres and I do have it posted with cameras on it and we check the cameras every other day.
And I will and have filed charges on some people.
Now I will shut up because if I don’t I might something I should not say.
Because you know in this world to day it just takes one word to offend some one because they can not handle the truth.
Jr frye said that Im out of here.
 
I would have asked him strait to his face "Did you get these deer off my place? Did I not tell you that you are not allowed to hunt or be on my Property? If he answered yes to both I would have called the sheriff and the game warden and pressed charges. It like you said if you let one hunt when they will all want to hunt and you don't want anyone on the place.

The woods on my place is part of an old farm that was sold years ago when the owner died, His kids own the ground behind the woods and they still think they have the right to go back and cut wood and tell other people its ok to hunt the woods. I had the sheriff go talk to them to explain to them that they have no rights or reason to go onto my property for any reason, He told me they kept saying well it use to be daddy's farm and we use to go back there all the time. He said he told them " IT use to be your dads and now it belongs to someone else now" So you are not allowed to be on that property now or tell anyone they can hunt back there. Its been 10 years now and they still do it. Some people never learn. Bandit
 
I think I have a harda** reputation in the neighborhood. We had some poachers in the area and I made it perfectly clear what would happen if I caught them on my land. Now they either call or stop to see if they can retrieve a wounded deer. I still may get played for a sucker, but so far so good. I used to start walking shortly after daylight. I kicked the same guy out three years in a row. I think he finally figured he wasn't going to get much shooting. Haven't had a problem since.

I hunt too and I always ask for permission, boundaries, hazards, etc. Even on my own land I don't run dogs the first week of deer season and mid-day after that. Not tooting my own horn, I just treat people and their land the way I'd want to be treated. These jerks spoil it for all of us who hunt ethically.

Larry

Larry
 
JML755,
I believe you and I'm sorry this kind of crap has to happen. I would have called the GW first and then go over to the neighbor with him in tow.
An I would not hesitate to have someone, even a neighbor arrested - though I would probably let the charges drop before trial.
On the other hand, these kinds of stories show up on this board about this time every year.
I personally think about 50% of them are pure BS and the other half are exagerated.
I just do.
A lot of people here live in their idillic little country place and really aren't aware of what it's like where most of America lives.
So one story about a bad hunter gets told and retold many times.
Here in Minnesota there are about 270,000 deer hunters every year. I don't doubt there are all kinds of dumb, dishonest, crappy people in that bunch.
They usually kill a couple of hunters each year due to accidents.
St Paul, MN has a population of about 270,000.
Most of them are unarmed.
Yet they still murder about 100 people a year, commit 500 rapes, thousands and thousands of burglaries, robberies, muggings, car jackings, theivery and every possible kind of petty crime such that tresspassing doesn't even count.
And St Paul is comparatively a safe city to live in.
You guys with your annual b1tching about hunters ought to stop and think about how most of America lives. Then count your blessings instead of ranting all over the place - especially in this week of Thanksgiving.
And a pop can or McDonalds bag left on your land is not a big deal. I pick up 10 pieces of trash in the street in front of my house every month.
I just dispose of it don't come on this board and whine about it.
It's the world we live in now days and it's not getting better.
Hunters as a group are overwhelmingly an honest, safe, considerate bunch of people.
Be glad they are gunning for deer and not you or your daughter or wife.
 
Y'all need to be more persistent. When I bought my place there was a young family who had one kid a year and were pretty close to 6-7 last I heard. I bought the place with an existing tenant and he had wheat on it so we stayed off the fields until July harvest. At that time I found that this guy up front had mowed a lane down the center of the place for about 3-400 feet and his kids were using it for a motorcycle trail. I asked him to stop it. He said "why". I said because I don't want your kids getting hurt back there. He said "we aren't worried about it". So over the course of a few weeks, I fenced his 2.5 acres off the place with a wire farm fence and posted signs while his kids stood in their yard yelling "get off our farm". Next time I went out, fence is broken down in the back from kids going over it. So I called the sheriff and there was a discussion and that was the end of the trespass...which also included poaching, dumping and God only knows what else. They moved away within a year. Sheriff will help you if you explain it to them properly.
 
You are an enabler........you should have called the sheriff while you were looking at YOUR deer in his garage. Why let him get away with it?
 
(quoted from post at 18:48:36 11/22/14) JML755: I have fought this for most of my adult life. Most of the hunters are guys that DO NOT own a darn thing other than a house on a lot. I have not had the time to HUNT on much of my ground as I am usually WORKING to PAY for that ground!!!!!!

Most of these guys also go to foot ball games on Saturday and Watch football on Sunday. Once again I usually am working on Saturday and doing chores on Sunday too.

I have NOT allowed any hunters on my land now for over 10 years. I got tired of the HASSELS. I still have hunters every year. I have called the law on this and nothing much is done. Sheriff "told" some guys a few years ago to not be there hunting. WOW what a BIG punishment!!!!

Non-landowners think that us landowners are being "MEAN/Selfish" for not letting them hunt on ground that is just there for them to use.

I would rather lose some crop to deer as deal with the trash and junk left behind by the "hunters". I also have not had any deer cut my fences yet but I sure have had hunters cut them!!!

I would have had the law called before I went there the first time. In most states if a hunter hunts on land without permission and it is provable then the hunter is in trouble and may lose his gun/kill/hunting rights for years.

Our "fun" does not start until Dec. 6th. this year.

All the farmers in this area do not allow hunters on their property. Lots of landowners have been sued when some dufus hurts himself.
 
(quoted from post at 20:05:09 11/22/14) JML755,
I believe you and I'm sorry this kind of crap has to happen. I would have called the GW first and then go over to the neighbor with him in tow.
An I would not hesitate to have someone, even a neighbor arrested - though I would probably let the charges drop before trial.
On the other hand, these kinds of stories show up on this board about this time every year.
I personally think about 50% of them are pure BS and the other half are exagerated.
I just do.
A lot of people here live in their idillic little country place and really aren't aware of what it's like where most of America lives.
So one story about a bad hunter gets told and retold many times.
Here in Minnesota there are about 270,000 deer hunters every year. I don't doubt there are all kinds of dumb, dishonest, crappy people in that bunch.
They usually kill a couple of hunters each year due to accidents.
St Paul, MN has a population of about 270,000.
Most of them are unarmed.
Yet they still murder about 100 people a year, commit 500 rapes, thousands and thousands of burglaries, robberies, muggings, car jackings, theivery and every possible kind of petty crime such that tresspassing doesn't even count.
And St Paul is comparatively a safe city to live in.
You guys with your annual b1tching about hunters ought to stop and think about how most of America lives. Then count your blessings instead of ranting all over the place - especially in this week of Thanksgiving.
And a pop can or McDonalds bag left on your land is not a big deal. I pick up 10 pieces of trash in the street in front of my house every month.
I just dispose of it don't come on this board and whine about it.
It's the world we live in now days and it's not getting better.
Hunters as a group are overwhelmingly an honest, safe, considerate bunch of people.
Be glad they are gunning for deer and not you or your daughter or wife.

It isn't a story I've heard about, it something I've lived with for 30 years. I used to hunt myself, but it was on state land in the UP. I never left trash in the woods. I never built a tree stand into the trees. I didn't stop and take a crap 100 ft from somebodies house - my wife interrupted some axxhole taking a crap one morning on the way to feed the chickens. I am sorry, but you are wrong. The average hunter will do whatever he can to get a deer. And he will do it with the least effort possible, with zero regard for the property, because it isn't his!!! And when busted, he will whine about how it isn't fair that you have "all this property" and he has none. If somebody wants to hunt, let them go to work and buy their own place. fxxx 'em!!
 
Ultradog MN: Why don't you let us "whining" landowners know where you live so we can all come up and use your ground/yard without your permission??? Maybe not hunt but how about a BIG cook out with all the garbage left in your yard.

Sounds crazy worded like that but that is exactly what too many hunters do.

I have fences cut every year. More Coon hunters then deer hunter do that but I get some deer hunters that do it too.

I have had cattle shot with deer slugs. One real nice registered Hereford heifer. She was wounded but never really did well after that.

I don't even walk across a neighbor's land without asking let alone hunt the ground.

I have a real nice woods with a lot of Hickory trees. There usually is a bunch of squirrels there. I love watching them run around. In real bad weather I spike ears of corn out for them to eat. A few years ago two fellows from Cedar Rapids went squirrel hunting there. Just about cleaned them all out. My middle son caught them. Called the game warden. He charged them. They each got a $500 fine but part of it was suspended. The woods still does not have as many squirrels as before. This is DIRECT loss to my PERSONAL enjoyment of MY land!!!
 
his point is, most people who live in houses, on lots, with a lawn, place alot of respect on a lawn, and zero respect on adjacent farm land. They treat it like no one owns it, because it is simply not a lawn. I have lived in both and it was actually that way for me as a kid too. When I bought my place years back, the first thing I did was spend $1,500 to get it surveyed. Then, installed fences along 3 sides for the livestock. As it turned out, my driveway was NOT on my property, the next door farmer was planting 10' onto my property (1,000 foot long field) and the 'lawn' guy next door tried to explain a big tree was the true property line (10' onto my property)Since then, my other 'lawn' neighbors are now mowing 10' into my hay field, all THREE OF THEM!!!!! yes, sad to say, 'lawn' people have no respect, city people have less.
 
(quoted from post at 20:43:01 11/22/14) JML,

It hurts me to read what you've written. I hunt, and with agreed permissions, as long as I obey and respect the owners' words.

Dang tough to be neighborly when you get stepped on and been pushed into a corner; now is time to get the law involved.

Shame there aren't more hunters that appreciate the generosity of others.

D.

I agree with Dennis, it's sad for me as a hunter and supporter of hunting to read this. Slob hunters, a category this guy falls into, have always been the worst kind of person as far as harming hunting.

I think you should call the police about the matter.
 
In Texas the nice neighbor can bail himself out of jail and pay a
$2000 criminal trespass fee acquiring for himself a criminal
record. Texas doesn't look litely on people who don't respect
the property/rights of others and has recently tightened the
noose.

One call to the Sheriff does all and when he gets there and
confronts the trespasser the only way he isn't going to jail is to
have a written permission slip on his person from the land
owner.

Some trespass markings are as simple as a purple ribbon on a
tree.

Mark
 
I have been a hunter all my life and consider my self to be a sportsman. I have always been willing to work hard for the game I bagged. Sadly a high percentage of the people that call themselves hunters are actually just killers. If they could shoot a deer out the truck window they would. No effort, no skill, no ethics.

That is why they trespass, because asking is too much effort and they know that you would size them up in two minutes, and know that they were people you do not want to be associated with, at work, play or church.
 
We landowners should be thankful that our families aren't being killed just the animals on our farms?What are you smoking?And saying hunting is
great because fewer people get killed doing it than some thugs and criminals kill in some big city?What?
I hunt and have a couple great fellows that hunt my place also but I can can tell you from experiences that there are plenty of Idiots,jerks and down right criminal element that hunt and its getting worse not better.
 
JD Seller,
You and I have been down this road before.
You stated your opinion in the original thread and I stated mine.
That seems fair enough.
So why reply to me?
Vapid analogies about cook-outs in my yard do not convince me. They do not advance your argument.
You go out of your way to paint hunters in a very bad light. And you do it with a very broad brush.
If you did that with other groups (think racial or se-ual groups) you would be called out for it.
If you insist upon badmouthing all hunters based upon your experience with a few you will likely get called out for it.
And if you scold me for voicing an opinion that differs from yours then you will likely get an argument.
 
I have a neighbor with a cabin on 2 acres that is
the only house up there . We own 165 and I let just
about anyone who asks . He brings carloads of his
buddies and they sit on my north border. Last year
opening day I drove my truck all around blowing the
horn . This year there was one guy in a stand facing
the other way . We've had problems with them forever
, don't know if this cures it but it did slow it
down . As far as our idyllic country life we should
not need to worry about trespassers or trash in the
woods , pick it up and not whine , huh that's why my
nearest neighbor is my mom and that's a quarter
mile.
 
One of the the things that stands out is that people today, do not acknowledge posted signs, and the law is difficult to enforce, as well as not being harsh enough to deter a person with enough attitude to enter lands that are posted. At least in NY it is. In this area it seems so and of course with it being a common situation, law enforcement becomes irritated at times, when they receive a call about it, and our other favorite violator, ATV riders.

The other thing is, why don't people take the time to politely ask, explain their situation, and show some respect for the person who has at their expense, bought land ??? Sure I am aware of the fence cutters, slobs and other types that don't have a sense of respect or appreciation, but there plenty out there who are not like that and would highly appreciate the privilege of having permission.

No one asks any more, and no one respects posted signs at all, as I see locally.


About the best you can do is fill in the gaps of the fence, see what you can do with perhaps some game cameras or something hidden to positively ID the violators, then use the law. At that time, you'll want to be prepared for escalation, trespassers can be a spiteful, vengeful, and dangerous element as I have seen from experience. People in general, can just be a real miserable pain to deal with at times, and it seems there is a fair amount of that contained within those who exhibit determination to continually and repeatedly enter lands that are posted, empowered by the fact that most larger tracts of land, are usually never patrolled, given the size, the expense and the time required, hence their empowered exploitation, and... "whada ya gonna do about it?" It's often exacerbated by people new to an area or, or a new land owner who suddenly changes things, or the status of the perimeter and any or all assumed permissions by long standing residents that have been on the land prior too. If you want an example of this, then click on the link below, the first story, a long time friend, I hunted on this land during all of this, not so much for hunting lets say, the article is truthful, I've never seen a more miserable bunch.

The one thing the article does not mention is his former military affiliation, he was a well trained soldier and an extremely talented fighter, was a lot of fun to spar with LOL ! It's surprising he never really engaged this element, and I know the area quite well, those who reside there are lets say a rare and isolated breed, maybe add a prefix of "in"......

It just shows the determination of the trespassers and how a situation can escalate into something very serious.

Myself and another friend had an open invitation to hunt this land, well we were welcome, and one evening after a successful hunt, while field dressing it, a white unmarked van slowly approached the very long lane to his house and outbuildings. They could not see us, my first instinct was to retreat to some cover and literally set up on this van, when it arrived, the door opened and it was a very attractive lady from fox news, they wanted the story, and it was filmed in front of us and broadcast later that evening.

I've never seen or thought a situation like this possible, and is why I mention being prepared for escalation.

I learned from this situation and so far have successfully kept it from happening here on this land, which is surrounded at a distance by small neighborhoods, of which, some hunt on the adjacent farm lands and everyone of them is a lousy shot, based on fact, numerous shots every year and the wounded deer I have seen or found.

So as many good respectful hunters that there are, there are also some of the worst hunters out there, like with any denomination or class of people, its just how it is, the complexity of the human race with all its problems.
Link
 
I do allow a certain amount of hunting as we have a severe over-population of soybean destroying deer. I have the hunters sign a permission slip, that they must have on them, that outlines my stipulations for them to be on my land e.g. liability disclaimer, sharing some of the venison , letting us know when they are hunting, etc. It is like shooting fish in a barrel here with deer so if the hunters don't share or let me know they are here it is one-strike you're out for them. Some landowners get $1000 for a weekend during shotgun season, but I don't charge a dime as I want the deer thinned out.

When I do find a poacher's stand and can't identify the owner, I have a 2 gallon bucket full of a ready made cheap aftershave/water mix with cut up corn stalks that I scatter in the poacher's slug range and on also on their stands.
 
EDD in Ky - if folks would just practice what Tim Farmer's sign off words each week are on KET's Kentucky Afield - "Hunting and fishing on private property is a privilege, always ask and thank the landowner first . . . "
 
First of all nobody owns the deer no matter whos property they are on. { you didn't say that but others below have]. Second call the conservation officer / game warden. You pay taxes so he can confront,armed , law breaking hunters , not you. Very dangeropus job.
 
Rick, take a look at the link I posted. I witnessed these things personally, I sat in a very hostile woods with this element of people breaching the perimeter at will. Its mountainous and was a large tract covering several hundred acres, a nice herd of whitetail and some really nice plots to hunt over, besides the woodland areas which were also really nice.

There is a hidden inference in this article, when he says he was threatened, he was. Having been well trained, one of the first things he did was infiltrate this element of people, such fools, they openly ran their mouths with opinion and open threats as to what to do about the guy that bought the old H....er place, I witnessed it first hand by doing the same thing he did. Those people were good at hit and run, and ambush, I'll give them that, but they had loose lips and is why one of them did get arrested, but then the barn was burned and it just kept getting worse.

They could not accept that this land had a new owner and one that portrayed himself like Mr. Rogers, soft spoken, reserved, quiet, a poor forlorned landowner beset by a bunch of bullies if you will, he came across like that to make you feel complacent and off guard, all of it for a reason. You won't see the other side coming trust me.. its just surprising that none of them got to experience what he could have done, the man lives and breathes for these things too, but apparently took a different stance. I think it was to let the line out and let them take the bait where possible. One did get arrested.

Situation shows the worst of people and its entirely sad. I mention it because at some point there is danger and a person never wants to be in a risky situation over nonsense like this, all of it childish.

Reason I mention this is, there is a very real other side of this that is not just a bunch of exaggeration.

Given that more people live near this place, I have very little problems, where the place mentioned is in the article is very rural and it is like dodge city, so much for the rural life eh ?

I've run into some ornery drunks in the mountains north of here, all with firearms, one of which incited a reaction to take cover and observe their camp, needless to say I do not hunt public lands or way up north any more, no fun when you walk through a group of 12 drunks, with one running his mouth about having your back tag on, ( in the adirondacks I guess you don't need to wear one, so I came across as a city slicker )

A well armed and capable city slicker, I knew what was out there and "dressed accordingly" never again, these people are out there trust me.
 
A friend of mine who doesn't hunt and really
wanted to keep slob hunters out of his woods did
allow one guy who he knew and gave permission to
to hunt. Part of the deal was that the guy was
also to 'police' the property- he was a deputy
sheriff- and he did rather zealously. Jimmy says
he never has any trouble with slob hunters and the
cop hunter is a bow only hunter, so Jimmy never
even knows he's there.
 
didnt really want to get invoved here,but,,,,we have a amall piece of woods,we live over an hr from it,over the years many many people ask to hunt,We gave a good neighbor permission,He looks after our place like a hawk,he calls me if any problems,I Have even called him in the middle of the night for small things so I Didnt have to drive ,He is a good hunter,and watches that no one else hunts,It worked for us,maybe some landownwers can find a responssble hunter like UltraDog,I have read many of his posts,and if he lived next door ,I Wouldnt be afraid to let him hunt.There is bad in all and there is good,just like renting out a house,you can find good tenants,and,,,you can experience bad,,,I have encounterd both over the years,same with people,for years no one wanted to work with one black bricklayer,they put me working with him,he taught me as lot,not just about bricklaying,,,,history,,,culture,,,cooking,,,and patience to name a few,I worked with him until he retired. So Im trying to say there is good and bad in all.Some people drive past your farm and throw trash out the window,some take it to a trash can, my 02 cents(for what its worth)
 
I honestly don't get it. What is it about 'hunters' that make them something better than plain old 'trespassers'? Not only are they on your land illegally, they are shooting high powered rifles near your house with little regard for where their f*ing bullets go! They put your family, pets and livestock at risk and they are usually young, drunk and disrespectful. In my estimation, they are far worse than garden variety trespassers.

When they are on my property, the sheriff gets called automatically.
 

Contact your local conservation officer, it's
their job to enforce trespass laws, as long as you
had it posted legally, at least that's the way it
is in MN. Getting them to do anything is something
else, most really don't want to do their job.
 
You must be a real whimp, if you were not able to communicate better than that. He would not have been smiling for long if you had turned in the piece of trash. Tom
 
Those type of guys only understand one thing, and that's sicking the law on them. Most hunters I know are pretty good people, too, but just like the rest of life, there's always a few jerks to make like difficult.
 
(quoted from post at 14:29:59 11/23/14) JD Seller,
You and I have been down this road before.
You stated your opinion in the original thread and I stated mine.
That seems fair enough.
So why reply to me?
Vapid analogies about cook-outs in my yard do not convince me. They do not advance your argument.
You go out of your way to paint hunters in a very bad light. And you do it with a very broad brush.
If you did that with other groups (think racial or se-ual groups) you would be called out for it.
If you insist upon badmouthing all hunters based upon your experience with a few you will likely get called out for it.
And if you scold me for voicing an opinion that differs from yours then you will likely get an argument.
t's not getting better because of people like you. why would you justify these p.o.s. hard to follow your line of thinking.
 
(quoted from post at 04:17:54 11/23/14) It certainly doesn't hurt that in Minnesota no hunting is allowed on private property without permission.

In Ohio you must have written permission from the landowner.
 

One thing I don't see mentioned here is the role of the conservation officers. One reason, IMHO, for all the hate toward hunters is the lack of enforcement. Calling the DNR just doesn't work. I've hunted and owned property for over 40 years, and I've never seen a conservation cop anywhere but a coffee shop. Guys know that there is zero chance of them getting caught, so there is no reason to follow the rules. The local cops refer all hunting issues to the DNR. The DNR simply wants you to get license plate numbers. Pretty difficult in the middle of nowhere, and possibly dangerous.

I guess the above is a long winded way saying that if there was enforcement, hunting would be more popular with landowners.
 
A few years ago I was having trouble with some deer hunters that were running off those who had permission so on the last Saturday of gun season I got up early and drove to the back corner of the property that was by a rail road and waited, did not take long before a truck came down the road and dropped one person off at a field entrance that had a sign on the corner post and then came on and crossed the RR to park so it could not be seen from my house and walked down the rail bed and into the woods. I then called the GW and told what was going on and where I was at, he showed up in about 20 minuets and asked what I wanted him to do, I told him to book them, he smiled and started down the rail bed and the 2 came up out of the woods as he was watching them. I left at that point and have not had troubles since.
 
(quoted from post at 22:52:24 11/23/14)
(quoted from post at 14:29:59 11/23/14) JD Seller,
You and I have been down this road before.
You stated your opinion in the original thread and I stated mine.
That seems fair enough.
So why reply to me?
Vapid analogies about cook-outs in my yard do not convince me. They do not advance your argument.
You go out of your way to paint hunters in a very bad light. And you do it with a very broad brush.
If you did that with other groups (think racial or se-ual groups) you would be called out for it.
If you insist upon badmouthing all hunters based upon your experience with a few you will likely get called out for it.
And if you scold me for voicing an opinion that differs from yours then you will likely get an argument.
t's not getting better because of people like you. why would you justify these p.o.s. hard to follow your line of thinking.

So what's YOUR solution? Beat 'em up? Shoot 'em?

That's a sure fire way to land yourself in a whole heap of trouble, and ensure that they walk away free and clear with a big piece of what you worked so hard to acquire.

Nobody's saying it's right. He's just saying how it is. They know there's nothing you can legally do to them and they're just going to flaunt it in your face. The more you squawk and flail your arms, the more they're going to push your buttons.

Even if the law does something, it's not going to be more than an unenforceable slap on the wrist. The trespassers know that too.
 
no but stand back and let them do what they want isn't gonna work either.the whining part got me,this guy is picking up a yard of trash,try keeping 300 acres clean of trash from hunters and other nimrod's then maybe it's ok to whine a little now and then.
 

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